CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #51 *ARREST*

[Steelslady]

Even if the baby was injured under Kelsey’s care, that doesn’t make her a bad mother, and certainly not abusive.

So either way, I don’t buy it.

Absolutely. I have three kids- they had bumps, bruises, cuts all of the time because they played hard every chance they got. My poor parents were always at the hospital for my sister and I- what one didn't think of or do to herself, the other did. I could go on and on. So even if something happened under Kelsey's care- kids are curious, they're little fireballs of energy sometimes- they're going to get hurt here and there. I was just saying, it probably happened under his care, people might have questioned him, he might have been miffed at explaining or trying to cover up that she bumped her head on the coffee table, thinking others would think he was a bad father, so he tried to blame Kelsey. He seems to love to blame and bring down the women in his life. He has no problem scheming and lying.

 

[MemPat]

Absolutely. I have three kids- they had bumps, bruises, cuts all of the time because they played hard every chance they got. My poor parents were always at the hospital for my sister and I- what one didn't think of or do to herself, the other did. I could go on and on. So even if something happened under Kelsey's care- kids are curious, they're little fireballs of energy sometimes- they're going to get hurt here and there. I was just saying, it probably happened under his care, people might have questioned him, he might have been miffed at explaining or trying to cover up that she bumped her head on the coffee table, thinking others would think he was a bad father, so he tried to blame Kelsey. He seems to love to blame and bring down the women in his life. He has no problem scheming and lying.

And remember that we're talking about a guy who can bash a woman in the head with a bat and burn her.

Why should we think he wouldn't injure the baby on purpose as part of his plan to ruin Kelsey? MOO

 

[MassGuy]

And remember that we're talking about a guy who can bash a woman in the head with a bat and burn her.

Why should we think he wouldn't injure the baby on purpose as part of his plan to ruin Kelsey? MOO

I wouldn’t put this past him. He’s nothing if not diabolical.

 

[ab01]

Also I know some are questioning the validity of the abuse allegations at the hospital.

Imo I have seen no reason to indicate that CB for any reason would not be being truthful to the best of her knowledge.

How far this incident was pursued is anyone’s guess at this point imo.

I think like MG and others have indicated, we all know what PF is capable of.

I see no reason to doubt the things that CB has told LE, as she is very much a victim in this case.

MOEO

Edited: to clarify

 

[MsBetsy]

Also I know some are questioning the validity of the abuse allegations at the hospital.

Imo I have seen no reason to indicate that CB for any reason would not be being truthful to the best of her knowledge.

How far these allegations were pursued is anyone’s guess at this point imo.

I think like MG and others have indicated, we all know what PF is capable of.

I see no reason to doubt the things that CB has told LE, as she is very much a victim in this case.

MOEO

Well, I'm sure there would be documentation by both the hospital and Social Services, so I would think it would not be hard to prove. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

Well, I'm sure there would be documentation by both the hospital and Social Services, so I would think it would not be hard to prove. Imo

Definitely. At this point though, all we have is CB’s account of the event.

It’s good enough for me, but there will certainly be more than her word when it comes to trial.

There will be a paper trail.

 

[ab01]

Well, I'm sure there would be documentation by both the hospital and Social Services, so I would think it would not be hard to prove. Imo

Absolutely

There will be some form of documentation, we just don’t know how far up the chain it went. My guess is KB told nurses/ social services PF was not abusive, but that’s obviously just my speculation.

 

[Hatch]

Well, I'm sure there would be documentation by both the hospital and Social Services, so I would think it would not be hard to prove. Imo

I definitely think that event happened at the
hospital and CB said he refered to it again at baby K's first birthday, I have a feelings he was telling the story again with macho pride, his chest puffed out like he was bad a--!
EBM clarification

 

[kkdj]

Absolutely. I have three kids- they had bumps, bruises, cuts all of the time because they played hard every chance they got. My poor parents were always at the hospital for my sister and I- what one didn't think of or do to herself, the other did. I could go on and on. So even if something happened under Kelsey's care- kids are curious, they're little fireballs of energy sometimes- they're going to get hurt here and there. I was just saying, it probably happened under his care, people might have questioned him, he might have been miffed at explaining or trying to cover up that she bumped her head on the coffee table, thinking others would think he was a bad father, so he tried to blame Kelsey. He seems to love to blame and bring down the women in his life. He has no problem scheming and lying.

I wonder if the baby was hurt while in his mother's care and he used the incident(s) to say it was Kelsey abusing her.

 

[MsJosie]

I check here frequently each day....hoping KB has been found. Tomorrow is another day, maybe that is the day.

 

[jnblsm]

I check here frequently each day....hoping KB has been found. Tomorrow is another day, maybe that is the day.

Me, too.

 

[NanZDrew]

I wonder if the baby was hurt while in his mother's care and he used the incident(s) to say it was Kelsey abusing her.

Definitely a strong possibility. It was sometime about the time that KB was getting treated for depression, so he may have felt that was a good time for him to strike.

