CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[steeltowngirl]

"I think that some vindication and validation for who Kelsey was, and that none of this was her fault, is deserved," Garretson said.

BBM. That part of the statement really bothers me. Is “this” that she is referring to Kelsey’s murder? I realize the statement was said by KB’s relative, but still, how would anyone think “this” was in any way Kelsey’s fault?

 

[MassGuy]

"I think that some vindication and validation for who Kelsey was, and that none of this was her fault, is deserved," Garretson said.

BBM. That part of the statement really bothers me. Is “this” that she is referring to Kelsey’s murder? I realize the statement was said by KB’s relative, but still, how would anyone think “this” was in any way Kelsey’s fault?

This paragraph preceded that one:

Slater said law enforcement found no evidence to support Frazee's claims, and now, the family wants to quash that storyline.

 

[Warwick7]

It looks like one of those small apple juice boxes they offer. (i went and looked at the menu, haha)




Clinton Cline, who worked alongside Frazee tending to the donkey herd in Cripple Creek, said he thinks the evidence stemming from Kenney doesn't add up. Regardless of outcome, he said Frazee's reputation is lost.

"If he didn't do it, and he's found guilty, his life's ruined. His family's life's ruined and everything else. If he gets acquitted, then there's the group that's going to be, 'Well, he got away with it.' There's no winner," Cline said.

Cline said the only win would be for Frazee to get his daughter back, if a jury would find him not guilty.

"If he's found not guilty, you know, I feel bad for the Berreths, but Patrick is the father of that little girl," Cline said.



I mean first of all, doesn't sound like he had a good reputation to begin with.

and secondly, you know who else's reputation is going to sh** every time they open their mouth?

Hey Cline, I lost respect for Frazee and his reputation the moment he refused to go to the press conference, let alone their prayer vigil 3 days before that...!!!

 

[Warwick7]

oh yeah...Miss Tammy in a room with KK. I can hear now..
Tammy: and so...what were you thinking when you dug that tooth out of the floor register?
KK: well I had to hurry up and get to Sonic for a corn dog and extra large drink..plus I don't like having my hair in a pony tail for a long period of time without being able to primp and rearrange it constantly.
Tammy: yeah.......ya know, we have a video of that.

AGAIN I wish there was a giggle button!
How about a BAM!!

 

[Warwick7]

Looked kind of like a milk jug to me! https://www.sonicdrivein.com/menu/151-kids-meals


Edited: I went back to watch it again and yes it is a box of juice! Is she chewing gum or talking to someone? That bottle of water looks cold! Was it handed to her out of a cooler? Yikes, I'm imagining all sorts of things. I wonder if the worker recalls if anyone else was in the car with her?

Seemed that was brought up way back someone handing her a drink. I don't remember all the details.

 

[GordianKnot]

"I think that some vindication and validation for who Kelsey was, and that none of this was her fault, is deserved," Garretson said.

BBM. That part of the statement really bothers me. Is “this” that she is referring to Kelsey’s murder? I realize the statement was said by KB’s relative, but still, how would anyone think “this” was in any way Kelsey’s fault?

PF's "best friend" and "father figure," RS, tried to insinuate to Agent Slater that KB had been in rehab for something other than exhaustion and he also suggested she had "done this on her own."

See Pages 10 & 11 of Attachment A to this Warrant for more re: RS.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-118 Search Warrant.pdf

All of the suggestions that KB had voluntarily disappeared herself came from PF's camp.

It wasn't enough for PF to murder KB.
He wanted to lay the finger of blame on her for it, too, and leave that dark mark on her reputation.

Had he actually gotten away with it, I have no doubt that PF would have told Baby K. that her mother ran off and abandoned her.

None whatsoever.

JMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

This paragraph preceded that one:

Slater said law enforcement found no evidence to support Frazee's claims, and now, the family wants to quash that storyline.

Thanks MG. I still find the very thought quite disturbing. If that’s among the tactics that PF’s defense team is going to take - that KB was somehow at fault for the events that lead to her death... I don’t see how that will be a good look to any jury.

