CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #8

[Mom24]

A different perspective on the rolls and why I believe they are not very significant & a little overplayed here.

I personally don’t eat many sweets. I work out & overall eat pretty healthy. Last Fall I did buy a package of those Pilsbury refrigerated cinnamon rolls.

I made them after a good training session with my dog in the cold rain. I wanted the house to smell good, I was happy to be dry & warm, but literally only wanted one. The rest sat uncovered on my stove. I no longer cared about them. I would have never packed them for a snack and took them with me if I was leaving.

Now, if you told me she left a prepared meal, like bacon & eggs or a grilled steak out, then I would see the significance.

I agree to a point. However if you were going to go away for a week you probably wouldn't leave food out on the counter. But then you'd probably pack a bag, gather some toiletries and take a vehicle too. So I agree, it's just another thing to add to the list of why it's unlikely she was leaving for an extended time.

 

[Deleted member 169742]

Left a baby with you? If not, would you have thought about calling if she had?

No ... she was 29, an adult

She left her horses with me ... which were her babies

I remember having a friend over for bbq that Sunday night. I was missing her. I appreciated the company.

He asked me if we should call the police.

I said no, she broke up with me ... I have to respect her freedom ... I can not be selfish.

 

[Deleted member 169742]

I am trying not to picture some woman, sitting on a beach in California, wearing nothing but some sunglasses, and holding a purse.

Lol ... a strikingly attractive lady ... she was later featured on a dance show

 

[Deleted member 155000]

... statistically, there is absolutely no comparison between the possibility of stranger harm versus harm by someone who is known to the victim. That difference is massive.

Of course same goes for voluntary missing or mistake or wandering due to dementia, or mental illness, etc. The vast number of missing person cases fall under that category of people who left on their own.

What gives me pause here is the behavior of the fiancée and the behavior of LE and the DA. Law enforcement has made it clear they view him as their number one suspect.

They're putting pressure on. And by the time they began executing search warrants they knew EVERYTHING about KB that we don't know: If she has been diagnosed with a mental health issue. If she has been committed before. If she's ever taken off before. If she's been to rehab. Has a history of addiction or instability.

They know that all.

And yet...instead of really pressing the public to search for her and reaching out to her, "Kelsey please contact your loved ones. Your baby misses you..." etc., they're making clear where the focus is and who has a target on their back.

He was the last person to see her. He's acting cagey IMO. Hasn't sat down with LE. Doesn't appear to be allowing grandma to see her grandchild.

If I was a "betting man"...

I'm still open but I'm pretty sure where this will lead.

I agree with most of your points and share your opinion about what is most likely. Just for me, there's still enough gaps in the info, that I feel like it's a 70/30 most likely not a 99/1 as some others feel.

But honestly that is okay. Our strength is in our differences often.

 

[thunder222]

Hi,

First time poster, long time reader. I just moved from Woodland Park Co this past summer lived there for 3 years. Initially I thought PF was guilty but with LE not finding or releasing that they found anything on his property I am not sure. Although I keep thinking that if he had something to hide he wouldn't do it on his property. There are endless areas all around Woodland Park, Florissant , Divide, Cripple Creek … where I would assume evidence would not turn up for a long time. It just doesn't make sense to me for it to be anyone but PF. I'm back and forth in my head.

 

[MyBelle]

I think it’s entirely possible that KB and PF broke up. If not that day, sometime recently.

However, KB did not break up with her daughter. As long as they had a child together that one or the other was caring for at any given time, total communication black out for a week or more is not realistic. It’s alarming.

Jmo.

I think it very possible they broke up and that's what triggered an incident of domestic violence. JMO

 

[Deleted member 169742]

I think this has been touched on before, but for my own clarification I'm going to ask again. Is there any possible way a plane can take off for a destination without logging a flight plan? Is there any way someone could fudge on a flight plan say if they had help from the ground *air traffic control*? I know zero about how this works but common sense tells me planes have to be guided through the air so they don't crash into one another. I'm just wondering if there is some elaborate (or simple) way someone could get around this?

Float planes

 

[Harikari]

Ummmm, apologies to those who read my comment that said ‘pussy’ vs ‘pissy’. Not the first time autocorrect has done that!! Hope it provided a brief cackle.

