CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #9

[PrairieWind]

Of course working dogs are different than pets. But he's the type, IMO, to shoot a dog once it's too old to work.

Holy cow! What do you base that on? Keep in the mind almost all the "abuse" comments about PF came from one person <modsnip>

 

[zecats]

THIS....LOL. We have one of those too. We’ve affectionately named her Harriet Oleson in our home. She can be a real thorn in my side at times, but I’ll tell you what she’d be my savior if I suddenly went missing.

The Gladys Kravitzes (Bewitched) of the world are most useful after all. Hoping Kelsey had one who has told LE much much more.

 

[Curiousobserver]

I think it is possible she went somewhere else with somebody else, possibly someone grabbed her as she was going to her car. Possible but not probable based on the few facts that we know.

The only issue is that the person would need to know to travel in the direction of her family and then know who to send those texts to. You might argue they could guess from the contact entries but its also probable that her phone was locked and they would need her finger or passcode. Adding all those things up, the things that have to go exactly right, this likely had to be someone very close to her (if it wasn't her). Add to this that if you're OK and sending texts to make sure your job is safe, why voluntarily go dark right after that? Assuming PF did this then it would have been far better for him to just text his phone from her home that she was traveling to her family's for the holidays and would be back in two weeks. Then it would have made perfect sense not to report her missing. Traveling to Idaho to do that a few days later puts you at huge risk of discovery. Nothing this kid does makes sense guilty or innocent...

 

[riolove77]

Thursday will be four weeks. Where are you, Kelsey?

 

[BRRI]

I believe I saw in the Daily Mail article a few days ago the cousin, Jodi, said the reason she was reported missing so far after the date will become clear when we know the whole story.

If he was controlling, he may have significantly limited how often KB was able to talk to her mom.

 

[Charlot123]

I think it is possible she went somewhere else with somebody else, possibly someone grabbed her as she was going to her car. Possible but not probable based on the few facts that we know.

The issue is, that someone must know her employer and her family situation very well then. Both PF - to send him a message "from her" that PF would not doubt, and the employer, to.text something that also looks as if it came from her. This would be strange. A person from work would know the work.side, but not PF. The person close to PF might know her situation at work (e.g. who to send the message to), but it will still be very close to PF.

So if I were to look for "someone else", it would be the person close to her work and PF. Where would these two lines cross?

 

[BRRI]

The issue is, that someone must know her employer and her family situation very well then. Both PF - to send him a message "from her" that PF would not doubt, and the employer, to.text something that also looks as if it came from her. This would be strange. A person from work would know the work.side, but not PF. The person close to PF might know her situation at work (e.g. who to send the message to), but it will still be very close to PF.

So if I were to look for "someone else", it would be the person close to her work and PF. Where would these two lines cross?

I just feel that it wouldn’t be difficult for even a stranger to know who to text. If they had her phone, they would see her recent calls and texts and know immediately who to message.

I just checked my texts. My first 5 are from my dad, my mom, my brother, T-Mobile auto text, my husband. All of the contacts are labeled as such too.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Hmm. Does anyone know if forwarded call information is retained in phone records? Could LE tell if he left his phone home and had his calls forwarded to Kelsey’s phone while he drove to it Idaho? And if right before calling her Mom he changed his call forwarding settings to forward any calls his phone received to her Mom’s number?

If that were done, then KF could call his own number and the call would automatically forward to Mom’s phone. I know my caller ID only shows the transferring phone’s information so it would look like he was calling from his own phone . Which would be unattended and pinging in CO the whole time.

I don’t think that’s what happened, but if it had would there be any way to tell?

Yes - the call records would reflect call forwarding.
jmo

 

[Wsimm]

If he was controlling, he may have significantly limited how often KB was able to talk to her mom.

OR at best significantly controlled the time KB spent with her baby....possibly?

 

[Charlot123]

If he was controlling, he may have significantly limited how often KB was able to talk to her mom.

I doubt he behaved in a controlling way to Kelsey. Not outwardly controlling, at least.

 

[gitana1]

This is a really good point.

I have seen many cases on the true crime shows how a guilty person will use known released information to meld into their own timeline of things.

In fact just saw a case on TV the other day which is a perfect example of this. Link below about the case. The person that ended up being convicted was an ex-convict who originally lied about not being at a murdered woman and childrens home and then as more released information came out the suspect had to keep changing his story to match known facts.

