CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #53 *ARREST*

[Tippy Lynn]

I agree with you.

I don't believe PF is innocent. I wish the prosecutor luck in proving his guilt. I do believe the Prosecutor is going to have a very difficult time getting a conviction because the defense will sow considerable reasonable doubt because of KK's own words, actions and lies to the FBI.

What kind of human being would know about a planned murder of a young mother and do nothing to warn her or authorities? What kind of human being would listen to accusations of child abuse of a baby--and evidently believe it must be true--yet not pick up the phone and call Colorado LE in order to protect the child?
The jury will know KK returned to Idaho with her friend's gun missing a bullet and sent fraudulent interstate text messages using KB's phone. Where's the scented candle? The ball bat? The tooth? Kelsey? There is no way all 12 jurors will find KK credible.

Will the cell phone evidence be enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that KB is dead and PF is responsible for her murder? I doubt it.

JMO

Unless, something really wild comes out during trial, which I think is unlikely. I think the blood evidence and cell phone evidence will be enough to prove PF killed KB's.

jmo

 

[Love Never Fails]

I agree with you.

I don't believe PF is innocent. I wish the prosecutor luck in proving his guilt. I do believe the Prosecutor is going to have a very difficult time getting a conviction because the defense will sow considerable reasonable doubt because of KK's own words, actions and lies to the FBI.

What kind of human being would know about a planned murder of a young mother and do nothing to warn her or authorities? What kind of human being would listen to accusations of child abuse of a baby--and evidently believe it must be true--yet not pick up the phone and call Colorado LE in order to protect the child?
The jury will know KK returned to Idaho with her friend's gun missing a bullet and sent fraudulent interstate text messages using KB's phone. Where's the scented candle? The ball bat? The tooth? Kelsey? There is no way all 12 jurors will find KK credible.

Will the cell phone evidence be enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that KB is dead and PF is responsible for her murder? I doubt it.

JMO

Thank you just isn’t enough for your common sense, middle of the road, reply. I know you are responding to I love chili, but I really appreciate your post.

 

[ab01]

I agree with you.

I don't believe PF is innocent. I wish the prosecutor luck in proving his guilt. I do believe the Prosecutor is going to have a very difficult time getting a conviction because the defense will sow considerable reasonable doubt because of KK's own words, actions and lies to the FBI.

What kind of human being would know about a planned murder of a young mother and do nothing to warn her or authorities? What kind of human being would listen to accusations of child abuse of a baby--and evidently believe it must be true--yet not pick up the phone and call Colorado LE in order to protect the child?
The jury will know KK returned to Idaho with her friend's gun missing a bullet and sent fraudulent interstate text messages using KB's phone. Where's the scented candle? The ball bat? The tooth? Kelsey? There is no way all 12 jurors will find KK credible.

Will the cell phone evidence be enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that KB is dead and PF is responsible for her murder? I doubt it.

JMO

I’m not sure it’s very common for someone to admit involvement with the coverup of a murder during first contact. It’s pretty common for anyone to try to distance themselves at least at first.

Much of kk story to investigators has been backed up by them finding evidence and much of that evidence ties in to pf and his properties.

Answer to your next question what kind of person would do what kk did?

A very self absorbed one who only cares about her own self. And has no compassion for other human beings.

The jury doesn’t have to like kk to convict pf.

They just have to follow the evidence that points to pf

Jmo

 

[mtnlites]

I’m not sure it’s very common for someone to admit involvement with the coverup of a murder during first contact. It’s pretty common for anyone to try to distance themselves at least at first.

Much of kk story to investigators has been backed up by them finding evidence and much of that evidence ties in to pf and his properties.

Answer to your next question what kind of person would do what kk did?

A very self absorbed one who only cares about her own self. And has no compassion for other human beings.

The jury doesn’t have to like kk to convict pf.

They just have to follow the evidence that points to pf

Jmo

Agree. I think people are correlating "liking" KK with "believing" her. I'm not fond of her, but I do believe the majority of what she's said. And I don't believe I'm wearing blinders about it.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I’m not sure it’s very common for someone to admit involvement with the coverup of a murder during first contact. It’s pretty common for anyone to try to distance themselves at least at first.

Much of kk story to investigators has been backed up by them finding evidence and much of that evidence ties in to pf and his properties.

Answer to your next question what kind of person would do what kk did?

A very self absorbed one who only cares about her own self. And has no compassion for other human beings.

The jury doesn’t have to like kk to convict pf.

They just have to follow the evidence that points to pf

Jmo

She didn’t admit anything during her first contact with authorities. She lied.

She not only distanced herself but she went partying in Vegas with friends to celebrate cleaning up the messy crime scene.

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I am quite sure the jury isn’t going to like her. About that we can agree.

 

[ab01]

Right.

