CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #9

[tmar]

I agree. And I will judge as well. Let someone try to abuse an animal around me.

Google Scholar

https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.e...=The_Relationship_of_Animal_Abuse_to_Viol.pdf

Animal Cruelty

Understanding the Link Between Animal Abuse and Family Violence
gitana1,

I have noticed, over the years with my friends, neighbours, work colleagues, acquaintances, those that do not like animals, make derogatory animal comments, or have treated their pets poorly, in time their character is visibly undesirable in other aspects, and I certainly limit my time with them.

 

[Seattle1]

My 2cents has KB using her phone, sending texts while flying over the Gooding phone tower; hence the ping recorded, while en route Washington. If there's no plane missing, then someone has given her a ride in a plane and they daren't speak up, or they'd lose their job for taking her with them. All my opinion only. .

If KB arrived WA -- since she allegedly wanted to visit ailing family, why wouldn't she let her "family" know that she is safe? I mean she obviously never made it to WA... MOO

 

[Charlot123]

My 2cents has KB using her phone, sending texts while flying over the Gooding phone tower; hence the ping recorded, while en route Washington. If there's no plane missing, then someone has given her a ride in a plane and they daren't speak up, or they'd lose their job for taking her with them. All my opinion only. .

I, too, so want it to be true.

 

[tmar]

As I am reading it, my cat is snoring next to me. She usually purrs, but now she fell asleep and is snoring, or maybe she is seeing dreams and talking in her sleep.

You must add your lovely cat avatar to your post.
You need to show her off.
She is so comfortable with you, snoring away, while you help in solving this case.

 

[tmar]

IMO KB "relationship troubles" quotes that were pinned are starting to jive with this new information coming in about PF behavior. I feel like the pieces are slowly starting to fall into place.
Writestuff

I agree Writestuff.
I am hoping for 'breaking news' very soon.
MOO.

 

[moonlessnight]

but the aunt came on WS long enough to verify that PF picked up the child at KB's townhouse after Safeway. So there are more inconsistencies.

Yes, but we do not know the source of her information. The latest is that Kelsey's Mother requested her statement and/or post removed:

On December 3, the day after Cheryl reported her missing, an aunt wrote in a Facebook group: 'Our niece is missing and has not been seen for a week. Her phone was last pinged near Gooding, Idaho. She told her ex when she dropped off their baby that she was heading to family in Washington. Please help us get the word out to the truckers in that area last week. If anyone has seen her contact the authorities immediately.'

'She broke up with her ex on Thanksgiving, he said she dropped off the baby and was heading to Soap Lake, Washington to visit. No one knew anything about the visit.'

Kelsey's cousin JoDee Garretson, 50, confirmed to DailyMail.com that the message was posted by an aunt who is Cheryl's sister.

Garretson said she didn't know if the information was correct and revealed Kelsey's mother later asked the aunt to take the post down.

The message adds another dimension to the mystery surrounding this case as police and Cheryl have said Frazee and Kelsey were engaged but not living together.
Police reveal missing Colorado mom left freshly baked cinnamon rolls in her kitchen | Daily Mail Online

 

[Charlot123]

I think this is spectacularly unlikely.

Where was she for the 3 days in between her last public sighting?

Law enforcement has looked at this possibility, and now believes that her disappearance is suspicious.

Air travel is tracked, people talk, cell phones give off location information, and airports have security cameras.

What did she do when she landed in Washington?

What was her intent?

Someone who knew exactly what they were doing, couldn’t pull something like that off.

What makes you think she could or would?

She had a baby too. Why would she leave her?

There’s far more likely alternatives here.

Horrible ones.

Evil ones.

 

[Jennifer17]

but the aunt came on WS long enough to verify that PF picked up the child at KB's townhouse after Safeway. So there are more inconsistencies.

I really do think that the aunt was not supposed to give the other version and then fell in with his version. Because she was told to. You will notice that she really hasn't been back since then.