I suppose they have to do that because anything that is a true fact of what happened then a POI has to match their story to it or they would be lying.

This goes to show why its important that a lot of things are held close to the vest with LE.

Walking Free

BBM. Of course. And yet some non-professional people feel entitled to that info because they think LE can't solve these cases without the public being privy to info and being allowed to help investigate. And they think they can tell what info should be released as innocuous enough.

Your post shows we indeed cannot determine whether or not certain info needs to be kept private and it shows the various reasons for not releasing seemingly innocuous information.

Good post.

 

[gitana1]

Yes, there is reason to doubt this is true. Since Kelsey is missing, the aunt's info had to have come from PF. JMO.

Unless she told someone before she went missing.

 

[missy1974]

The issue is, that someone must know her employer and her family situation very well then. Both PF - to send him a message "from her" that PF would not doubt, and the employer, to.text something that also looks as if it came from her. This would be strange. A person from work would know the work.side, but not PF. The person close to PF might know her situation at work (e.g. who to send the message to), but it will still be very close to PF.

So if I were to look for "someone else", it would be the person close to her work and PF. Where would these two lines cross?

I have been thinking about this and I don't know if it would have to be someone that knew her well like that. It could be that her phone gave the clues needed to know who to text and who would miss her first. Maybe she had a nickname for PF on her phone? She could have had her bosses number under "work". My kids have goofy names on their phones for me... one is "birth giver". Looking at the texting history, might give someone the clues to know if that other person would be missed. Maybe she didn't text much with her mom, so no text was sent to her. Looking at my own phone, someone could easily see who I text every day and who I don't.

 

[BRRI]

I doubt he behaved in a controlling way to Kelsey. Not outwardly controlling, at least.

Oh I do. If he was controlling in nature, he likely started off discretely doing it, but by now, 2+ years later, it was probably full control. It doesn’t take long to escalate.

 

[Gardener1850]

the neighbor said the cars were parked like that (KBs facing in, PFs across the back of them) routinely.......

I didn't see the word "routinely" used.

Here is the link to the neighbor's interview that describes the parking on Thanksgiving day:
Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’

If there is another one where she said he "routinely" parked that way, please direct me to that link. Thanks.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Holy cow! What do you base that on? Keep in the mind almost all the "abuse" comments about PF came from one person who appears to be a bit of a crackpot herself.

Woa. Crackpot?
Many of us have seen the video with PF having dogs chained to fence, biting cows face, him saying he would be better cutting his hand off than keeping the dog, poor dog scared to pieces. also it's not just one person that came forward to mention he's abusive to animals.

 

[BRRI]

I have been thinking about this and I don't know if it would have to be someone that knew her well like that. It could be that her phone gave the clues needed to know who to text and who would miss her first. Maybe she had a nickname for PF on her phone? She could have had her bosses number under "work". My kids have goofy names on their phones for me... one is "birth giver". Looking at the texting history, might give someone the clues to know if that other person would be missed. Maybe she didn't text much with her mom, so no text was sent to her. Looking at my own phone, someone could easily see who I text every day and who I don't.

Yes exactly. Anyone who had my phone could see exactly who to text without any effort

 

[UnicornDragon]

Holy cow! What do you base that on? Keep in the mind almost all the "abuse" comments about PF came from one person who appears to be a bit of a crackpot herself.

The quote is one that was all over one or more of the private FB groups, directly, word for word. And at least one of the groups found the person pretty suspect. But MSM picked it up, so apparently we can use it.

But did MSM start from the Daily Mail, which is just tabloid junk?

 

[GordianKnot]

I think the financial difficulties PF was having per KB's mom are an important piece of this puzzle. IMO, there is a high probability monetary issues played a significant role in her disappearance, possibly in a number of different ways.

 

[susiQ]

I wonder if whoever did this, did so in a way that would be hard to be caught. A random place, outdoors, where dogs would have difficulty locating the spot. Otherwise, why make the effort to drive to Idaho? If you kill in a house, or in a commonly known space, you have to assume that dogs could smell that. The effort to drive all the way to Idaho with her phone would be silly at that point. You would know police would be searching her house, PF’s house, PF’s land, nearby land. I personally wouldn’t then take the effort to drive 1200+ miles to send a text.

Very interesting tidbits regarding pings.......

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps&hl=en

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