<modsnip>

Nobody likes KK here.
Nobody here is interested in defending KK's actions, or inactions, r/t KB's murder.
Everybody here thinks KK is a terrible, awful, vile, hideous, despicable creature.

KK ain't winning any popularity contests on this here thread. Period.

Having said that, PF murdered KB.

Repeating for emphasis:

PF murdered KB.
Violently and gruesomely.
With a baseball bat.

PF is going on trial for the murder of KB.
Not KK.
Because PF is the one who swung the bat.
At KB's head.

To the extent that the focus of blame is shifted onto KK (the non-wielder of the bat),
it's not only unproductive in terms of helping to achieve a successful conviction in PF's case:
Frankly, it's counter-productive.

PF needs to be held fully accountable for this brutal murder.
He's all too used to having the women in his life take responsibility for him.
This is what he does. Get women to take responsibility.
Others may fall for it.
I ain't gonna'.

Continuing to make KK the focus of blame harms the prosecution's efforts to hold PF to account.
I'm not interested in helping the defense by trying to concoct scenarios where KK is the guilty party.

PF is the one going on trial.
KK is the one who made a deal.

Them's just the facts.

JMO.

Love your posts
I always appreciate the way you list facts.

There’s always a lot of speculation in these cases it’s always good to be reminded of what is known.

 

[GordianKnot]

I agree with you.

Will the cell phone evidence be enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that KB is dead and PF is responsible for her murder? I doubt it.

JMO

RSABBM:

I must have missed DA May's announcement that he plans to rely solely on the cell phone evidence to prove his case at trial.

Boy, if that's true, this is going to be a really short trial!
If that's true, I'm more than a little confused about all the SWs that were executed, and the mountain of evidence that LE wasted their time collecting that has nothing to do with cell phones.

I can't imagine the DA intends to throw out all the electronic evidence.
And the blood, DNA, and other forensic evidence.
And all the physical evidence.

In DA May's words, there is "voluminous evidence" in this case.
And he wasn't just talking about KK when he said that, either.

JMO.

 

[ilovechili]

I agree with you.

I don't believe PF is innocent. I wish the prosecutor luck in proving his guilt. I do believe the Prosecutor is going to have a very difficult time getting a conviction because the defense will sow considerable reasonable doubt because of KK's own words, actions and lies to the FBI.

What kind of human being would know about a planned murder of a young mother and do nothing to warn her or authorities? What kind of human being would listen to accusations of child abuse of a baby--and evidently believe it must be true--yet not pick up the phone and call Colorado LE in order to protect the child?
The jury will know KK returned to Idaho with her friend's gun missing a bullet and sent fraudulent interstate text messages using KB's phone. Where's the scented candle? The ball bat? The tooth? Kelsey? There is no way all 12 jurors will find KK credible.

Will the cell phone evidence be enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that KB is dead and PF is responsible for her murder? I doubt it.

JMO

Very well said. Facts. You cite things that I think of like play dates, guns, there is so very much. She knows this in detail but not where she "is".

I have no problem with differing opinions and respect for all who show the same. I believe he is guilty, I have never even thought otherwise, I believe they both are totally guilty of enough things they should throw away the key and both should be in cells, but they have their hands full with that thing called KK as a witness. Who would not have a field day with her on the stand as a defense attorney?

And I believe the prosecutor is more than aware of that.

If it were not that KB was stuck in this nutcase bunch or at least of two, I would welcome watching KK on the stand because it would be entertainment no doubt. However, there is a baby here without a mom, parents here without their daughter, and a young mother dead.

I hope he is convicted despite the liability of her.

Jmo.

 

[ab01]

She didn’t admit anything during her first contact with authorities. She lied.

She not only distanced herself but she went partying in Vegas with friends to celebrate cleaning up the messy crime scene.

<modsnip: rumor>

I am quite sure the jury isn’t going to like her. About that we can agree.

I’m not sure I said she admitted anything?
Not sure where that came from.

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The rest I agree with

 

[Love Never Fails]

I’m not sure I said she admitted anything?
Not sure where that came from.

<modsnip>

The rest I agree with

Go back and read your very first sentence. She didn’t admit involvement of a cover up at first. No, she did not.

<modsnip>

We might agree KK and PF are dumb but they both thought they were actually pretty slick.

 

[ab01]

Yep TBD how slick they actually were. I think Mr May might have some final say in that.

PF is a user and abuser and soon to be convicted murderer. kk is a self absorbed uncaring person, two worlds colliding.

Although I still believe kB would be dead even had kk refused to even listen to his crazy plans

Jmo

 

[MyBelle]

Unless, something really wild comes out during trial, which I think is unlikely. I think the blood evidence and cell phone evidence will be enough to prove PF killed KB's.

jmo

What is the blood evidence? There is no evidence placing PF at the scene at the time the blood was being spattered because there is no time of death. There is no spatter to forensically analyze because KK cleaned it all up. Just because KK said PF used a bat doesn't prove it so because she disposed of the bat. 'Round and round it will go.