 

[tmar]

I can't imagine an article like this latest helping to induce PF to decide to speak to LE...his lawyer will surely say his client has already been demonized in the media. Jmo
cluciano63

Terrific, cluciano about media presenting this new info about the 'quiet, good guy'.
Hope there is more to come.
We'll be waiting.
MOO.

 

[tmar]

Ut Oh. I'd better not watch. I cannot abide even the hint of cruelty to animals..any animal. This guy goes farther and farther down the ladder rungs every day. And it's scary to think how he could have acted with Kelsey. Hope that little baby girl is really and truly safe in his custody.
zecats,

Yes zecats.
Releasing PF's cruelty to animals has certainly 'let him completely fall off the ladder'.

Poor Kelsey, what she may have experienced, in her relationship.
I certainly hope, this isn't the case.
I frown on animal cruelty and hope such people get their ugly actions broadcast everywhere, as is happening in this case.
Let us hope, there is another explanation to Kelsey's disappearance.
MOO.

 

[Seattle1]

but the aunt came on WS long enough to verify that PF picked up the child at KB's townhouse after Safeway. So there are more inconsistencies.

Nothing inconsistent about PF collecting child Thanksgiving afternoon -- that's what he told LE.

 

[tmar]

Let's hope the truck talks
2trustworthy

It would be so disappointing if another vehicle has been used for transport.

 

[tmar]

It seems odd that she would take the child to Safeway only to rush home and exchange her with PF. As a parent, I avoided taking my children to the grocery store like the plague! Why wouldn't she wait to go shopping until after the exchange? This makes it appear there was never a plan to do an exchange that day.
Steelhead

Steelhead.
The point you have raised is important.
PF probably wasn't expected at that time, as Kelsey put in a great effort in bringing her baby to Safeway.
If PF's visit was planned, for him to collect the child at that time, she could have gone to Safeway later, without lugging the child.
Unless she needed something at Safeway, and surely if they planned to be together later, he could have driven her there.
MOO.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

The Christmas tree isn’t resting with me. CB explained in her interview that “KB had been excited to decorate for Christmas and excited about that, but she thought maybe her fiancé and K were planning to get the Christmas tree themselves and so she was holding off on buying something”. CB further elaborated that KB was curious as to what others in the family were requesting as gifts on their list.....A lot of information given here! I just have a feeling the portion about the fiancé and K getting the tree themselves was intentionally added, but I can’t explain why?
Also, can’t remember if CB mentioned it in this interview or another, but she made mention of KB’s appearance in the Safeway video, specifically her hair I believe. No blow out or straight iron needed for a trip to cut down a Christmas tree...Right?

Imo, mom oddly mentioned this because she is worried that Kelsey got in Patrick's car or truck to go get that Christmas tree and she never returned home.

 

[tmar]

Haaaaa. It was reported in the latest Daily Mail article on this case.

A horse didn’t take kindly to him, and kicked him square in the head.

He had to go to the hospital.

Poetic justice, if the animal abuse stories are true.

Let us hope we hear about the dogs he has hurt, with them taking hunks out of him due to his cruelty.
MOO.

 

[gitana1]

And this how it should be absent a subpœna, if one has decent friends.

I take the quote to mean they aren't talking to the media? I would think decent friends would absolutely talk to LE without a subpoena.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

PF is going to need a lot of cash to pay his attorney fees. Maybe he'll have to sell his abused animals. I hope people following this case will go buy all of them and find them new homes.

 

[tmar]

PF is going to need a lot of cash to pay his attorney fees. Maybe he'll have to sell his abused animals. I hope people following this case will go buy all of them and find them new homes.

Hope he gets a visit from the Abused Animal Centre (whatever called there) and the animals are found new homes, with PF not benefiting, but also obtaining a fine.

 

[gitana1]

Let us hope we hear about the dogs he has hurt, with them taking hunks out of him due to his cruelty.
MOO.

Yes. And to clarify, as I read some posts contending the animal abuse stuff is nonsense, training a dog is not the issue. Beating animals or training with extreme force or fear, is.

