CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #53 *ARREST*

[Seattle1]

https://koaa.com/news/covering-colo...on-child-custody-and-evidence-in-murder-case/

June 10, 2019

The custody hearing will take place in a Cripple Creek courtroom on Thursday. The grandparents on both sides of the family have sought to gain or retain custody of the child following Berreth’s death and Frazee’s arrest on charges of first degree murder.

Back in April, a judge once again ruled Patrick Frazee and Kelsey Berreth’s daughter will remain in the custody of Berreth’s parents for now.

[...]

Then on Friday, there’s the hearing on consumptive evidence testing, tests that would destroy an entire sample. As part of our coverage on the case, News5 asked Mark Pfoff, a former detective in the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office who worked on more than 50 homicide investigations, what that testing means.

“You’re usually looking at some form of body fluids, whether it’s blood or saliva or something like that,” Pfoff said.

Pfoff said the amount of evidence is so small, it’s likely not visible to the eye — meaning testing that evidence once would prevent any follow-up testing moving forward.

[...]

The murder trial is scheduled to start on October 28 and is expected to last three weeks. bbm

Recently, the court has considered requests from the defense to heavily restrict the presence and access to the case by media, citing concerns about the possibility of conducting a fair trial. In Colorado, media is not guaranteed access to a courtroom with recording equipment. News organizations must file requests with the presiding judge for coverage.

 

[Seattle1]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV

Hi there, Meaghan. Yes, I’ll be there

Sam Kraemer added,

xxxxx @xxxxx
@SamKraemerTV I have a question? Will you be covering the motions for consumption testing on the 14th with Patrick Frazee in the Kelsey Berreth murder case?

12:22 PM - 10 Jun 2019

 

[GordianKnot]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV

Hi there, Meaghan. Yes, I’ll be there

Sam Kraemer added,

xxxxx @xxxxx
@SamKraemerTV I have a question? Will you be covering the motions for consumption testing on the 14th with Patrick Frazee in the Kelsey Berreth murder case?

12:22 PM - 10 Jun 2019

Thanks so much for posting this, @Seattle!

Sam's tweet makes me extremely optimistic that we're going to learn what that evidentiary item is that requires consumptive testing on Friday. If reporters are going to be allowed in the courtroom for the hearing on Friday, it's going to become a matter of public record...that's my take on it, anyway. Is that your read, too?

JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

Thanks so much for posting this, @Seattle!

Sam's tweet makes me extremely optimistic that we're going to learn what that evidentiary item is that requires consumptive testing on Friday. If reporters are going to be allowed in the courtroom for the hearing on Friday, it's going to become a matter of public record, which means we'll find out what that item is...that's my take on it, anyway. Is that your read, too?

JMO.

Absolutely.

I also have no fear that journalists will be "banned" from watching the criminal court -- just a matter of whether or not they get to bring their electronic devices inside the courtroom.

Journalists will always be able to tweet and/or report outside of the courtroom.

MOO

 

[ilovechili]

I am ready for some action in this case.

From the beginning I assumed it had to be PF. I never thought of a stranger abduction. Always heard that most murders are people we know. I still would find it easy to believe that KK had her hand in this from the beginning and played a huge role in the murder itself.

I get that the DA sometimes has to make a deal with the devil. That isn’t in question. It is the sweet, sweet deal he made with KK that doesn’t sit well with so many, including me.

Been reading on the Jennifer Dulos case and sounds like LE is attempting to give her a deal also and now there’s talk that she can prove she wasn’t there. That is so different from KK and all the ways I think she assisted PF, if indeed PF is convicted. I assume he will be. I cannot see him going to trial in October. Wouldn’t that be nice though?

