CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

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Thank you @steeltowngirl for your list. It's so helpful and will be even more so in the days ahead. It's awesome!
 
  • #1,602
I try to be compassionate, even for suspects' family members during a time like this. I know it's a horrifying and shocking experience for these families, and their pain is enormous when it's their loved one that is the murderer- they get practically no understanding at all in the public or community. They get those looks and comments in public for the rest of their days. With social media, it's hard for them to even move away, someone always finds them.

That said, going by what Cheryl said on the witness stand, I have absolutely not one shred of sympathy for her or that family- the granddaughter of a "hooker", in granny's eyes, she and her son wanted so called custody of? That same mother she tossed that "hooker" on her tail when she found out she was pregnant with this child they allegedly wanted custody of? The same woman who was shunned and made to go out on the deck outside when the sister came over to visit?

If I am on the jury listening to all of this- my usual sympathy for some suspects' families would be shot to hell. If anything, who would have blamed Kelsey if she didn't take the baby and run as far away as she could from those classless, cold hearted monsters. That's a family I wouldn't go near with a ten foot pole.
I wonder why it was specified that she was forced to wait outside when only the sister came over. What about the brother and his wife, or SF herself?
What was it about the sister being there that they didn't want KB in the house?
Did she have a particular dislike for her? Did she refuse to be in the same house with her? Why just the sister?
 
  • #1,603
Can a witness in a trial answer some questions and take the 5th on others while testifying?

If so and if SF does invoke her right it would be interesting to hear which ones she answers and which ones she doesn’t.
 
  • #1,604
Preparing for next week’s witnesses, I made a list of places and names to help remind myself. All are from warrants and / or MSM. Not perfect by far, but sharing with you all, feel free to scroll and roll if it’s not useful.

STATE V. FRAZEE: VICTIM, DEFENDANT
Kelsey Berreth - missing, presumed deceased, victim
Patrick Frazee - former boyfriend of Kelsey, defendant in murder trial

KEY WITNESS
Krystal Jean Kenney Lee - former girlfriend of Frazee, guilty plea deal to felony tampering

COURT
Scott Sells - Judge
Dan May - District Attorney
Jennifer Viehman - prosecutor
Jeremy Loew - PF original defense attorney
Adam Steigerwald - PF current defense attorney
Ashley Porter - PF defense team

BERRETH FAMILY
Cheryl Berreth - mother of KB
Darrell Berreth - father of KB
Clint Berreth - brother of PF
Kaylee Berreth - minor child of KB and PF
Ed Stanfill - KB uncle
Jodee Garretson - KB cousin

KB ACQUAINTANCES
Merle Merriak - KB supervisor at Doss Aviation
Ashley Cogburn - KB Best friend
Amanda Smith - friend of KB
Nicole Haywood - friend of KB
Eric Lowe - KB former bf and Southwest pilot
Alvaro Sauza - pastor at Sandpoint Seventh Day Adventist Church

FRAZEE FAMILY
Sheila Frazee - PF mother
Sean Frazee - PF brother, police officer
Erin Frazee - PF sister

PF ACQUAINTANCES
Vanessa Curie - PF former gf
Clinton Cline - friend of PF
Robert Slagle - best friend and “father figure” to PF
Elaine Slagle- wife of Robert

KRYSTAL KENNEY FAMILY & ACQUAINTANCES
Chad Lee - ex husband of KK
Kristi - KK aunt, with KK for Starbucks and Vegas trips
Susie Runser - Wendell Idaho - 10 min from Malad Gorge
Meghan Garrison - friend of KK, switched cars for KK trip
Michelle Stein - friend of KK, former paralegal of Rockstahls
Laura Stutzman - friend of KK from rodeo circuit
Mark Pearson - received KB gun from KK

INVESTIGATORS
Agent Kevin Torres - interviewed PF at Five Guys restaurant
Chief Miles DeYoung - Woodland Park Police Chief
Corporal Currin - Woodland Park PD
Officer B Huber - Woodland Park PD
Agent Gregg Slater - CBI
Agent Kevin Torres - CBI
Tanya Atkinson - Crime scene investigator
Jerry Meams - arson investigator at Frazee ranch for burn area
Kevin Holland - FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team
Corporal Koski - interviewed neighbor
Detective McDaniel - interviewed ENT bank manager
Commander Chris Adams - WPPD, reviewed Walmart video
Dispatcher Nina Allmond - reviewed Williams video
Mary Longmire - DHS Custody, interviewed PF in jail

