CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[PrairieWind]

I fully expect this to go absolutely nowhere, although I’m happy that it’s in the news.

She’s not going to face further charges because of this, and a petition isn’t going to have any impact here.

We’d all love for her to pay, but it ain’t gonna happen.

Atleast people are talking about her, and not in a good way.

The defense will certainly bring up this petition at pretrial and during jury selection.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I fully expect this to go absolutely nowhere, although I’m happy that it’s in the news.

She’s not going to face further charges because of this, and a petition isn’t going to have any impact here.

We’d all love for her to pay, but it ain’t gonna happen.

Atleast people are talking about her, and not in a good way.

Me either. At the very least it shows KB's family how much support there actually. Yes.

 

[NoeticSoul]

@PrairieWind what exactly is the 'Law of Parties' and does Colorado have it? tia for your time

 

[ilovechili]

KK will pay. Unless she turns her hair brown or purple, gets a nose job, etc., there are so many people (take a look on this site and elsewhere) so outraged that if they see her doing one thing wrong for many years to come, they will be looking for it and reporting it. She will have to live the life of a nun or move to another country at minimum and add to that that nowadays people talk to people in other countries daily, good luck with that. In some cases, people forget or move on, a new outrageous crime occurs, but I do not think she, being a mother and a woman, and the fact she could have stopped this and came forward AT MINIMUM, is going to be forgotten by many. Maybe she will manage to hide and not have that, but she will still be having to live the life of someone hiding which is not her cup of tea (i flick my hair as I say this)...

Mention OJ and what would be most people's first thought? Mention Casey Anthony, what comes to mind first? I mention a famous one and a non-famous one (until she did what she did). The same is going to be true for mention KK even not by name but by initials...

Karla. Krystal. There is a KK as well.

jmo.

 

[susiQ]

KK will pay. Unless she turns her hair brown or purple, gets a nose job, etc., there are so many people (take a look on this site and elsewhere) so outraged that if they see her doing one thing wrong for many years to come, they will be looking for it and reporting it. She will have to live the life of a nun or move to another country at minimum and add to that that nowadays people talk to people in other countries daily, good luck with that. In some cases, people forget or move on, a new outrageous crime occurs, but I do not think she, being a mother and a woman, and the fact she could have stopped this and came forward AT MINIMUM, is going to be forgotten by many. Maybe she will manage to hide and not have that, but she will still be having to live the life of someone hiding which is not her cup of tea (i flick my hair as I say this)...

Mention OJ and what would be most people's first thought? Mention Casey Anthony, what comes to mind first? I mention a famous one and a non-famous one (until she did what she did). The same is going to be true for mention KK even not by name but by initials...

Karla. Krystal. There is a KK as well.

jmo.

Flicking your hair Too funny!
Although KK's level of involvement in the murder didn't reach the heights of Karla Holmolka (as far as we know), KK's infamy surely will. JMO

 

[Leader6518]

If PF took a shower did KK think to toss the soap?
If he flushed the commode did she think to clean the handle? If he opened the fridge did she think to clean the outside of the milk for instance ? Dig deep think of things that needed to be cleaned that might not have been.

Personally, I don’t think PF showered at KB’s condo. He may have used the baby wipes on himself and changed clothes. In one of the later search warrants it states that KK used the bathtub in the cleanup. I think that is how the blood spots wound up on the ceiling and other places. As she was washing out the mop and rags she slung the watery blood everywhere . All just my opinion.

 

[steeltowngirl]

The defense will certainly bring up this petition at pretrial and during jury selection.

Would the prosecution also consider it during jury selection?

 

[PrairieWind]

@PrairieWind what exactly is the 'Law of Parties' and does Colorado have it? tia for your time

The Law of Parties is a concept where you can be held responsible for crimes committed by another if you were part of a conspiracy to commit any crime. For example you and a friend decide to rob a store. You are the look out at the door and your partner goes in to rob it. He ends up shooting the clerk and kills him. You yourself can be found guilty of murder, even though you didn't pull the trigger or even contemplate any violence being committed. Colorado does not have that law specifically, but has other laws that sort of do the same thing. Conspiracy to ....., etc. Typically, under conspiracy or law of parties, capital punishment is not available unless you are the one that actually committed the murder.

