CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #9

[Denvergirl]

According to police, it was an anonymous donor that offered the reward for the location OR safe return of KB
Anonymous donor offering $25,000 for information leading to missing mom, Kelsey Berreth

I’ve seen some speculation that it might be her employer.

 

[Lhughessk]

So when you say 'left on her own', you mean that she was alive when she left her house, not that her intention was to go on an adventure to other states. I believe that may very well be true. But what she took with her and what she left behind suggests to me that she didn't plan to be away for long.

Exactly. That’s what I’m suggesting. That she was lured away under the pretense of some short term errand. Going to get a Christmas tree has been suggested, and we know that was already on her mind from her mother’s statements.

 

[Seattle1]

JMO
Been thinking about the sideways parking. It would be real interesting to know if that was unusual or if he did that all the time.

One thing about doing that is if the truck was parked like I think it was then it hides a lane leading up to his trucks door. It would give a somewhat hidden path to one of the doors. Either passenger door or drivers door.

Trying to draw it below. This may not come out but will try to draw a picture. The "vvv" is the hidden lane leading up to either the front driver door or passenger door of the sideways parked vehicle.

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KB's residence did not include a garage, and most likely only included 2 parking spaces. Since KB also owned 2 vehicles, her visitor stall was in constant use requiring PF to park behind her parked vehicles as not to impede the driveway or illegally park in space owned by other. I also believe this was normal for PF when stopping by, and not to hide the door entrances. MOO

 

[Kapua]

Exactly. That’s what I’m suggesting. That she was lured away under the pretense of some short term errand. Going to get a Christmas tree has been suggested, and we know that was already on her mind from her mother’s statements.

Yes, or going out to dinner, which CB mentioned as a possibility. I think this is highly likely because LE did not process her home as a crime scene and didn't mention 'signs of a struggle'.

 

[jaspermac]

I wonder if one of the reasons we haven't heard anything from neighbours etc before yesterday is because PF hasn't talked to the police. The police may have asked people not to talk so that PF can't create his story around what others are saying. So this neighbour that is saying she saw his truck there between 1230 and 1, who knows what time PF, through his lawyer told police he picked up K or if it was even at KB's house. Maybe police are now telling some witnesses to release specific information to put pressure on PF, so he starts to see the holes the police see, so he starts to become a bit unhinged instead of calm and cool. Its just strange that they are starting to slowly talk now. It seems orchestrated for a purpose.

 

[Hatfield]

KB's residence did not include a garage, and most likely only included 2 parking spaces. Since KB also owned 2 vehicles, her visitor stall was in constant use requiring PF to park behind her parked vehicles as not to impede the driveway or illegally park in space owned by other. I also believe this was normal for PF when stopping by, and not to hide the door entrances. MOO

Thats possible too although when I saw pictures of her parking lot I thought the parking lot is pretty large and there seemed to be room directly behind her vehicles as the parking lot in front of the duplexes looked rather large.

The neighbor may know whether it was something he did every time he showed up there or not.

 

[1wonderleads2another]

According to police, it was an anonymous donor that offered the reward for the location OR safe return of KB
Anonymous donor offering $25,000 for information leading to missing mom, Kelsey Berreth

Playing devil’s advocate what if $25,000 donation came from PF. Would that change the opinion of those that are 100% sure he’s guilty?

And if you feel he’s guilty and if he’s the 25k donor that makes you feel he’s more guilty....then PF is absolutely correct to not speak to LE or the media. MOO If innocent PFs life is already ruined.