I agree this will not go to trial in October. It is June, that is four months away. There is testing that is not even concluded or scheduled for testing yet. I so agree with you. Add to that all of the other things likely to occur prior to trial, not sure in Colorado and certainly not an expert, but pretrial, motions, experts, rules on what is admissible and what is not; do some of the necessary routine things even have dates scheduled yet? I doubt anyone believes it is going to be tried in October. And an attempt to delay can almost be expected, isn't it generally the norm by the defense who it benefits in most cases? Yet such can't be denied or there may be an appeal basis. So we have to let it take its time to ensure that does not happen.

I am just trying to get up to speed on the Dulos case the past few days. Talk about two couples from he77, PF and KK and the two in that case. Without even having read all of it yet, the similarities... Hmm. The only comment I can make since I am not up to speed totally on it is in neither case do the women seem to know where the body is to bring the remains home for the victims' families and have that to offer. Mm-hmm. How ideal and fortunate is that?

So... Since it will not likely be tried in October imho as well as your opinion and that of others I imagine, KK remains free to get up to whatever she likes, whether that be rocking and watching whodunits or crazy soaps or reality shows she cannot identify with or partying up a storm or maybe spending some time on dating sites, trying to do it right this time looking for a good man... Whoa...

I wonder what PF will fill his time with. Is he a crossword fan? Jigsaw puzzle addict? Likes to read? Does he crave Sonic and all of his dates with KK there and just sits there reminiscing or does he love things like clean-up, being familiar with wet wipes and all? Is he grieving over not seeing his child and over the loss of her mother since he pled not guilty and says he did not do this? Somehow I do not see any of that but who knows... Busy making friends and buddies I bet! That is what he is focused on. And writing long soft sentimental letters to his missed loved ones... He only has the one child is that correct? Are the Berreths getting child support from him--willingly I bet?? He is the only parent alive. And he will lose all rights to her or so I hope...

And on that note, I pray Baby K remains with the family of KB. Not a baby anymore, but a very fun and curious toddler I bet. She is still a baby though. Hoping for the best for her and the Berreths as always, and hoping for two sentenced for the right form of justice for KB--KK will screw up before this ever gets to trial... Probably plotting right now against someone else that has her seething with jealousy.. She can still testify from a prison cell right per the deal?

And that would be my as close as we can get to perfect ending/justice in this case...

And of course, this is all only my opinion.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I agree this will not go to trial in October. It is June, that is four months away. There is testing that is not even concluded or scheduled for testing yet. I so agree with you. Add to that all of the other things likely to occur prior to trial, not sure in Colorado and certainly not an expert, but pretrial, motions, experts, rules on what is admissible and what is not; do some of the necessary routine things even have dates scheduled yet? I doubt anyone believes it is going to be tried in October. And an attempt to delay can almost be expected, isn't it generally the norm by the defense who it benefits in most cases? Yet such can't be denied or there may be an appeal basis. So we have to let it take its time to ensure that does not happen.

I am just trying to get up to speed on the Dulos case the past few days. Talk about two couples from he77, PF and KK and the two in that case. Without even having read all of it yet, the similarities... Hmm. The only comment I can make since I am not up to speed totally on it is in neither case do the women seem to know where the body is to bring the remains home for the victims' families and have that to offer. Mm-hmm. How ideal and fortunate is that?

So... Since it will not likely be tried in October imho as well as your opinion and that of others I imagine, KK remains free to get up to whatever she likes, whether that be rocking and watching whodunits or crazy soaps or reality shows she cannot identify with or partying up a storm or maybe spending some time on dating sites, trying to do it right this time looking for a good man... Whoa...

I wonder what PF will fill his time with. Is he a crossword fan? Jigsaw puzzle addict? Likes to read? Does he crave Sonic and all of his dates with KK there and just sits there reminiscing or does he love things like clean-up, being familiar with wet wipes and all? Is he grieving over not seeing his child and over the loss of her mother since he pled not guilty and says he did not do this? Somehow I do not see any of that but who knows... Busy making friends and buddies I bet! That is what he is focused on. And writing long soft sentimental letters to his missed loved ones... He only has the one child is that correct? Are the Berreths getting child support from him--willingly I bet?? He is the only parent alive. And he will lose all rights to her or so I hope...

