CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #8

[Queasy Gumshoe]

Maybe this is why the mother/family are being so weird and so persistent that no one talks bad about PF.....they know about his temper and he has the baby.

GREAT POINT @GoJacks !

 

[worreewart]

I agree. He cheated on a previous girlfriend and it wouldn't surprise me if he cheated on KB.....and had "help" with the texts.

What’s your source that he cheated on previous girlfriend? Do you have a link for that??

 

[Denvergirl]

Hi there,

It all makes sense, but your post implies Kelsey is alive.

I can imagine her not watching TV; I am not an avid TV watcher myself. But she has FB, all social media, news, can she not notice that people are looking for her? Just give a call, say, hi, I am fine?

So whomever she planned to visit in Soap Lake, she did not reach, either, I presume.

Also, she didn't take EITHER of the 2 cars she owns??

 

[ReadySet]

"some break hard" is a figure of speech with a wide range of possible meanings.
One of the people interviewed for the DM did say they no longer used his farrier business. There could be more.

Horse people are an interesting bunch

Some swear by a western saddle ... some won't use it even on a trail ride

Everybody has a feeding routine "that is the best"

Some sweet talk horses ... some break hard ... some yell ... some cuss ... some hit them

Stables and rodeo are always the scene for crazy events.

I guess, if it was not highly risky ... nobody would do it.

It is the nature of the operation.

Just think about steer roping

The equipment... is significant

Even the best have bad things happen.

I read nothing into the comments about PFs horse skills.

If he was crazy and abusive ... his operation would have failed years ago

 

[MyBelle]

What’s your source that he cheated on previous girlfriend? Do you have a link for that??

It's in the article posted up thread quoting people who know him. Cheated on girlfriend while she was hospitalized.

 

[?mysterian?]

What’s your source that he cheated on previous girlfriend? Do you have a link for that??

It's in this article: Neighbors described fiancé of missing Colorado woman as 'quiet' and 'good' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Jennifer17]

What’s your source that he cheated on previous girlfriend? Do you have a link for that??

The Daily Mail article posted on the page before this one.

 

[Writestuff]

Her mom said at the news conference the two had never lived together.

Edited my post to reflect that - thank you! There was a post about her having a PO box in Florissant so I think that's where it came from.

 

[allboys]

Darn. I had read about this horse trailer tipping in a SM comment a while back. I hoped it wasn’t true, and of course I never referenced it here because of TOS. But to be honest, it seemed too detailed to be made up and it was hard not to let it affect my judgment. Is it typical that we first get more background info. from the DM? I just ask because I feel like the U.S. MSM has possibly been advised/requested for safety reasons to keep these personal stories out of the news. But maybe DM didn’t get the memo (or decided not to honor it.)

Again referring back to the Nancy Cooper murder case... Her parents were able to get an emergency custody order granted to get children from the father. But, a body was found in that case.

I am deeply concerned about baby K’s well being.

 

[heli]

What’s your source that he cheated on previous girlfriend? Do you have a link for that??

A former girlfriend who dated Frazee more than six years ago declined to speak to DailyMail.com but her current partner said: 'He cheated on her while she was in the hospital, take that for what it's worth.'

 

[susiQ]

With regards to the cell phone ping in Gooding, Idaho. Some facts/thoughts to remember/consider.

1. The ONLY person who seemed to be aware of KB's "plan" to visit her grandmother in Idaho was PF. This info is in direct contradiction to the info that KB gave her mother about her "plans" (Thanksgiving dinner out with PF, decorating for Christmas) the morning of her disappearance.

2. LE is not searching Gooding, Idaho, nor are they searching Soap Lake, WA.

3. LE obtained and executed a search warrant for the home and vehicle of PF in Colorado. They did this while imploring PF to please come in for an interview. They also specifically stated that they obtained the search warrant based on facts, though unknown to the public, they'd gathered and presented to judge who felt those facts compelling enough to issue the warrant.

4. Remember LE photographed PF as well took samples of his DNA. I speculate that they used the photographs in various gas stations/restaurants along the route between Florissant and Gooding in attempt to show that PF travelled that route himself.

5. Consider that LE is in possession of KB's cell phone records, and most likely her computer, including Email. LE at no point has cast a "wider net". Why is that?
If KB were intending to visit her grandma, there would be a call? An email? A text? A google map? Our devices talk to one another now, when I search something on my phone, suddenly, I get advertisements for whatever that happens to be on my computer, and suggestions for hotels in that area on my iPad.

In summary, I'm willing to wager that LE has threshed out the Gooding angle and found that it actually pointed back at the the person who pointed a finger in that direction in the first place. JMHO.

You seriously nailed it!!

 

[Jennifer17]

Darn. I had read about this horse trailer tipping in a SM comment a while back. I hoped it wasn’t true, and of course I never referenced it here because of TOS. But to be honest, it seemed too detailed to be made up and it was hard not to let it affect my judgment. Is it typical that we first get more background info. from the DM? I just ask because I feel like the U.S. MSM has possibly been advised/requested for safety reasons to keep these personal stories out of the news. But maybe DM didn’t get the memo (or decide to honor it.)

Again referring back to the Nancy Cooper murder. Her parents were able to get an emergency custody order granted to get children from the father. But, a body was found in that case.

I am deeply concerned about baby K’s well being.

The DM is a British publication so maybe they do not have to consider US advice.
They recently published a suspects name from a NZ crime after the judge had issued an order for his name to be suppressed.

 

[Deleted member 169742]

"some break hard" is a figure of speech with a wide range of possible meanings.
One of the people interviewed for the DM did say they no longer used his farrier business. There could be more.

Horse people are very political about horses

They align with horse people of common techniques and shunn the others.

It is not atypical at all.

Horse people are very opinionated and firm.

One vet told me half the town loves him and half dislike him ... and both think they are right

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

I think they meant that this doesn’t bode well for PF’s defense. It doesn’t sound good for PF

IMO I feel like they may have gotten a warrant to bug his home, they keep turning up the heat on him until they get their interview. I did not notice whether a vehicle had been returned to owner, anyone know if that happened?

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

You seriously nailed it!!

Sadly, thank you.

 

[alliemarie]

IMO I feel like they may have gotten a warrant to bug his home, they keep turning up the heat on him until they get their interview. I did not notice whether a vehicle had been returned to owner, anyone know if that happened?

I certainly hope they are going over every square inch of that truck, inside and out. I feel they are. I do not believe it has been returned. IMO.

 

[LAHOLLA]

Maybe I’m just a crazy animal lover and it’s true that I typically prefer animals to humans but in my mind there isn’t a huge stretch between cruelty to animals and cruelty to humans...

 

[Wagtales10]

I thought old fashioned cowboys respected women and had integrity.

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

You seriously nailed it!!

NM

 

[susiQ]

Did you think a mom missing for a month without a trace would ever be 'good'?

No, but I was trying to remain hopeful that PF didn't do the unspeakable. Although I had heard days ago he had some rage issue with the horse trailer, I hadn't seen it reported by MSM. This article shows there is a pattern of bad behaviour, and I fear also for the child, as I see others do as well.