 

[Deleted member 718]

A new article with nothing new:

Kelsey Berreth’s family relies on faith during her troubling disappearance
Family member unaware of any strain between Berreth and her fiancé

PUBLISHED: December 17, 2018 at 3:04 pm | UPDATED: December 17, 2018 at 3:05 pm

Family members of missing Woodland Park mother Kelsey Berreth are devastated by her disappearance because they know that the reliable young woman would never willingly abandon her family.

“Kelsey’s a sweet, sweet girl. She’s very grounded. She’s a committed, reliable person. I don’t believe for one minute that she would leave on her own without telling her family where she was going,” said Berreth’s cousin, Jodee Garretson, 50, of Pasco, Wash.

As the days and weeks have passed since Berreth disappeared on Thanksgiving Day, Garretson said she is convinced something is wrong. But she doesn’t know what it could be. Although she never met her cousin’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, his reputation within her family is good. She had never heard that there was anything wrong with the relationship.

Family of missing Kelsey Berreth relies on faith

 

[MassGuy]

Here’s the thing.

If PF is completely innocent here, and there is no nefarious explanation as to what happened to Kelsey, then he committed one of the worst public relations blunders that anyone in his position has ever committed.

Fine, he didn’t report her missing, all he has to do is explain why.

Fine, he doesn’t feel comfortable making a public plea for her safe return, get someone else to do it for you.

Is it that hard to make a Facebook post, send a Tweet, or distribute fliers for the missing mother of your child?

Those were the two biggest sins on his part.

That’s not normal, and it opens yourself up to tremendous suspicion.

Disaster!

 

[Charlot123]

Coy because the recipe might have confirmed that Kelsey had Thanksgiving plans with someone else..... A turkey, a ham...

I was thinking about it. A turkey, or a vegetarian dish instead of a turkey? This might be important as it might indicate whether the person shared her faith (then one needs to look at the Adventist church), or not.

(Because in my view, the chance of PF being implicated in her disappearance vs someone else is 85%/15% but still there is about 15% chance, it was someone else...)

What other places can one look at?

- There are several Seventh-Day Adventist churches; one at Woodland Park, one close to Pueblo. I'd check both.

- Also, everyone is thinking about restaurant close to her house; if anything, I'd look at restaurants close to her work; where do pilots hang out after work?

- Work as well; this is one of the places where people would think of the need to warn them about taking time off work.

- last but not least, why would I need to take some time off but not tell anyone?

It is far-fetched - but I thought, a young, beautiful woman, a year postpartum...if not depression, what else might bother her, that she would never share with people?

How her body has changed! Delivery, breastfeeding. This is another possibility - treat oneself to some minor plastic surgery without telling to people around. And either something might go wrong, or simply, these places have never been checked?

 

[Deleted member 169742]

Here’s the thing.

If PF is completely innocent here, and there is no nefarious explanation as to what happened to Kelsey, then he committed one of the worst public relations blunders that anyone in his position has ever committed.

Fine, he didn’t report her missing, all he has to do is explain why.

Fine, he doesn’t feel comfortable making a public plea for her safe return, get someone else to do it for you.

Is it that hard to make a Facebook post, send a Tweet, or distribute fliers for the missing mother of your child?

Those were the two biggest sins on his part.

That’s not normal, and it opens yourself up to tremendous suspicion.

Disaster!

What if he knows who did ... and it is not him, but somebody so close to him .... that he would lose custody of his daughter.

Would you play it different?

 

[Jennifer17]

Here’s the thing.

If PF is completely innocent here, and there is no nefarious explanation as to what happened to Kelsey, then he committed one of the worst public relations blunders that anyone in his position has ever committed.

Fine, he didn’t report her missing, all he has to do is explain why.

Fine, he doesn’t feel comfortable making a public plea for her safe return, get someone else to do it for you.

Is it that hard to make a Facebook post, send a Tweet, or distribute fliers for the missing mother of your child?

Those were the two biggest sins on his part.

That’s not normal, and it opens yourself up to tremendous suspicion.

Disaster!

And another is that he is not communicating with or allowing the other grandmother to see the baby.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Public relations blunders aren't a sin MassGuy.

