CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #7

[MesquiteO21]

I’d agree.

Another thought. With her parents setting up a LLC in order to lend her money for her house purchase, I wonder if that was strategic, or why that was done. It has a 5% interest rate, 30 year loan. I haven’t bought a house since 2013, but isn’t 5% a bit high? Especially for a personal loan for your child? Maybe I am wrong there, I haven’t monitored interest rates very closely this year.

disclaimer: i have very rudimentary knowledge about finance and economics, lol. it does seem slightly high, however if it's a fixed interest rate it probably works out to be average. a variable interest rate might be 3% for awhile, or may go up to 7%, so a steady 5% is probably the average over the long term. they probably figured a fixed interest would be best so kelsey would always know what she had to pay and could budget far out...just offers a little bit more stability.

 

[zecats]

the one thing that I just can't get past on the texts. So, you take the time to text work and fiance, but not your mom. I would think the point, in both scenarios (she sent the texts or someone else did) is to make sure no one is looking for her. But you don't contact the one person it seems that would actually look for her.

Good point. I can only come up with this...if someone was making it look like she was going to be away for a week (or so), then by NOT texting mom it would look more like she was headed there. And thinking it was not Kelsey who did the texting, sending one to Mom would be risky and probably require an answer as Mom would text back. I would if my daughter sent me a text saying she was going to be off the grid for a week, or something to that affect.

 

[MsBetsy]

You keep saying "he dropped the baby off". He was picking the baby up.

Yes, I realised that! I said dropped off and picked up so many different times I don't know what I'm talking about anymore. But yes I was saying it backwards. I'm actually trying to pack up my house by tomorrow morning and I keep checking the thread which I shouldn't even be doing. Maybe I'm thinking of the moving van dropping off all my stuff at the new house. Plus my brother called earlier to say he was dropping off some bins for me. I'm so crazy running around in circles I shouldn't even post anything.

 

[Steelslady]

Is anyone else as curious as I am as to why they're only releasing video of her walking into safeway and not out?

Yes, this is baffling me. What is on it that they don't want others to see?

 

[Wsimm]

I think she lived with PF and that's why she had a PO Box.

Agreed! Why did she move out on her own in May and purchase the townhouse? It’s been posted the mortgage is deferred to an LLC or estate of her family’s..... This is was brings me back to KB’s family knowing much more the goings on of this relationship with PF than they are willing or able to release at this time. Wow....tough!

 

[MyBelle]

which is so utterly terrifying. you could think a guy is nice and good looking -- i'll admit strictly on looks alone if i didn't know them, i'd think chris watts and ted bundy were quite handsome...and well, exhibit a and b that evil can be wrapped up in a pretty package.

ITA. There are nice, good-looking guys who come across as utterly charming at first in order to ensnare their victims. JMO

 

[Steelslady]

I've worked all weekend and haven't been online much, so I missed a few things. Could someone tell me why we are discussing that Kelsey has taken off before, or is this an assumption?

 

[DexterMorgan]

The phone got to Idaho somehow.

 

[Seattle1]

Maybe. You can do FB and Pinterest on a computer - don't need a cell phone. I know a few people who communication online yet don't text (some people don't have cell phones, have flip phones, don't like typing on cell phone, etc.).

When KB needed a recipe, it sounds like she called her mom and talked to her - didn't send a text.

Of course, I'm just guessing. But it does explain why mom didn't get text on Nov 25 when the employer and fiance did.

speculation only

jmo

Perhaps Mum didn't get a text because the employer and PF texts did not originate with KB. A text to Mum might result in a reply text which would not be favorable or convenient to an impostor. MOO

 

[NanZDrew]

Long time reader. I think I’ve read through all the posts here in all 7 threads and I don’t know if this has been posted. He doesn’t seem creepy. Patrick Frazee

I hadn't seen that. He raised border colliies and Lil Midge is beautiful. I don't think he is creepy either...unless he is guilty. Then he will be creepy due to his actions, not his looks.

 

[Jennifer17]

I've worked all weekend and haven't been online much, so I missed a few things. Could someone tell me why we are discussing that Kelsey has taken off before, or is this an assumption?

There is no basis for that assumption.

 

[mommabear23]

ITA= I totally agree

 

[Hexe7]

Yes, this is baffling me. What is on it that they don't want others to see?

I’m not sure, but could it be the camera angle would only show her back walking out? Haven’t scoped out my local Safeway, but that would be my guess...

 

[moonlessnight]

to the contrary, if co-parents have high conflict, the other parent's state of mind can be used against them in terms of custody. If PF knew KB was stressed, or had PPMD for instance to the extent it was affecting her parenting, he could potentially try to get custody based on that info, at least temporarily. LE can't take a child based on allegations, but parents can file for emergency custody based on very little. They may not win, but they might, and they can always try.