MISC PLACES / PERSONS OF INTEREST
KB townhome in Woodland Park
Frazee ranch in Florissant
Leslie Jackson - KB Neighbor with surveillance camera
Safeway in Woodland Park - last place KB seen, video evidence
Starbucks at Walmart - KK gets coffee late September 2018 to give to KB
Williams Log Furniture - surveillance camera
Walmart - PF visited 11/22 afternoon
Patricia Key - Woodland Park ENT Bank Manager
Conoco - gas station in Florissant with video of PF and KK filling jug
Sonic - Woodland Park fast food restaurant, video of KK at drive thru
Nash Ranch - allegation that PF stored KB body on hay
UPS driver that dropped of KB2 ornament gift after missing
Utility worker dropped off notice at KB home after missing
Sheila McCorkle Frazee - FB post during TV Wizard of Oz ‘witch is dead’
Michelle Bartlome - spokesperson at St Luke’s Health System in Idaho (KK nursing employer)
Nedley Clinic CA -KB admitted for depression /nutrition in August 2018
Joe Rockstahl - attorney and M Stein former employer, were told of plot
Patty Rockstahl - Wife of Joe, M Stein former employer
 
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Yes that, and the crocodile tears will help.
omg please please not the crocodile tears with the "Sniff, sniff". Someone on tv played a clip of that again...I wanted to throw up.
sniff, sniff.....sniff, sniff...sniff, sniff....
ugh!
 
  • #1,606
That's what narcs do. They isolate their victims. I prefer the word "serpent", like in the Garden of Eden. Look where that landed us. Evil does not embrace the light, because the light exposes the works of darkness. KB was that light and they could NOT bear it. Sadly, it took her brutal death to expose the darkness that is PF and his mother. JMHO
So, so very true!
 
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Can a witness in a trial answer some questions and take the 5th on others while testifying?

If so and if SF does invoke her right it would be interesting to hear which ones she answers and which ones she doesn’t.
Yes, they can.
And I agree.

It's going to be extremely telling to see which questions Ma decides not to answer on the grounds that to do so may incriminate her, which is to say, it would definitely incriminate her.

Strategically, if I'm the prosecution team, my leadoff question to SF is going to be one that I know she'll plead the 5th on.

She's going to be antagonistic toward the prosecution team, that goes without saying.
I think her hostility will be palpable to those jurors.

The jury's already heard about what a sweet lady she is.
She's so sweet that she booted out her son's pregnant gf when she found out KB was pregnant, leaving her effectively homeless.
She's so sweet that she and her daughter booted KB outside whenever twisted sister came to the franch.

Talk about a sweetie beauty.
That's one sweetie beauty of a human being right there!

The jury has already likely formed a negative impression of SF based on
CB's testimony, which is all to the good for Team Kelsey.

It's important that the jury's first impression of SF on the stand further cement in their minds that she's a person who's trying to hide, not reveal, the truth.

If the prosecution can get Ma to plead the 5th right off the bat, the jury will not trust her, nor will they sympathize with her.

She's not a sympathetic maternal figure in this tragedy, whatsoever.
The defense won't be able to play their violin concerto when she's on the stand.
Ain't nobody in the jury box gonna' want to listen to that racket.

JMO.
 
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Posts have been removed.

Posts made on Websleuths belong to Websleuths. They are not allowed to be copied externally without Tricia's permission.

The "member" being discussed was not a Verified Insider and could have been anyone saying anything. That aside, outing members and/or sleuthing family of the victim or accused is not allowed.

ETA: Copying and discussing deleted posts is not allowed.
 
  • #1,609
Can a witness in a trial answer some questions and take the 5th on others while testifying?

If so and if SF does invoke her right it would be interesting to hear which ones she answers and which ones she doesn’t.
Yes, a witness may be selective when invoking 5th Amendment during testimony whereas the defendant may not.
 
  • #1,610
omg please please not the crocodile tears with the "Sniff, sniff". Someone on tv played a clip of that again...I wanted to throw up.
sniff, sniff.....sniff, sniff...sniff, sniff....
ugh!
I guess we can all thank Judge Sells for not putting us through that again :eek: He just didn't want us all getting sick at once :)
 
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I wonder why it was specified that she was forced to wait outside when only the sister came over. What about the brother and his wife, or SF herself?
What was it about the sister being there that they didn't want KB in the house?
Did she have a particular dislike for her? Did she refuse to be in the same house with her? Why just the sister?