 

[PrairieWind]

Would the prosecution also consider it during jury selection?

They could I suppose. It is a little difficult to figure who all would be signing the petition. I would suspect that anyone that is aware of the petition or has read it, let alone signed it, would be subject to challenge as a juror.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Well, it was RS that said the authorities needed to look into KB's ex bf (can't remember the name he gave at the moment) who was a Southwest pilot (yeah right). Same BS story someone else is spinning in the JAK disappearance. That guy has his father's support too. RS is PF's father figure according to his own admission. Anyhow, I'm giving RS the benefit of the doubt that he's just too stupid to see the truth and remind myself not to be too hard on him because he isn't reading all the very informative posts on WS And, I haven't forgotten that I gave KK and SF the benefit of the doubt until the AA was released and SF pleaded the fifth. I'll leave it at that. I may yet eat crow on this one!

The name that was mentioned by that guy, E***, was stated in one of the search warrants that it was an old boyfriend of hers.

 

[NoeticSoul]

The Law of Parties is a concept where you can be held responsible for crimes committed by another if you were part of a conspiracy to commit any crime. For example you and a friend decide to rob a store. You are the look out at the door and your partner goes in to rob it. He ends up shooting the clerk and kills him. You yourself can be found guilty of murder, even though you didn't pull the trigger or even contemplate any violence being committed. Colorado does not have that law specifically, but has other laws that sort of do the same thing. Conspiracy to ....., etc. Typically, under conspiracy or law of parties, capital punishment is not available unless you are the one that actually committed the murder.

@PrairieWind Thank you so much!

 

[susiQ]

The name that was mentioned by that guy, E***, was stated in one of the search warrants that it was an old boyfriend of hers.

Thanks for the reminder!

 

[ilovechili]

You aren’t giving LE or the DA much credit. IMO, they have a lot of evidence that we do not know about, nor should we. They should save it for trial. We only have tidbits. I believe her statements only verified the evidence they already had in hand.

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. CBI was in the condo right before the Berreths found blood and that was not the first time the condo had been looked at. I can just imagine what a defense will do with that...

I am not anti LE whatsoever (am very much the opposite in fact) and maybe they have more than we know but I am not so naive as to think LE all over our nation and the world are not just human. More than once various LE agencies missed things when in this condo.

Yes, her statements verified all right. What physical evidence did her statements provide for the deal she received though? A body? Remains? Even a tooth? A sweater? A candle? Anything? A burner phone? Her phone? If so, I missed something...

I believe the above is pretty much fact. No offense intended to LE nor you nor anyone else.

I am still undecided in this case and nothing is going to change that.

Two evil co-conspirators is where I stand.

Who probably laughed together when LE found no crime scene at the condo. Repeatedly.

That is my opinion today anyhow.

jmo/omo.

 

[MassGuy]

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. CBI was in the condo right before the Berreths found blood and that was not the first time the condo had been looked at. I can just imagine what a defense will do with that...

I am not anti LE whatsoever (am very much the opposite in fact) and maybe they have more than we know but I am not so naive as to think LE all over our nation and the world are not just human. More than once various LE agencies missed things when in this condo.

Yes, her statements verified all right. What physical evidence did her statements provide for the deal she received though? A body? Remains? Even a tooth? A sweater? A candle? Anything? A burner phone? Her phone? If so, I missed something...

I believe the above is pretty much fact. No offense intended to LE nor you nor anyone else.

I am still undecided in this case and nothing is going to change that.

Two evil co-conspirators is where I stand.

Who probably laughed toghether when LE found no crime scene at the condo.

That is my opinion today anyhow.

jmo/omo.

I’m bothered by the fact that it took a phone call from CB, to cause LE to view the house as a crime scene.

Even then, they didn’t find blood evidence in the living room area.

It took KK’s cooperation for that.

That blood evidence, especially the blood under the floorboards and splatter on the fireplace, will prove huge.

