CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #51 *ARREST*

[Kapua]

Some of us have said this countless times. But go back to that supposed first solicitation. A friend/lover/family member/coworker, take your choice, solicits you to commit a murder for him because he hates this person, because she abuses his child, because he wants control, because she is in your way of happiness, take your pick, what do you say to that person?

Sweetie, I need to check my calendar. Sure I can do that. Let’s shoot for October and if that doesn’t work I will drive 800 miles again in November. But oh, I cannot get off on Thanksgiving, being a kind loving nurse and all.

All of us would run screaming like a house on fire straight to LE.

This woman is a cold hearted, jealous, in-heat dog. She just keeps trying to help him and even shares this with her friends.
Yes she is capable of murder. She is culpable of a lot of things.

But where did this idea of murder come from? Who had the most to gain? Who hates KB the most? Who had the relationship with her? Who told all the lies about the relationship?

Yes it was PF. The same one who solicited KK in the first place. He is in jail. She got caught trying to cover for him. She is horrible. He is the murderer.

Yes, I remember how aghast we all were when the solicitation charges were filed along with the murder charges! Early on, I think I posted something like "most of these perps work alone". I know my jaw hit the floor. And then to find out that one person was solicited 3 times, and it was a woman, was shocking! I still don't know how these two evil cretins managed to find each other. Ladies, if your long-distance booty call "boyfriend" asks you to kill the mother of his child, the obvious answer is ohHELLno. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Now, there's a thought!

Based on some cursory online research, it looks like some trucking companies hire felons.
KK will likely be pursuing a second career here shortly. Long hauls are clearly her forte.

There are those nifty CB radio thingys in the 18-wheelers, so she won't even have to worry about carrying a murder victim's cell phone with her to send/receive bogus texts.

Also, there are probably plenty of Sonic drive-thrus located right off those major interstate exits, so that'd be an added incentive.

JMO.

She can always get a job in a factory, too. They tend to hire many convicted felons. Imo

 

[Deleted member 102539]

What it sounds like is that PF made allegations and CPS investigated them. In their investigation they speak with people and it's done privately and done so with the knowledge that anyone interviewed will not be named publicly. If they release the documents, there will be names included or enough information as to allow certain parties to figure out who those interviewed were. CPS can't do their job appropriately if people live in fear of being exposed when they give statements.
The interesting thing is what the findings were in that report because included in that report would be what KB was treated for, and I'm certain her mother was truthful in that it was for exhaustion.

PF was bullying KB at least since the birth of little K, it seems. The drama in the delivery room would have gotten on her nervs, I'm sure. Such a nasty on-and-off-fiance, cheating for months at least with one ex, plus a baby zero to one year old, plus a job, plus all the driving to and from, plus the arrangements (maybe with not so willing and understanding carers), plus a move into a new home, plus caring for cattle/dogs/horses/rodeos/stomach pain of adult men/who knows what else, all the while controlled by PF (via phones, cars, money, daughter, friends of him, work collegues of her, etc.) - KB seems to have been verrry strong to have this endured without ending at a Mental Health Facility for several months, IMO. Poor, poor Kelsey. I can't barely believe, what PF did to that pretty, tiny young woman in summing up.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

She would not have been told where the allegations were coming from. CPS will only tell you there are allegations, but not where they came from.

For those that want to read what the motion was referring to as to confidentiality, here is the information on the code.

Colorado Revised Statutes Title 19. Children's Code § 19-1-307 | FindLaw

It appears she could have gotten a copy of the report, and would we assume she would have talked to her mother about it, or not?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

She can always get a job in a factory, too. They tend to hire many convicted felons. Imo

Meat packing.

 

[Mom24]

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For those that want to read what the motion was referring to as to confidentiality, here is the information on the code.

Colorado Revised Statutes Title 19. Children's Code § 19-1-307 | FindLaw

It appears she could have gotten a copy of the report, and would we assume she would have talked to her mother about it, or not?

It would depend on a number of factors. There may not have been much of a report or an investigation done, dependent on the actual initial intake evaluation and allegations. For instance, we had a young mother who had been reported for child neglect by a neighbor (the neighbor actually taunted the mother with having made the DHS call which was how we knew) and the allegation stated that neighbor had heard the baby crying for hours. I was interviewed as was her husband, her and her mother who was staying with them. I believe they also called the pediatrician. Anyhow, the interviews were just a quick courtesy call, the investigation didn't go beyond the few people they spoke to and there was a no finding, which meant no formal report. All they did was call her a day later and tell her there was no finding and wish her well with her newborn. She never received a report because it didn't ever reach that level of being a believable allegation.
This may have been the same so KB may not have received a report, other than to be notified that there was an allegation.

 

[Sanz]

She can always get a job in a factory, too. They tend to hire many convicted felons. Imo

Ive read news articles on the guys who ride around neighborhoods selling Kirby vacuums. Very easy employment opportunity for felons also.

 

[MemPat]

She can always get a job in a factory, too. They tend to hire many convicted felons. Imo

Or she could answer an "experienced only" ad for a cell phone store?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't find the allegations of child abuse against KB surprising. PF was trash talking KB behind the scenes for months it seems like. My sister's little girl at about a year old was sitting on the bed watching her 'momma' do her hair. Nothing doing in the flash of an eye, but she picked it up her curling iron and burnt her little hand good. I was sitting right there and felt terrible. It happened, it was an accident. I can see how something like that would happen innocently. I'm sure PF and MommaF were beyond pissed and I believe that's exactly where this comes from.