And on that note, I pray Baby K remains with the family of KB. Not a baby anymore, but a very fun and curious toddler I bet. She is still a baby though. Hoping for the best for her and the Berreths as always, and hoping for two sentenced for the right form of justice for KB--KK will screw up before this ever gets to trial... Probably plotting right now against someone else that has her seething with jealousy.. She can still testify from a prison cell right per the deal?

And that would be my as close as we can get to perfect ending/justice in this case...

And of course, this is all only my opinion.

I am guessing KK can pull it off, you know trying to live the good life while awaiting what will be an embarrassing cross examination of her and an open book of her life. But I would hate to be in her shoes. Just the anxiety of waiting and knowing you will be exposed would be excruciating. But I cannot think the way murderers do. So maybe she is having a good time knowing she got one over on PF.

I doubt PF can be as carefree. Sonic likely sounds like an exotic meal compared to the grub he gets.

I pray for KBs baby girl. I hope she has a wonderful life ahead of her, one where the people who took her moms life have no part. I pray that SF had no part in this either. That kind of sadness would never go away.

 

[crhedBngr]

I am guessing KK can pull it off, you know trying to live the good life while awaiting what will be an embarrassing cross examination of her and an open book of her life. But I would hate to be in her shoes. Just the anxiety of waiting and knowing you will be exposed would be excruciating. But I cannot think the way murderers do. So maybe she is having a good time knowing she got one over on PF.

I doubt PF can be as carefree. Sonic likely sounds like an exotic meal compared to the grub he gets.

I pray for KBs baby girl. I hope she has a wonderful life ahead of her, one where the people who took her moms life have no part. I pray that SF had no part in this either. That kind of sadness would never go away.

So many, many lives ruined. And for what???

 

[Deleted member 102539]

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[Steelslady]

Sometimes I wonder if her body was truly burned after she was murdered.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Sometimes I wonder if her body was truly burned after she was murdered.

I wonder if they didn’t put a bullet in her body and dump her. The question here is KKs story...why? Did LE guide her into this story or is her story the truth? One way or the other, she knows more than she says. I wonder if we will ever know. We just have to trust there will be true justice for Kelsey.

 

[Steelslady]

I wonder if they didn’t put a bullet in her body and dump her. The question here is KKs story...why? Did LE guide her into this story or is her story the truth? One way or the other, she knows more than she says. I wonder if we will ever know. We just have to trust there will be true justice for Kelsey.

I do believe that the tote she was carried in was burned and perhaps some articles of clothing of PF's, KK's, and Kelsey's was burned- that may have been the "lump" that she saw in the tote. So, it's a partial truth- know what I mean? Perhaps she didn't see PF put those clothes/articles (tainted with blood and body fluids) in the tote, so it was the truth, so to speak.

He also might have lied to her and said Kelsey was in the tote, but disposed of her body first, placed other articles in the tote, and she didn't know what was actually in the tote. That may be why she mentioned seeing a lump getting burned, but couldn't say for sure that it was Kelsey's body. Not to mention- even though she is a nurse, I just can't believe that she wasn't repulsed by the odor of a burning body- even his mother was out there. That's not a smell that you can just cover your nose and block it out.

 

[PommyMommy]

Rob McCallum on Twitter
People v Frazee: The Court has issued a decorum order for Friday’s 9 am motions hearing in Cripple Creek #KelseyBerreth
12:24 PM - 12 Jun 2019

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/Decorum Order 06_14_2019.pdf

 

[Deleted member 718]

@SamKraemerTV
Replying to @rwmccallum
Hi Rob, any word on live tweeting again?

