CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #53 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

Some thoughts after this morning's activity:

- IIRC, death row is particularly nasty - not quite solitary confinement with the worst of the worst and limited activity to roam around. If so, until such time as the death penalty is actually legally gone, bad people can be convicted of it - and kept on death row. That might be May's real negotiating edge here - does PF want to spend years on death row or years mixing with other inmates?

- I hope KB left a will. I can't see why her parents would be in a hurry to execute any will she might have left, but if (please, no!) she left a will leaving anything to PF or Baby K directly, I assume PF and SF would want to get at it.

- Grrrr, that defense attorney! Doesn't want PF photographed on a public street entering the courthouse? Seriously? I hope ordinary citizens turn up in big numbers with their cellphones at the ready if the judge grants a crazy request like this. If he doesn't want his face exposed on a public street, he can put a blanket over his head - it's been done before.

Might I suggest a pink blanket to accompany his "bracelets" to cover that ugly mug of his? I'm also considering sending him a little gift for his court appearances. A lovely pink tie to compliment the rest of his attire And, I'll leave it at that!

 

[Hatch]

If this case goes to trial within 6 months of that October trial date, I’ll eat my hat.

I think there will be several delays here.

So now you say you wear a hat and no chaps? I agree I think we are in for at least another 18 months .

 

[Hatch]

Yeah, I can’t find precedent for that.

I’ve run out of things of PF’s to bet, but I’m positive that May doesn’t go for the death penalty.

A conviction #1 LWOP I can live with.

 

[Hatch]

Look, between you eating your hat and betting every pair of chaps you own, I'm starting to get a little concerned that you're going to end up getting arrested for public indecency if you keep wagering away your wardrobe like this.

JMO.

Yep

 

[MassGuy]

A conviction #1 LWOP I can live with.

Me too. And I have full confidence that will be the result.

 

[Hatch]

Would have been nice for KB's family and little K if he had done the right thing today, but it appears he is incapable of EVER doing the right thing. Arrogant ar$e! I guess we all knew that, right?

Well, our consolation is we get to hear what Ma F has to say and hopefully incriminate herself in some way and then watch the defence have a "hay day" with KK and expose her for the devil she really is. I'm still fuming over the attempts by the Rockstahl's and MS and a few others to paint her like some sort of poor, misled, fearful, innocent, love struck damsel. Makes me want to chuck my cookies. Something to look forward to when it finally happens, which I somehow doubt will be Oct. 28th. JMHO

I expect her to have a written order she is in to bad of health to publicly take the stand. Honestly this family has more rabbits in their hat than Houdini !

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I see that as a problem as well. It is possible to get a GUILTY verdict without a body. But a DP? I am not sure.

They are prosecuting a crime that took place in IL, no body, feds took over to seek the DP (Yingying Zhang). I think they will win, too.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

Me too. And I have full confidence that will be the result.

Nice avatar, but I'm sad for poor Steve.

And on that note...
What is it PF doesn't seem to have?
"A clue, a clue!"
That's right, a clue he's going down.

 

[Kapua]

@MassGuy I just noticed your avatar and I'm laughing my butt off!

Do I need a MOO, JMO and LOL?!

I know! @MassGuy and @GordianKnot are tied for Best Avatar today!

 

[Kapua]

http://www.nobodymurdercases.com/no_body2.pdf

Linking to nobodymurdercases.com

Cites hundreds of examples of no body murder cases.

A few of them were sentenced to death.
Not many at all, but a few.

So there's precedent.

It's not a "This has never ever happened before" scenario.
On extremely rare occasions, no body murder convictions have resulted in death penalty sentences.

Mark Christopher Crew murdered his wife Nancy in 1989.
No body case.
Sentenced to death.
California Supreme Court rejects South Bay killer’s appeal – The Mercury News

LWOP would be fine with me. MOO

 

[ilovewings]

A conviction #1 LWOP I can live with.

Me too: definitely. I think going for the death penalty would be a mistake:

 

[k-mac]

BBM:

I don't.

KK won't crumble. For one reason, she can't afford to do that.

KK's sweetie beauty of a deal with the DA is contingent upon her telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth when she lumbers up onto that stand at PF's trial.

KK clearly has enough of an instinct for self-preservation that she'll remember that she's required to fulfill her end of the bargain with the prosecutor in order to save her own leathery hide.

That creature is as tough as leather and as hard as nails when she needs to be.

JMO.

yes totally
she is a hard arse.
that mug shot was like.....come at me .....i dare ya!

moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Nothing surprising as expected. The coward is rolling the dice and I doubt we will ever hear one word from his own mouth. He is a narcissistic psychopath IMO.

That's okay, he's locked up tight in the meantime no matter how long it takes.

#JUTICEFORKELSEY

 

[girlhasnoname]

Bless Kelsey's dad for being there for her today.

KB's parents are both so strong. They shouldn't have to be living out this nightmare.

PF needs to pay not only for taking KB's life, but for all the other lives he's ruined with his unbelievably evil, depraved actions.

JMO.

Yes, the fact that baby K is safe with the Berreth family is the only comfort I can take from this travesty. They will raise her in the same caring and loving home like they did her momma Kelsey and those twisted F's won't be getting anywhere near her IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Not-so-bold predictions:

By the time this case ultimately goes to trial, it will be long after the October date they are shooting for (close to a year later).

May doesn’t go for the death penalty.

The judge decides in favor of allowing reporters to live-Tweet the trial.

PF is convicted on all counts, and is sentenced to LWOP.