Also having followed this case since the beginning, only verified information I have seen is texts were from KBs phone to her job and PF on 11/25. Mom called PF on 12/2 and shortly after called police and teported KB missing. JMO (but based on MSM and police timelines to arrive at my opinion)

If PF was involved he got a HUGE assist from KBs family and friends that no one noticed (enough) from 11/23 to 12/1 that they hadn’t heard from her/she wasn’t responding to calls and texts. I blame her family and friends for not reporting her missing more than PF (assuming they were not an active couple and her 11/25 text said something along the lines of ‘don’t call me I’ll call you’) Even the information from the aunt (that could be based on CB convo with PF on 12/2) was that PF said KB went to visit family, if any KB relatives heard that info before 12/2, then it’s even more baffling they didn’t report her missing until 12/2.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

True, but sad they only took it seriously from Dec 2. I may be wrong, maybe they got suspicious before CB reported her missing "officially". Was it on Nov. 25th she requested a welfare check on Kelsey? Perhaps he was the one that started the story that they broke up. This would buy him more time as loved ones would consider maybe she was distraught and needed time alone? Or, did he tell them she broke it off and implied she ran off with someone? We don't know what PF said to CB when she first reached him but I'm sure it raised serious questions in the mind of her family. If he did it, he had a number of days to come up with a "story" and get rid of evidence without scrutiny.

Also with him having family in LE wouldn't it make sense that they would be more apt to take his word over a civilian that they don't know.
Please don't take this as I think there was a cover up.
It's just that They wouldn't necessarily believe there is reason to suspect something is off,especially if someone they know and trust is involved.
This could be a routine they will show back up soon not much to worry about thing for them.
So unless there was blood,or obvious signs of a struggle they wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

 

[BRRI]

Has this been posted yet? KB’s house: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/269-E-Lake-Ave-Woodland-Park-CO-80863/62719652_zpid/

 

[Lhughessk]

Yes, or going out to dinner, which CB mentioned as a possibility. I think this is highly likely because LE did not process her home as a crime scene and didn't mention 'signs of a struggle'.

If it was PF, then he’s very smart to not have a sit down with police. Let’s say he tried to think through every eventuality. He could’ve realized that it would be A bad idea for both of their phones to be in the same place at the same time moving away from her house. So perhaps he left his phone at home. That way he could stay later that when he went to pick up the baby, he forgot his phone. But, If he were having a sit down with police, he may not remember that. Where they might trip him up with an innocuous question like, “now did Kelsey know that you were heading over there? “And he might blurt out that yes, he called her while he was on his way. Then he would be busted, because they would already know that his phone wasn’t used.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I’ve seen some speculation that it might be her employer.

Who ever it is I am thankful.

 

[mistivon]

Pf couldn't have been at her house waiting for her to get back from the store if indeed he was parked behind her cars. It would have had to been closer to 1 if that part is true assuming she drove to the store.
Did he have a key?
Maybe she realized she forgot something at the store and he offered to run her back up there.

Interesting to think like perp but remember he probably had a crying baby making it hard to think. Add to that bored small town cops on a major holiday and i think she might be closer than we think.

 

[Smoneywcbs]

Thats possible too although when I saw pictures of her parking lot I thought the parking lot is pretty large and there seemed to be room directly behind her vehicles as the parking lot in front of the duplexes looked rather large.

The neighbor may know whether it was something he did every time he showed up there or not.

Whenever I’ve parked behind cars like that, it’s because I’m popping in and out of somewhere quickly, even leaving my car running. This, to me, indicates that PF was hurriedly picking up his daughter, not wanting to stay longer than needed. Which matches the rumors of a break up. If a couple are happily engaged, they share time together with their child, they don’t take turns with the child. Especially on Thanksgiving.

 

[BRRI]

Seeing her house, I think it would have been pretty difficult to carry her out in daylight, especially with a baby in the picture. Her house has houses on all sides. (Unless he carried her out quickly in a bag?) I feel if she was killed in the house, the dogs would have hit on it, and we would likely know it’s a homicide investigation. They said they still have hope to believe that she’s alive. JMO though.