11:28 AM - 12 Jun 2019

1. 1. 
      Rob McCallum‏ @rwmccallum 1h1 hour ago
      Replying to @SamKraemerTV
      A-Ok
      
      

 

[PommyMommy]

Rob McCallum on Twitter
People v Frazee: The Court has issued a decorum order for Friday’s 9 am motions hearing in Cripple Creek #KelseyBerreth
12:24 PM - 12 Jun 2019

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/Decorum Order 06_14_2019.pdf

I guess that means no cameras for sure. But will reporters be allowed access?

Yes, see gliving's post above, #753. They will be allowed to tweet from the courtroom. MOO

ETA (Post brought over from the media thread)

 

[Love Never Fails]

I do believe that the tote she was carried in was burned and perhaps some articles of clothing of PF's, KK's, and Kelsey's was burned- that may have been the "lump" that she saw in the tote. So, it's a partial truth- know what I mean? Perhaps she didn't see PF put those clothes/articles (tainted with blood and body fluids) in the tote, so it was the truth, so to speak.

He also might have lied to her and said Kelsey was in the tote, but disposed of her body first, placed other articles in the tote, and she didn't know what was actually in the tote. That may be why she mentioned seeing a lump getting burned, but couldn't say for sure that it was Kelsey's body. Not to mention- even though she is a nurse, I just can't believe that she wasn't repulsed by the odor of a burning body- even his mother was out there. That's not a smell that you can just cover your nose and block it out.

It’s hard for me to imagine them burning a body on property co close to his moms home that she could smell it. I just cannot believe his mother would knowingly allow her son to burn a body and cover for him. I can see KK doing that. But not his mother.

So maybe it was personal items as you say. With KK being a nurse, I think she would know for sure if they had actually burned a body. I just believe that she knows a lot more than she has testified to. IMO.

 

[ilovechili]

It’s hard for me to imagine them burning a body on property co close to his moms home that she could smell it. I just cannot believe his mother would knowingly allow her son to burn a body and cover for him. I can see KK doing that. But not his mother.

So maybe it was personal items as you say. With KK being a nurse, I think she would know for sure if they had actually burned a body. I just believe that she knows a lot more than she has testified to. IMO.

Yeah these partners in crime who seem to know how much about a crime and witnessed most parts of it or at least were involved afterwards but then deny knowledge of the whereabouts of the body or being told, to me are a bit hard to believe. Oh yes, we discussed, we fantasized, we plotted, we planned, we had burner phones, vehicles, different attempts but where she is? Nope, not a clue. I was never a part of that nor did we discuss that. I cleaned, I watched a cremation/burning, I saw a tote, we got rid of evidence and towels and more, I took a gun, but the body? Nope, not a clue. I know just about every single last detail, he told me (I was not there but I have details as if I was), in fact ridiculous details, but where her body is? No, not a clue.

Wow. Pretty far fetched if ya ask me. You would have to convince me of that were I a juror. Not sure anyone could. I simply do not find it credible, nor logical.

In my opinion only, KK could have saved KB and came forward and KK could provide KB's family with closure and/or the body. She did not do the first despite repeated chances and she will not do the second. One can bet on that.

All jmo.

 

[MassGuy]

Yeah these partners in crime who seem to know how much about a crime and witnessed most parts of it or at least were involved afterwards but then deny knowledge of the whereabouts of the body or being told, to me are a bit hard to believe. Oh yes, we discussed, we fantasized, we plotted, we planned, we had burner phones, vehicles, different attempts but where she is? Nope, not a clue. I was never a part of that nor did we discuss that. I cleaned, I watched a cremation/burning, I saw a tote, we got rid of evidence and towels and more, I took a gun, but the body? Nope, not a clue. I know just about every single last detail, he told me (I was not there but I have details as if I was), in fact ridiculous details, but where her body is? No, not a clue.

Wow. Pretty far fetched if ya ask me. You would have to convince me of that were I a juror. Not sure anyone could. I simply do not find it credible, nor logical.

In my opinion only, KK could have saved KB and came forward and KK could provide KB's family with closure and/or the body. She did not do the first despite repeated chances and she will not do the second. One can bet on that.

All jmo.