The physical evidence found at the barn (discolored hay), and the area on PF’s property where the burn site was located, will also help the prosecution (also thanks to her).

Nope, she wasn’t able to provide law enforcement with the physical evidence you mentioned, but she gave them enough to corroborate her account.

That’s only part of the case too.

 

[MemPat]

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. CBI was in the condo right before the Berreths found blood and that was not the first time the condo had been looked at. I can just imagine what a defense will do with that...

I am not anti LE whatsoever (am very much the opposite in fact) and maybe they have more than we know but I am not so naive as to think LE all over our nation and the world are not just human. More than once various LE agencies missed things when in this condo.

Yes, her statements verified all right. What physical evidence did her statements provide for the deal she received though? A body? Remains? Even a tooth? A sweater? A candle? Anything? A burner phone? Her phone? If so, I missed something...

I believe the above is pretty much fact. No offense intended to LE nor you nor anyone else.

I am still undecided in this case and nothing is going to change that.

Two evil co-conspirators is where I stand.

Who probably laughed together when LE found no crime scene at the condo. Repeatedly.

That is my opinion today anyhow.

jmo/omo.

Just choosing one here - There was a crime scene found under the wood floor of the condo, enough blood that PF sits in the pokey awaiting trial. Yes, they are co-conspirators but who's laughing now?

 

[girlhasnoname]

RS is certainly an odd character, but at this point I'm inclined to believe he's been totally duped by PF as have some others and will go "down with the ship", so to speak. I don't think he's involved other than being hoodwinked by PF. CC was duped too, but I actually think he will come around to see the truth once all the evidence is exposed. I think he will feel foolish once all is said and done. JMT.

And CC will have to eat his Crow Pie don't forget.

 

[?mysterian?]

LE did not start this case off very well, IMO. I hope they've rectified things and the DA will present an airtight case against PF if and when the trial date arrives.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I fully expect this to go absolutely nowhere, although I’m happy that it’s in the news.

She’s not going to face further charges because of this, and a petition isn’t going to have any impact here.

We’d all love for her to pay, but it ain’t gonna happen.

Atleast people are talking about her, and not in a good way.

The very fact the internet and message boards are talking negatively about former rodeo queen KK, tickles me to no end.

When you think about her merry band of cronies aka friends, that each had some knowledge of what was transpiring and kept silent while this innocent young mother was being stalked and conspired against for murder, makes me rage I'll be honest. KK is a young mother herself. She had absolutely zero concern or care for baby K or KB.

I want every negative article, petition, chubby picture or whatever else can be shared across the internet to drive this vain, cold, vapid, calculating 'has been' off the rails.

 

[GordianKnot]

The very fact the internet and message boards are talking negatively about former rodeo queen KK, tickles me to no end.

When you think about her merry band of cronies aka friends, that each had some knowledge of what was transpiring and kept silent while this innocent young mother was being stalked and conspired against for murder, makes me rage I'll be honest. KK is a young mother herself. She had absolutely zero concern or care for baby K or KB.

I want every negative article, petition, chubby picture or whatever else can be shared across the internet to drive this vain, cold, vapid, calculating 'has been' off the rails.

BBM:

Well, if it will make you feel any better, I'll be happy to leave my current avatar up for a while here.

JMO.

 

[Colorado303]

I really doubt there is any way to MAKE PF cooperative. He's an island unto himself I also doubt a sick, paranoid, angry man cares much about anyone especially the sibling he's estranged from. He might care about his momma, but I'm not convinced of that either. Maybe some of that "anger" is directed at her. JMO

He has absolutely no reason to talk or cooperate. Death penalty isn’t a real possibility and if he confesses unlikely DA will give him anything but LWOP. If he stays completely silent, his legal team may still have the grasping-at-straws “KK did it and is lying” defense. That could only work if LE doesn’t have evidence we’re unaware of that proves PF’s direct involvement. Hopefully they do and it’s a moot point.

If they don’t, unlike most here I’m not completely confident a juror or two won’t find reasonable doubt. Casey and OJ both got off and they didn’t have a KK to muddy the waters.