Facts not emotions.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Here’s the thing.

If PF is completely innocent here, and there is no nefarious explanation as to what happened to Kelsey, then he committed one of the worst public relations blunders that anyone in his position has ever committed.

Fine, he didn’t report her missing, all he has to do is explain why.

Fine, he doesn’t feel comfortable making a public plea for her safe return, get someone else to do it for you.

Is it that hard to make a Facebook post, send a Tweet, or distribute fliers for the missing mother of your child?

Those were the two biggest sins on his part.

That’s not normal, and it opens yourself up to tremendous suspicion.

Disaster!

Totally agree. I think he's screwing up the PR, no matter what his involvement. And the only explanation that even *begins* to make sense would be if he has either never been or has long not been her fiancé...and, therefore, feels it insincere to inject himself into the public coverage of her investigation.

Tho if that were the case, and I were him, I would just say that to the press at this point. Because his current strategy is backfiring.

 

[Seattle1]

Hello!

I have never posted on this site before, but have been an avid reader for about a year now. I apologize if I make any mistakes in this first post. I have only been casually following Kelsey’s case so I also apologize if I’m repeating something that’s already been brought up.

It grabbed my attention that she mentioned she was heading to Soap Lake, WA. I live in Moses Lake, WA which is located in the same county. My step sibling’s mother and family live in Soap Lake, WA. IMO her phone pinging in Idaho would not be very unusual if she truly was heading towards eastern Washington from Colorado. Maybe PF wasn’t lying about that. Maybe it was Kelsey who wasn’t being completely honest as to who she was going to visit. That would explain her not actually being at her grandmother’s. Just throwing something out there. MOO

Welcome to WS!
Reportedly, LE states the last phone ping was Gooding, ID on 11/25 around 5:13pm. It would sure be helpful to all speculating whether or not KB's phone was active, with an electronic trail marking the way to Gooding, Idaho. However, that's not the impression I get. Yes, driving through Gooding to reach Eastern Wa is possible, just don't think it's plausible. MOO

 

[retiredrickyinCO]

A reminder...

I don't think we want this thread shut down again tonight.

If you don't agree with something that is fine... but if you can't post a response that isn't argumentative and somewhat human in nature just scroll & roll - isn't that what we are taught and yet I see that hasn't been mentioned once in all 8 threads - scroll & roll. We all come from different backgrounds and have different levels of expertise. Some also have been victims themselves and some have somewhat jaded views on different topics. But if we can't respond in a kind manner they do recommend to scroll & roll or even block the member if you really can't stand to see what they are posting.

You might not be posting something that is a personal attack but try to be sensitive of what you post, especially when responding to others as it could be construed as offensive to them especially if they have been a victim in the past.

Again, I just don't want to see this thread shut down again.

 

[Bill Carson]

Does it seem to anyone else that when law enforcement "pleads" with PF to sit down with their investigator for an interview, that indicates they have a weak case against him?

If you have a strong case, you don't need an interview---you just arrest the person.

 

[Deleted member 169742]

A new article with nothing new:

Kelsey Berreth’s family relies on faith during her troubling disappearance
Family member unaware of any strain between Berreth and her fiancé

PUBLISHED: December 17, 2018 at 3:04 pm | UPDATED: December 17, 2018 at 3:05 pm

Family members of missing Woodland Park mother Kelsey Berreth are devastated by her disappearance because they know that the reliable young woman would never willingly abandon her family.

“Kelsey’s a sweet, sweet girl. She’s very grounded. She’s a committed, reliable person. I don’t believe for one minute that she would leave on her own without telling her family where she was going,” said Berreth’s cousin, Jodee Garretson, 50, of Pasco, Wash.

As the days and weeks have passed since Berreth disappeared on Thanksgiving Day, Garretson said she is convinced something is wrong. But she doesn’t know what it could be. Although she never met her cousin’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, his reputation within her family is good. She had never heard that there was anything wrong with the relationship.

Family of missing Kelsey Berreth relies on faith

Thank you for sharing

 

[MassGuy]

Public relations blunders aren't a sin MassGuy.

Facts not emotions.

Those things I stated were facts. The public is reacting to them emotionally.

But looking at them logically has the same effect. That’s not what an innocent person does.