All the jury has to be convinced of, is that Patrick Frazee murdered Kelsey.

That’s it.

Even if they don’t believe parts of KK’s account, there is plenty of other evidence that incriminates him.

Don’t believe he burned the body? Fine, it doesn’t change the rest of it.

It doesn’t take away the cell phone evidence, all his lies, the physical evidence that corroborates KK’s account (accelerant, burned plastic, blood splatter, etc), the footage of him returning to the house, and all the things that we don’t yet know.

A potential hole in a single piece of evidence (I don’t believe it exists in the first place), doesn’t blow a hole in the entire case.

 

[Niner]

Thursday, June 13th:
*Review Hearing (re child custody) (@ 8:15am MT) - CO – Kelsey Berreth (29) (last seen Nov. 22, 2018, Woodland Park; phone pinged 800 miles away in Gooding, Idaho on 11/25/18 @ 5:13pm, reported missing Dec. 2, 2018; not found) – *Patrick Michael Frazee (32) “fiancé” arrested (12/21/18), charged (12/21/18) & arraigned (5/24/19) with 1st degree murder & 3 counts of solicitation to commit 1st degree murder & 1st degree felony murder (for death during attempted robbery). Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
Was a suspect as of 12/15/18. Search warrant executed 12/14/18. Search & arrest warrants are sealed. The little girl, who had been staying with her dad up until his arrest, is now in protective custody & will be reunited with Berreth’s family. 12/27/18: The court continued the temporary custody of the minor child with maternal grandparents, but the Teller County Dept. of Human Services will retain legal custody.
Court hearings from 12/21/18 thru 4/5/19 reference post #429 here:
Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #53 *ARREST*
5/24/19 Update: Frazee entered a not guilty plea. Trial date on Monday, Oct. 28. Trial is expected to last 3 weeks. A motions hearing for June 14 related to consumptive testing, another motion hearing on Aug. 23 @ 9am for all day & the pre-trial readiness date would be Friday, Oct. 18 @ 9am. Frazee’s attorney is asking the judge to prevent live-tweeting & blogging inside the court during proceedings. He is also asking the judge to bar media from taking photos of Frazee walking into or out of court. Judge Sells said he won’t decide on the request today. Child custody hearing on 6/13.
*Krystal Jean “Lee” Kenney – plea deal-plead guilty to one count of tampering with physical evidence, a class 6 felony, with an open sentence. Review hearing on June 24th.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yeah these partners in crime who seem to know how much about a crime and witnessed most parts of it or at least were involved afterwards but then deny knowledge of the whereabouts of the body or being told, to me are a bit hard to believe. Oh yes, we discussed, we fantasized, we plotted, we planned, we had burner phones, vehicles, different attempts but where she is? Nope, not a clue. I was never a part of that nor did we discuss that. I cleaned, I watched a cremation/burning, I saw a tote, we got rid of evidence and towels and more, I took a gun, but the body? Nope, not a clue. I know just about every single last detail, he told me (I was not there but I have details as if I was), in fact ridiculous details, but where her body is? No, not a clue.

Wow. Pretty far fetched if ya ask me. You would have to convince me of that were I a juror. Not sure anyone could. I simply do not find it credible, nor logical.

In my opinion only, KK could have saved KB and came forward and KK could provide KB's family with closure and/or the body. She did not do the first despite repeated chances and she will not do the second. One can bet on that.

All jmo.

I'll have to respectfully disagree about it not being possible KK doesn't know the location of Kelsey's remains. I find it reasonable to believe that PF would not share the exact location.

I think it's part of his "No body, no crime" mentality and even though he 'trusted' KK enough to share most of the details, self preservation to PF is the most important thing in his world. That single piece of information would erase any possibility of his innocence and he wouldn't risk it IMO. I don't think he's ever told anyone nor will he.

ETA: spelling

 

[katydid23]

Hoping and Praying that sweet baby girl stays with the Berreth family after the custody hearing today.