JMO

 

[ilovechili]

Go back and read your very first sentence. She didn’t admit involvement of a cover up at first. No, she did not.

<modsnip>

We might agree KK and PF are dumb but they both thought they were actually pretty slick.

She lied to both LE and the FBI(!) and was put in a corner. Only then did she say anything and only then after lawyering up and many negotiations and some amount of time the way I recall it

Like it or not, this will not play well to a jury. I sure hope they have more than her and way and above all or most of the answers. Because PF never should be free. If she has to be free with a deal is one thing, I think what some miss is the worry that she will wreck the case against PF with her story.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

What is the blood evidence? There is no evidence placing PF at the scene at the time the blood was being spattered because there is no time of death. There is no spatter to forensically analyze because KK cleaned it all up. Just because KK said PF used a bat doesn't prove it so because she disposed of the bat. 'Round and round it will go.

JMO

Well.....I guess we'll just have to wait for the trial to see how the cookies crumble.
jmo

 

[MyBelle]

Well.....I guess we'll just have to wait for the trial to see how the cookies crumble.
jmo

We'll know soon how he will plea. I can't imagine the agony the Berreth family is enduring.

 

[MemPat]

Once you get past the fact that PF could have just poisoned KB's food on Thanksgiving instead of messily bashing her head with a bat in her home and leading people to believe she ran off and killed herself, you can't really expect that anything was well thought out by this pair.

You just have to accept that LE has established that parts of KK's story line up with the physical evidence enough to keep him in jail until trial.

They also had to have enough evidence independent of KK's words to convince her and her attorney to plead.

It's hard for me to understand anyone questioning how this is going to turn out.

KK's life is going to be terrible with no hope of

Oops! Left off the word...."redemption".

 

[ab01]

What is the blood evidence? There is no evidence placing PF at the scene at the time the blood was being spattered because there is no time of death. There is no spatter to forensically analyze because KK cleaned it all up. Just because KK said PF used a bat doesn't prove it so because she disposed of the bat. 'Round and round it will go.

JMO

I just can't wrap my head around why any prosecutor would decide to proceed with a he said she said prosecution with no body and absolutely zero direct evidence?

If he did he won't be a prosecutor for very much longer IMO

I think its almost certain they have more evidence than has been shared with the public, As is the case in almost every murder trial that I have ever followed

JMO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

We'll know soon how he will plea. I can't imagine the agony the Berreth family is enduring.

It won't be long now. I can't imagine what they are going through either and I'm afraid the trial isn't going to make it any easier for them.
jmo

 

[MemPat]

Right.

<modsnip>

Nobody likes KK here.
Nobody here is interested in defending KK's actions, or inactions, r/t KB's murder.
Everybody here thinks KK is a terrible, awful, vile, hideous, despicable creature.

KK ain't winning any popularity contests on this here thread. Period.

Having said that, PF murdered KB.

Repeating for emphasis:

PF murdered KB.
Violently and gruesomely.
With a baseball bat.

PF is going on trial for the murder of KB.
Not KK.
Because PF is the one who swung the bat.
At KB's head.

To the extent that the focus of blame is shifted onto KK (the non-wielder of the bat),
it's not only unproductive in terms of helping to achieve a successful conviction in PF's case:
Frankly, it's counter-productive.

PF needs to be held fully accountable for this brutal murder.
He's all too used to having the women in his life take responsibility for him.
This is what he does. Get women to take responsibility.
Others may fall for it.
I ain't gonna'.

Continuing to make KK the focus of blame harms the prosecution's efforts to hold PF to account.
I'm not interested in helping the defense by trying to concoct scenarios where KK is the guilty party.

PF is the one going on trial.
KK is the one who made a deal.

Them's just the facts.

JMO.

Yes, them are.

 

[ab01]

She lied to both LE and the FBI(!) and was put in a corner. Only then did she say anything and only then after lawyering up and many negotiations and some amount of time the way I recall it

Like it or not, this will not play well to a jury. I sure hope they have more than her and way and above all or most of the answers. Because PF never should be free. If she has to be free with a deal is one thing, I think what some miss is the worry that she will wreck the case against PF with her story.

Her "story" will align with the facts as presented by the prosecution IMO

It will absolutely not be a shoot from the hip story time at trial. If there were things that did not align with the facts that were discovered you can rest assured that they will be before trial. She will also be well prepared to answer any questions that the defense may throw at her.

Prosecutors won't just call KK and say hey tomorrow is the day can't wait to hear you tell your story on the stand.....