I know everyone feels confident that PF will be found guilty, I do ultimately as well. But I have a feeling PF's defense is going to drop a bomb none of us saw coming. They are not sitting idly by waiting for trial just to sit there and say KK did it. I think we are going to be in for another shock and I am hoping DA May has all his bases covered and recovered. This family has experience in LE and have proven, at least to me, that they are willing to go down swinging to protect PF and get custody of baby K. Nothing would surprise me with PF and the F family. Nothing.

 

[PommyMommy]

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It would depend on a number of factors. There may not have been much of a report or an investigation done, dependent on the actual initial intake evaluation and allegations. For instance, we had a young mother who had been reported for child neglect by a neighbor (the neighbor actually taunted the mother with having made the DHS call which was how we knew) and the allegation stated that neighbor had heard the baby crying for hours. I was interviewed as was her husband, her and her mother who was staying with them. I believe they also called the pediatrician. Anyhow, the interviews were just a quick courtesy call, the investigation didn't go beyond the few people they spoke to and there was a no finding, which meant no formal report. All they did was call her a day later and tell her there was no finding and wish her well with her newborn. She never received a report because it didn't ever reach that level of being a believable allegation.
This may have been the same so KB may not have received a report, other than to be notified that there was an allegation.

BBM

It sounds to me like they investigated the complaint thoroughly. From the motion (emphasis mine): "...extensive interviews documenting statements made by the Defendant and witnesses in this case."
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...otion for Disclosure and Protective Order.pdf

And yet, court records show no evidence that DHS pursued any action. Another FAIL, PF.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

For those that want to read what the motion was referring to as to confidentiality, here is the information on the code.

Colorado Revised Statutes Title 19. Children's Code § 19-1-307 | FindLaw

It appears she could have gotten a copy of the report, and would we assume she would have talked to her mother about it, or not?

I think KB would have definitely told her mother CB if she was officially accused of child abuse. Absolutely she would need a mother to talk to IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Ive read news articles on the guys who ride around neighborhoods selling Kirby vacuums. Very easy employment opportunity for felons also.

Hah! Do they even still do that these days?

 

[nwmouse]

She can always get a job in a factory, too. They tend to hire many convicted felons. Imo

She could also try working at the Sonic as a skating carhop.

They hire felons and KK is familiar with their menu.

moo

 

[MsBetsy]

Ive read news articles on the guys who ride around neighborhoods selling Kirby vacuums. Very easy employment opportunity for felons also.

Oh, wow. I had no idea they still did that kind of thing.

 

[MsBetsy]

BBM

It sounds to me like they investigated the complaint thoroughly. From the motion (emphasis mine): "...extensive interviews documenting statements made by the Defendant and witnesses in this case."
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/P-9 People's Notice of Department of Human Services Records in the District Attorney's Possession and Motion for Disclosure and Protective Order.pdf

And yet, court records show no evidence that DHS pursued any action. Another FAIL, PF.

MOO

Right. So basically nothing came out of those interviews.
Meaning they found no reason to open a case. Imo

 

[Love Never Fails]

I'm sorry, and I know this is no laughing matter, but SO and I can't help but appreciate your black humor. Thank you.

Thank you. That’s really sweet of you.

 

[24Brix]

MOO A few of the posts yesterday made me think about PF’s defense strategy. I found this article on an attorney’s site interesting regarding affirmative defense in CO.

https://www.hmichaelsteinberg.com/colorados-affirmative-defenses-criminal-charges-.htm

Thanks, that’s interesting info!

IMO, it also reveals that KK had no viable defense (except maybe insanity?) given it doesn’t appear her “I was afraid of PF” statements withstand legal scrutiny. (But we all knew that already.)

From the link above,

“Duress requires a showing of: (1) an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury; (2) a well founded fear that the threat will be carried out, and (3) the lack of a reasonable opportunity to escape the threatened harm.”

If KK’s deal holds, and I think it will, I still believe there’s an excellent chance of her getting the full three years. If it collapses for any reason, IMO her goose is cooked.

Question for the lawyers here: I presume there must be certain kick-out clauses and limitations in any plea deal. If her deal negotiates a higher crime like “accessory to murder” down to “tampering”, wouldn’t she still potentially be subject to charges outside of that hierarchy without triggering double-jeopardy? Or does her plea deal likely absolve her of any other crime of any type related in any way to PF/KB during a given period of time?

While most of her actions seem like they would fall under “accessory”, I would be shocked if her plea deal took a higher charge of murder off the table. (Too be clear, I would be even more shocked if PF’s defense somehow pulled a rabbit out of a hat, beat the evidence against him, and revealed info that implicated KK as the murderer. That’s not going to happen.)

MOO.

 

[GordianKnot]

She could also try working at the Sonic as a skating carhop.

They hire felons and KK is familiar with their menu.

moo

KK on skates. Thanks for that image!

 

[tmar]

I absolutely think she poisoned the coffee.....otherwise, why did she bring it really? There was no other reason except to poison her. But, the DA can't prove it cause it's gone....so her little lie about her goodness (not being able to poison it...cough!) was released. jmo

Can you imagine this liar on the stand.
How many fibs will she continue to utter, to save he own skin.
She has shown this to be correct in the past, and now that 'prison time' is on the cards, she certainly has a composed list, that she has thought about.
The hatred towards her, will continue, throughout her pathetic life.
MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

For those that want to read what the motion was referring to as to confidentiality, here is the information on the code.

Colorado Revised Statutes Title 19. Children's Code § 19-1-307 | FindLaw

It appears she could have gotten a copy of the report, and would we assume she would have talked to her mother about it, or not?

Not necessarily. For an open case there would have been a document to sign, usually called a Service Plan, which would include the services they intend to provide for the family. But if there is just a report I guess they can ask for a copy. I have never known anyone to do that though. Imo