Can someone explain why if PF is guilty (accident or otherwise ) and went to effort to buy himself an extra week + by driving to Idaho (or planting phone and programming it to wake up and text in Idaho (so he would have planned coverup) why he would not continue the coverup by at least issuing statements through is lawyer like ‘PF is praying for KB and knows K needs her mother to return safe’ ?

Also none of you know co parents / divorced parents who can’t stand one another... or thinks the other is shady ? Yes she is the mother of his child but to suddenly be concerned for someone you are known to dislike is hypocritical. And everyone in their town may know they did not get along. PF could be risking people coming out and saying his pleas for her are fake he told me last week she was (insert nasty stuff about ex here)

 

[Steelslady]

She walked in with the baby in a car seat.
She is how old?
After my kids were able to sit up, there is no way I would have taken the car seat in as well.
Car seat is required by law for a child to be transported in.
We have no video of her leaving the store.
With or without the baby.
I find that very odd!
For those of you who are co-parenting an infant/toddler, how does that work with the car seat.
Do each of you have your own and just hand the child to it's other parent, or do you both have a base in your vehicle and each of you have a "base" to snap it into?
There is also the 3rd option, one parent has the seat and base and the other parent uses the seat with a seat belt only.

Two things that are bugging me.
A.- why no video of her leaving the store and/or getting into her car with the child.
B.- why is still being called the finacé if there is ANY proof that there was no date set, dress bought or any other plans being made.

A piece of the puzzle is missing here. Why?
What are we not being told/shown and why???

I'm also curious, where is the car seat we saw at the store? Could it have evidence on it?
Moo

I work in stores- some parents do bring in a car seat, especially if the child is sleeping or not feeling well.
I did wonder, though, if she might have brought it in because PF said he would meet her there to take the baby from her, so she might have taken the car seat in with the baby in it, to make it easier to give to PF. However, PF has told two different stories, according to media reports- one was that he picked the baby up at Kelsey's, the other was that Kelsey dropped the baby off at his house. It could be that the media got it mixed up, who knows.

 

[1mtroyal]

Yes, this is baffling me. What is on it that they don't want others to see?

And didn't they say the video of Kelsey entering Safeway was the last sighting of her?

 

[Deleted member 169742]

Definitely possible.

I'm starting to think PF & KB's relationship at this point was to only co-parent the child. It may not have been known to the public or family but I consider that a possibility. If PF harmed her it would most likely be something to do with caring for K or KB moving away with K or along those lines. If someone else harmed her the reason is less apparent to me.

Full agreement ... well written

PF could have a love ... interested in him ... who saw the "relationship in name only" ... who grew tired of waiting ... who knew he loved K ... and would keep the "relationship" going, to keep K.

The love interest could likely have appeared that evening ... got into a confrontation with KB, and harmed her.

This would have placed PF in a tough spot ... cop on his love interest and lose his baby at the same time ... ... ... .... ... so maybe he covered up. The love interest could have driven to Idaho to launch the text messages while he went "hunting for the weekend" and disposed of the body.

I am just speculating... advancing your hypothesis, in my humble opinion.

Of note, there is really just one restaurant between their two residences. Diners recall him, but have made no mention of seeing KB and PF eating together .. so odd ... KB is beautiful ... folks would remember her.

 

[Marli61]

ITA= I totally agree

Thanks!

 

[zecats]

Yes, I realised that! I said dropped off and picked up so many different times I don't know what I'm talking about anymore. But yes I was saying it backwards. I'm actually trying to pack up my house by tomorrow morning and I keep checking the thread which I shouldn't even be doing. Maybe I'm thinking of the moving van dropping off all my stuff at the new house. Plus my brother called earlier to say he was dropping off some bins for me. I'm so crazy running around in circles I shouldn't even post anything.

I'm with you on that...just got back from a week in Disney World, have a gazillion holiday-related tasks to take care of, family coming soon for the long weekend. And yet I'm compelled to check here and to add my two cents as often as possible. Good luck to you with your move and in your new house.

That being said, it makes it even more emotional to follow a case like this when you realize how difficult it is for this family, and that Kelsey should be celebrating holidays with her baby girl and family. I still hope this has a positive outcome, though I find it difficult to come up with a scenario where it will.

 

[moonlessnight]

the down payment was low ($185k house, $182 k loan), so the interest rate would be higher based on that.

disclaimer: i have very rudimentary knowledge about finance and economics, lol. it does seem slightly high, however if it's a fixed interest rate it probably works out to be average. a variable interest rate might be 3% for awhile, or may go up to 7%, so a steady 5% is probably the average over the long term. they probably figured a fixed interest would be best so kelsey would always know what she had to pay and could budget far out...just offers a little bit more stability.