I missed the part about KB having to wait outside when his sister EF was visiting the Frazee ranch. Was it in an article? TIA
 
  • #1,612
I missed the part about KB having to wait outside when his sister EF was visiting the Frazee ranch. Was it in an article? TIA
It was one of the things that CB said Kelsey told her during her testimony, along with a description of how SF viewed her as a hooker because she went to the ranch after working late hours. Imo
 
  • #1,613
I missed the part about KB having to wait outside when his sister EF was visiting the Frazee ranch. Was it in an article? TIA
Not in published report. CB made the statement during her courtroom testimony on Friday (reported by member that was present).
 
  • #1,614
Not in published report. CB made the statement during her courtroom testimony on Friday (reported by member that was present).

Thank you! I’ll go back and read. :)
 
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Preparing for next week’s witnesses, I made a list of places and names to help remind myself. All are from warrants and / or MSM. Not perfect by far, but sharing with you all, feel free to scroll and roll if it’s not useful.

STATE V. FRAZEE: VICTIM, DEFENDANT
Kelsey Berreth - missing, presumed deceased, victim
Patrick Frazee - former boyfriend of Kelsey, defendant in murder trial

KEY WITNESS
Krystal Jean Kenney Lee - former girlfriend of Frazee, guilty plea deal to felony tampering

COURT
Scott Sells - Judge
Dan May - District Attorney
Jennifer Viehman - prosecutor
Jeremy Loew - PF original defense attorney
Adam Steigerwald - PF current defense attorney
Ashley Porter - PF defense team

BERRETH FAMILY
Cheryl Berreth - mother of KB
Darrell Berreth - father of KB
Clint Berreth - brother of PF
Kaylee Berreth - minor child of KB and PF
Ed Stanfill - KB uncle
Jodee Garretson - KB cousin

KB ACQUAINTANCES
Merle Merriak - KB supervisor at Doss Aviation
Ashley Cogburn - KB Best friend
Amanda Smith - friend of KB
Nicole Haywood - friend of KB
Eric Lowe - KB former bf and Southwest pilot
Alvaro Sauza - pastor at Sandpoint Seventh Day Adventist Church

FRAZEE FAMILY
Sheila Frazee - PF mother
Sean Frazee - PF brother, police officer
Erin Frazee - PF sister

PF ACQUAINTANCES
Vanessa Curie - PF former gf
Clinton Cline - friend of PF
Robert Slagle - best friend and “father figure” to PF
Elaine Slagle- wife of Robert

KRYSTAL KENNEY FAMILY & ACQUAINTANCES
Chad Lee - ex husband of KK
Kristi - KK aunt, with KK for Starbucks and Vegas trips
Susie Runser - Wendell Idaho - 10 min from Malad Gorge
Meghan Garrison - friend of KK, switched cars for KK trip
Michelle Stein - friend of KK, former paralegal of Rockstahls
Laura Stutzman - friend of KK from rodeo circuit
Mark Pearson - received KB gun from KK

INVESTIGATORS
Agent Kevin Torres - interviewed PF at Five Guys restaurant
Chief Miles DeYoung - Woodland Park Police Chief
Corporal Currin - Woodland Park PD
Officer B Huber - Woodland Park PD
Agent Gregg Slater - CBI
Agent Kevin Torres - CBI
Tanya Atkinson - Crime scene investigator
Jerry Meams - arson investigator at Frazee ranch for burn area
Kevin Holland - FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team
Corporal Koski - interviewed neighbor
Detective McDaniel - interviewed ENT bank manager
Commander Chris Adams - WPPD, reviewed Walmart video
Dispatcher Nina Allmond - reviewed Williams video
Mary Longmire - DHS Custody, interviewed PF in jail

MISC PLACES / PERSONS OF INTEREST
KB townhome in Woodland Park
Frazee ranch in Florissant
Leslie Jackson - KB Neighbor with surveillance camera
Safeway in Woodland Park - last place KB seen, video evidence
Starbucks at Walmart - KK gets coffee late September 2018 to give to KB
Williams Log Furniture - surveillance camera
Walmart - PF visited 11/22 afternoon
Patricia Key - Woodland Park ENT Bank Manager
Conoco - gas station in Florissant with video of PF and KK filling jug
Sonic - Woodland Park fast food restaurant, video of KK at drive thru
Nash Ranch - allegation that PF stored KB body on hay
UPS driver that dropped of KB2 ornament gift after missing
Utility worker dropped off notice at KB home after missing
Sheila McCorkle Frazee - FB post during TV Wizard of Oz ‘witch is dead’
Michelle Bartlome - spokesperson at St Luke’s Health System in Idaho (KK nursing employer)
Nedley Clinic CA -KB admitted for depression /nutrition in August 2018
Joe Rockstahl - attorney and M Stein former employer, were told of plot
Patty Rockstahl - Wife of Joe, M Stein former employer
Thank you so much, STGirl! So very helpful to see it like this!
 