 

[MemPat]

Not-so-bold predictions:

By the time this case ultimately goes to trial, it will be long after the October date they are shooting for (close to a year later).

May doesn’t go for the death penalty.

The judge decides in favor of allowing reporters to live-Tweet the trial.

PF is convicted on all counts, and is sentenced to LWOP.

I would add:

1. I'm having hat for dinner. This didn't turn out as I thought it would.

2. Mama has to sell the ranchette.

3. PF gets really chubby.

4. Same for Krystal.

5. GK has something funny to say about #4.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Complete motion at link.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/2019-05-22 22-04-53 Motion for Sanctions.pdf

5. Counsel refers the Court, in a way analogous to an exhibit, to:

6. The above linked website is an archived version of the “Live-Stream” that appeared on KOAA’s website, an identical version, or portions thereof, of which also appeared on other local and national websites at the time of the arraignment and continue to appear online as of the time of the writing of this Motion. All time stamps referred to below are from that website.

7. There was only one camera allowed in the courtroom for the April 5 Arraignment, per court order, so all the feeds, regardless of network, affiliate, or website, were identical.

8. The camera on April 5 was set up immediately behind defense counsel table, as opposed to previous court dates when Expanded Media Coverage was allowed, when the camera was set up next to the jury box, across the courtroom from the defense table.

9. As has been this Court’s practice, before the Court called the case of Mr. Frazee, counsel met with the judge in chambers. During this period, Mr. Frazee was brought into court by Teller County Sheriff Deputies. See 5:58 into the YouTube video. The live stream broadcast for nearly six minutes before Mr. Frazee was in the courtroom. Mr. Frazee appears on camera wearing a striped jail jumpsuit, pink handcuffs, and a bullet-proof vest. Mr. Frazee sits at defense counsel table alone because counsel was in chambers with the judge and opposing counsel. The camera zooms up close on Mr. Frazee’s face before focusing on the pink handcuffs he has been placed in. See 7:05 into the YouTube video.

10. At 8:35 into the YouTube video, counsel enters the courtroom from chambers. Counsel was carrying a piece of paper – work product – with him. It was placed on defense table as counsel sat down and began speaking with Mr. Frazee. The camera immediately zoomed in on the paper. See 8:50 into the YouTube video. Fortunately, the paper was placed with a blank side of the page up.

11. The camera then, in direct violation of the Court’s orders, zoomed in on counsel and Mr. Frazee having a conversation at defense table. See 8:55 into the YouTube video.

12. After opposing counsel entered the room, the camera then zoomed in again; this time, on the papers on the lectern in the middle of the courtroom. See 9:15 into the YouTube video.

13. After moving about the courtroom, the camera then zoomed in on opposing counsel having a private conversation. See 9:59 into the YouTube video.

14. The camera then focused on the defense table, displaying defense counsel’s computer screen, which, again, was work product. See 10:30 into the Youtube video. As counsel and Mr. Frazee spoke privately, the camera zoomed in on counsel and Mr. Frazee from the side. See 10:48 into the YouTube video.

15. The camera, after moving about the bench, then zoomed in on an open book on the Courts’ desk, showing highlights on what appears to be a statute book. See 11:30 into the YouTube video.

16. After the Arraignment, the camera again zoomed in on counsel and Mr. Frazee having a conversation. See 16:35 into the YouTube video.

17. All of the above mentioned instances were in violation of the Court’s orders concerning expanded media coverage, substantially placed into jeopardy Mr. Frazee’s rights to a fair trial, or unduly subtracted from the solemnity of the court and proceedings.

18. Zoom photography of counsel and Mr. Frazee’s conversations was specifically prohibited by the Court’s Order.

19. Zooming in on documents on counsel table, on documents on the lectern, on books on the judge’s bench, or on counsel’s computer all place Mr. Frazee’s right to a fair trial in jeopardy. All examples also detract from the proceedings and the solemnity of the court.

20. Additionally, none of those offenses would have taken place with traditional media coverage.

21. Importantly, none of these breaches of the court’s orders or etiquette at all informed the public of anything of import. Such that there is a balancing test in play, there was nothing of value on the side of expanding media coverage as compared to traditional media coverage that was added, only the possibility of prejudice and actual prejudice.

 

[lakelette]

I've seen a hearing or trial - can't remember which one - where a camera was aimed at the courthouse emblem on the wall. It was essentially a live audio stream. There is no reason that can't be considered. Live tweeting a three-week or more trial will be a huge burden to both tweet and follow. He's not entitled to privacy in this way and it really bothers me that the judge can't be more creative or flexible.

 

[v0x]

I've seen a hearing or trial - can't remember which one - where a camera was aimed at the courthouse emblem on the wall. It was essentially a live audio stream. There is no reason that can't be considered. Live tweeting a three-week or more trial will be a huge burden to both tweet and follow. He's not entitled to privacy in this way and it really bothers me that the judge can't be more creative or flexible.

I don’t think the judge has ruled on this motion filed by the defense yet.

ETA attached motion document

Source: Colorado Judicial Branch

 

[ilovechili]

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
By the way, Frazee is still in the courthouse. Both the prosecutors & defense for the criminal case have left. Sheila Frazee just left — so I’d guess the probate hearing is now wrapping up. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney
11:24 AM - 24 May 2019

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
VIDEO: And @SheriffTeller deputies escort him out. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney
11:26 AM - 24 May 2019

ETA: PF is definitely wearing leg shackles.

BBM. Good to know. I look for them every time he appears with the pic they get outside on arrival but can never see any... That very well could just be me though...

Are they pink too?