 

[jillianelaine]

I wonder if one of the reasons we haven't heard anything from neighbours etc before yesterday is because PF hasn't talked to the police. The police may have asked people not to talk so that PF can't create his story around what others are saying. So this neighbour that is saying she saw his truck there between 1230 and 1, who knows what time PF, through his lawyer told police he picked up K or if it was even at KB's house. Maybe police are now telling some witnesses to release specific information to put pressure on PF, so he starts to see the holes the police see, so he starts to become a bit unhinged instead of calm and cool. Its just strange that they are starting to slowly talk now. It seems orchestrated for a purpose.

After sifting through nearly 2000 investigative pages related to another crime in Colorado I was nothing short of amazed of all the behind the scenes activity. I wouldn't be surprised to discover that the police have all sorts of electronic proof in terms of video and phone records which substantiated the search warrant and later, an arrest. Nor would I be surprised to find to they are doing exactly what you have suggested. Slowly egging him on with what they already know.

 

[Seattle1]

I wonder if one of the reasons we haven't heard anything from neighbours etc before yesterday is because PF hasn't talked to the police. The police may have asked people not to talk so that PF can't create his story around what others are saying. So this neighbour that is saying she saw his truck there between 1230 and 1, who knows what time PF, through his lawyer told police he picked up K or if it was even at KB's house. Maybe police are now telling some witnesses to release specific information to put pressure on PF, so he starts to see the holes the police see, so he starts to become a bit unhinged instead of calm and cool. Its just strange that they are starting to slowly talk now. It seems orchestrated for a purpose.

Good morning! On #News5Today-- @SamKraemerTV spoke with one of Kelsey Berreth's neighbors about what happened the day she disappeared:
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Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’
(Video at link)

The video of neighbor at link above is telling. IMO, it is not rehearsed, and she appears to speak freely and clearly. She only requested her identity not revealed for privacy from media.

 

[jaspermac]

The video of neighbor at link above is telling. IMO, it is not rehearsed, and she appears to speak freely and clearly. She only requested her identity not revealed for privacy from media.

I wasn't trying to say it was rehearsed or not true. I was trying to say that maybe the police went to her and said release your info to the press now. Because 1. Maybe through his lawyer PF gave a different time and location for picking up K. 2. To show PF that he doesn't have it all under control and start to make him crack a bit.

 

[esayer]

My 2cents has KB using her phone, sending texts while flying over the Gooding phone tower; hence the ping recorded, while en route Washington. If there's no plane missing, then someone has given her a ride in a plane and they daren't speak up, or they'd lose their job for taking her with them. All my opinion only. .

The place where she worked said no planes had been used or were missing recently MOO

 

[Hatfield]

I wonder if one of the reasons we haven't heard anything from neighbours etc before yesterday is because PF hasn't talked to the police. The police may have asked people not to talk so that PF can't create his story around what others are saying. So this neighbour that is saying she saw his truck there between 1230 and 1, who knows what time PF, through his lawyer told police he picked up K or if it was even at KB's house. Maybe police are now telling some witnesses to release specific information to put pressure on PF, so he starts to see the holes the police see, so he starts to become a bit unhinged instead of calm and cool. Its just strange that they are starting to slowly talk now. It seems orchestrated for a purpose.

This is a really good point.

I have seen many cases on the true crime shows how a guilty person will use known released information to meld into their own timeline of things.

In fact just saw a case on TV the other day which is a perfect example of this. Link below about the case. The person that ended up being convicted was an ex-convict who originally lied about not being at a murdered woman and childrens home and then as more released information came out the suspect had to keep changing his story to match known facts.

I suppose they have to do that because anything that is a true fact of what happened then a POI has to match their story to it or they would be lying.

This goes to show why its important that a lot of things are held close to the vest with LE.

Walking Free

 

[Gardener1850]

Did Kelsey's Aunt state that Kelsey and her boyfriend had broke up? If so, is there reason to doubt this is true?

Yes, there is reason to doubt this is true. Since Kelsey is missing, the aunt's info had to have come from PF. JMO.