 

[NanZDrew]

Today, on g-mail, I got an e-mail from Google summarizing my February timeline. I checked it out and was freaked out. Google can track you by having your phone in your presence. For example, one day I took my mother out to eat and then went to the mall. It tracked the miles from my home to the restaurant, how long I was in the restaurant, and then it pinpointed the exact store that I was in at the mall. I was shocked. It goes back years. If you have a computer and are logged in to Google, then you can go to the link and look at a map, day by day of where you have been. It even records when you are stopped and when you are moving. I live in a "dead zone." My cell phone won't work here, yet Google still could track me through dead zones. I have a feeling LE knows every move made by KB and PF for a very long time without even having to go through Google's corporate. If they go through Google, they can get it for anyone. Log in to your Google account and then follow this link. You will be amazed. google.com/maps/timeline

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Today, on g-mail, I got an e-mail from Google summarizing my February timeline. I checked it out and was freaked out. Google can track you by having your phone in your presence. For example, one day I took my mother out to eat and then went to the mall. It tracked the miles from my home to the restaurant, how long I was in the restaurant, and then it pinpointed the exact store that I was in at the mall. I was shocked. It goes back years. If you have a computer and are logged in to Google, then you can go to the link and look at a map, day by day of where you have been. It even records when you are stopped and when you are moving. I live in a "dead zone." My cell phone won't work here, yet Google still could track me through dead zones. I have a feeling LE knows every move made by KB and PF for a very long time without even having to go through Google's corporate. If they go through Google, they can get it for anyone. Log in to your Google account and then follow this link. You will be amazed. google.com/maps/timeline

I followed your link, thanks!
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So did KKL the days around TG, when her location was deleted?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I definitely think that event happened at the
hospital and CB said he refered to it again at baby K's first birthday, I have a feelings he was telling the story again with macho pride, his chest puffed out like he was bad a--!
EBM clarification

He even told "jokingly" about the incident - I remember.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Today, on g-mail, I got an e-mail from Google summarizing my February timeline. I checked it out and was freaked out. Google can track you by having your phone in your presence. For example, one day I took my mother out to eat and then went to the mall. It tracked the miles from my home to the restaurant, how long I was in the restaurant, and then it pinpointed the exact store that I was in at the mall. I was shocked. It goes back years. If you have a computer and are logged in to Google, then you can go to the link and look at a map, day by day of where you have been. It even records when you are stopped and when you are moving. I live in a "dead zone." My cell phone won't work here, yet Google still could track me through dead zones. I have a feeling LE knows every move made by KB and PF for a very long time without even having to go through Google's corporate. If they go through Google, they can get it for anyone. Log in to your Google account and then follow this link. You will be amazed. google.com/maps/timeline

Wow, did not know that....very interesting!

 

[The Farm]

Even if the baby was injured under Kelsey’s care, that doesn’t make her a bad mother, and certainly not abusive.

So either way, I don’t buy it.

What are you saying? If the baby was injured under KB's care that is ok and it exonerates her? No one on this thread has any idea on what kind of a mother she was in all actuality.
Before I put the blame on any person I would like to see facts and not put blame where it might not be fact.
Where is the proof that all this supposed abuse happened under PF's care?

 

[ab01]

What are you saying? If the baby was injured under KB's care that is ok and it exonerates her? No one on this thread has any idea on what kind of a mother she was in all actuality.
Before I put the blame on any person I would like to see facts and not put blame where it might not be fact.
Where is the proof that all this supposed abuse happened under PF's care?

We don’t know what actually happened or what the lives of pf and kB were like.

Until we know the facts I tend to believe a victim over the person who presumably smashed kB brains in with a baseball bat.

I could very well entertain the idea of pf being abusive based on what little significance of any human beings right to live that pf seems to have.

I have seen zero evidence that suggests kB was abusive and I believe that even KK later stated that she now doesn’t believe that kB was abusing baby k.

PF is a sick twisted, self serving monster, nothing would surprise me of what he has done.

kB is a victim bc she is a victim

 

[MassGuy]

What are you saying? If the baby was injured under KB's care that is ok and it exonerates her? No one on this thread has any idea on what kind of a mother she was in all actuality.
Before I put the blame on any person I would like to see facts and not put blame where it might not be fact.
Where is the proof that all this supposed abuse happened under PF's care?

I’m saying that regardless of when and where the injuries happened (if they even happened), PF would have taken full advantage of the situation.

He bashed a mother’s face in with a baseball bat, there are bigger concerns than “exonerating” anyone for potential child abuse.

It’s far easier to believe that he is lying, than believe he is telling the truth.

If given an innocent explanation or a more nefarious alternative, I go the way of the latter here.

Something being probable is not proof, but I know where my money is.

And it ain’t on this cowboy.

 

[LittleBitty]

Been gone for a few weeks (hello fellow crime solvers) been following the threads as much as I can and following any news reports:
Have they reported back on any DNA from the tooth/teeth mentioned in the SW? I feel like I’m fairly caught up again but I couldn’t find that anywhere. TIA.