Those of us who saw the dog "training" video saw something wrong. Scared six month old dogs that he seemed to relish calling "", which, yes, I know is a technical, dog breeding term and innocuous, but which he seemed to take some odd pleasure in using, (I can't explain that. It's his tone and emphasis. Just weird), chained on short chains to a fence, being made to lunge at a terrified group of calves.

As to the allegations by others of animal abuse, some keep insisting that one person making that allegation means nothing. It's not one person. It's two people with exceedingly detailed observations. And a third person who said he has heard mixed reports about PF's treatment of animals.

So there is some evidence from three, separate sources that he has a temper and a streak of cruelty.

And no, this isn't about differing attitudes toward animals, depending on whether you are a tough cowboy or not. Yes, ranchers brand and castrate animals and that stuff is brutal. But that is different from beating a horse out of anger or terrorizing animals you don't use for meat, as a form of "training".

Also, someone said of this was true he wouldn't have a business. Well KB's mother reported that the couple weren't getting married due to financial issues. It's a small ranch and it doesn't seem this dude who lives with mommy, had much.

I'd say maybe his business wasn't doing so well.

But abusers may not treat someone else's children or animals with the sameviolence that they treat their own. That doesn't mean they aren't violent.



On another note, comments by a baby or toddler can and have been used against a perp whether or not the child is old enough to be interviewed. The last thing PF would want, IMO, is his baby saying "mama owwie" to her grandmother.

In the Jason Young case Michelle Young's two year old daughter played with dolls at daycare after the murder and talked about mommy having boo boos all over and getting "spanked" for biting. She acted out with two dolls, one hitting the other.

The daycare worker was allowed to testify to this and to reenact what she saw with the dolls:

Teacher: Daughter re-enacted Michelle Young's death with dolls :: WRAL.com

 

[Jennifer17]

Yes. And to clarify, as I read some posts contending the animal abuse stuff is nonsense, training a dog is not the issue. Beating animals or training with extreme force or fear, is.

Those of us who saw the dog "training" video saw something wrong. Scared six month old dogs that he seemed to relish calling "", which, yes, I know is a technical, dog breeding term and innocuous, but which he seemed to take some odd pleasure in using, (I can't explain that. It's his tone and emphasis. Just weird), chained on short chains to a fence, being made to lunge at a terrified group of calves.

As to the allegations by others of animal abuse, some keep insisting that one person making that allegation means nothing. It's not one person. It's two people with exceedingly detailed observations. And a third person who said he has heard mixed reports about PF's treatment of animals.

So there is some evidence from three, separate sources that he has a temper and a streak of cruelty.

And no, this isn't about differing attitudes toward animals, depending on whether you are a tough cowboy or not. Yes, ranchers brand and castrate animals and that stuff is brutal. But that is different from beating a horse out of anger or terrorizing animals you don't use for meat, as a form of "training".

Also, someone said of this was true he wouldn't have a business. Well KB's mother reported that the couple weren't getting married due to financial issues. It's a small ranch and it doesn't seem this dude who lives with mommy, had much.

I'd say maybe his business wasn't doing so well.

But abusers may not treat someone else's children or animals with the sameviolence that they treat their own. That doesn't mean they aren't violent.



On another note, comments by a baby or toddler can and have been used against a perp whether or not the child is old enough to be interviewed. The last thing PF would want, IMO, is his baby saying "mama owwie" to her grandmother.

In the Jason Young case Michelle Young's two year old daughter played with dolls at daycare after the murder and talked about mommy having boo boos all over and getting "spanked" for biting. She acted out with two dolls, one hitting the other.

The daycare worker was allowed to testify to this and to reenact what she saw with the dolls:

Teacher: Daughter re-enacted Michelle Young's death with dolls :: WRAL.com

Yes and he revelled in calling the females . His voice seemed to go up when he could call female dogs .
I know pedigreed dog breeders and they do not call their female dogs, with that harshness that he spoke about those dogs like they were produce.