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thanks for all the responses to my thoughts on CB testimony. i want all to know i find CB very credible, my concern with the credibility was my thinking that the defense might point the differences out during cross and how that might affect the jury. but the comments about LE guiding/suggesting what early comments were best made me think that it will work out ok if defense does raise the issue. another thing about the tooth talk is i remember early on that reportedly KK told LE that PF had told her to look for a tooth that might have gone near a vent.
it was reported again in this recent article,
"After the attack, Frazee allegedly asked Kenney to come and clean up the blood in Berreth’s home. She brought a box of latex gloves, a white suit, booties, bleach, two trash bags and a hair net to help clean the scene, Slater said. Frazee even asked her to look for Berreth’s tooth near a vent, the agent said."

Trial For Patrick Frazee Will Hinge On Testimony From Alleged Accomplice Krystal Lee

haven't read anything about KK finding a tooth in the condo, though. but i think it's entirely possible she did find a tooth and is not being honest about that. if they gave her a polygraph i hope the tooth issue was discussed during it.
 
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thanks for all the responses to my thoughts on CB testimony. i want all to know i find CB very credible, my concern with the credibility was my thinking that the defense might point the differences out during cross and how that might affect the jury. but the comments about LE guiding/suggesting what early comments were best made me think that it will work out ok if defense does raise the issue. another thing about the tooth talk is i remember early on that reportedly KK told LE that PF had told her to look for a tooth that might have gone near a vent.
it was reported again in this recent article,
"After the attack, Frazee allegedly asked Kenney to come and clean up the blood in Berreth’s home. She brought a box of latex gloves, a white suit, booties, bleach, two trash bags and a hair net to help clean the scene, Slater said. Frazee even asked her to look for Berreth’s tooth near a vent, the agent said."

Trial For Patrick Frazee Will Hinge On Testimony From Alleged Accomplice Krystal Lee

haven't read anything about KK finding a tooth in the condo, though. but i think it's entirely possible she did find a tooth and is not being honest about that. if they gave her a polygraph i hope the tooth issue was discussed during it.
I thought she said she did find the tooth and threw it away. Imo
 
  • #1,618
This is one of the things that is incredibly distressing to think about.

All of us here hate to envision the violence and brutality of the murder itself.

But it bears thinking about, because it speaks to PF's utter viciousness, and what KB suffered at his hands.

My hope is that she was knocked out after the first blow, and felt nothing after that.

Hope is a feeling, though.
Feelings aren't Facts.

I don't think that's what happened.
I absolutely do not think that KB was killed with a single blow.
In fact, I'm almost certain that there were repeated blows.

There's too much blood splatter, and what KK described she walked into in no way fits with a single strike.

"Blood everywhere."

It's horrific to think about, but I think it's important to acknowledge the brutality of PF's actions and the pain he inflicted upon KB.

He's Evil Incarnate.

JMO.

*ETA: @MassGuy offered the best explanation r/t the blood splatter and likely murder scenario w/ the bat that I've heard so far. Tagging him to see if he can post that again for the group.

Even if one hit could have killed Kelsey I believe PF's rage would have kept the blows coming.

Once he got started I'm betting he couldn't stop.

Blood from the bat would have gone flying and LE will know exactly how many blows were struck.

I expect DA May to do a demonstration showing the jurors just that.
 
  • #1,619
Even if one hit could have killed Kelsey I believe PF's rage would have kept the blows coming.

Once he got started I'm betting he couldn't stop.

Blood from the bat would have gone flying and LE will know exactly how many blows were struck.

I expect DA May to do a demonstration showing the jurors just that.

Oh yeah, I’m sure May will use a dummy in order to demonstrate that. Unfortunately, I’m not talking about PF.
 
  • #1,620
Join the club.

We have bigger things to worry about right now, though:

What is most important is that PF be held accountable.

He swung the bat.

He must, must, MUST pay for that.

There'll be plenty of time and opportunity to Monday morning quarterback about the state's decision to offer KK that sweetie beauty of a deal.

But it ain't Monday yet, folks.

Stating the obvious: It's Sunday. Gameday.

The home team, led by DA May is locked in battle against PF.

That's the only thing I'm focused on right now.

Well, that and the Pats vs Ravens game. Kickoff at 8:20 pm tonight.

JMO.

Football is played on Sunday?

Who knew?! Roll Tide!
 
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