Actually, maybe his defense should use that approach. Along with the mountain of evidence that Dan May will present, that approach should seal PF’s fate. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

PF's "best friend" and "father figure," RS, tried to insinuate to Agent Slater that KB had been in rehab for something other than exhaustion and he also suggested she had "done this on her own."

See Pages 10 & 11 of Attachment A to this Warrant for more re: RS.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-118 Search Warrant.pdf

JMO.

Other than Mama F, this is another guy I fully expect to assert his Fifth Amendment Rights on the stand.

 

[Warwick7]

So CC knows KK? Not sure how that matters really. Not sure how that means CC supports PF over KK. It's not PF vs. KK. This is The People of the state of Colorado vs. Patrick Frazee.

Those few in PF's corner have spread lies about KB from the beginning. IMO that speaks volumes.

Such a good post.
Anyone who was in PF's corner only berated and talked trash about KB, and did so from the very beginning.

 

[Steelslady]

Such a good post.
Anyone who was in PF's corner only berated and talked trash about KB, and did so from the very beginning.

Oh yeah, starting with PF's lovely sister, who degraded and insulted Kelsey with her garbage that she spewed right on here at WS!

 

[katydid23]

So one thing I'm fuzzy on...so PF kills KB On Thanksgiving day...puts her in a tote, etc...tote ends up in the barn at Nash Ranch(?)...what day did KK get there to clean up and picnic at the bonfire? Why was KB left in that tote until KK got there? If he were to do the bonfire, why wait for KB? What am I missing here?
Or is this another mixed up Frazism of thought?

IIRC,PF asked KK to take the body and dump it in Idaho somewhere. Maybe that's why he waited?

 

[GordianKnot]

IIRC,PF asked KK to take the body and dump it in Idaho somewhere. Maybe that's why he waited?

Yes. He did ask KK to take the body, and that is why he waited.

PF stowed KB's body in the barn at Nash b/c he knew the owner was out of town for the holidays.

He figured he could then just hand KB's body off to KK and KK would be the one responsible for disposing of her remains somewhere in Idaho.

I'm sure in PF's mind, it was the least KK could do after she refused to beat KB to death with a metal rod for him.

I'm sure he was none too pleased when KK also balked at the prospect of transporting a dead body across state lines in a vehicle with expired tags.

JMO.

 

[katydid23]

Yes. He did ask KK to take the body, and that is why he waited.

PF stowed KB's body in the barn at Nash b/c he knew the owner was out of town for the holidays.

He figured he could then just hand KB's body off to KK and KK would be the one responsible for disposing of her remains somewhere in Idaho.

I'm sure in PF's mind, it was the least KK could do after she refused to beat KB to death with a metal rod for him.

I'm sure he was none too pleased when KK also balked at the idea of transporting a dead body across state lines in a vehicle with expired tags.

JMO.

It was actually a smart move on her part---because he could have called in a tip, giving out her license plate #, what highway she was on, and report there was a dead body in the vehicle.

 

[GordianKnot]

It was actually a smart move on her part---because he could have called in a tip, giving out her license plate #, what highway she was on, and report there was a dead body in the vehicle.

Trust me when I say that idea never would have occurred to him.

It's too clever by half.

JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

It was actually a smart move on her part---because he could have called in a tip, giving out her license plate #, what highway she was on, and report there was a dead body in the vehicle.

Ultimately, that plan would have backfired even more spectacularly than the idiotic one he went with.

Once law enforcement put the pieces together, they would have realized the same thing that we currently do:

The timeline for KK being the killer, just doesn’t work. Especially when they would have had the added benefit of a body to determine time of death.

 

[katydid23]

Ultimately, that plan would have backfired even more spectacularly than the idiotic one he went with.

Once law enforcement put the pieces together, they would have realized the same thing that we currently do:

The timeline for KK being the killer, just doesn’t work. Especially when they would have had the added benefit of a body to determine time of death.

Right, it would have been a ridiculously stupid idea. Which is why I think he might have tried it. lmao

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, October 30th:
*Trial continues with Jury Selection (Day 3) (@ 8am MT) - CO – Kelsey Berreth (29) (last seen Nov. 22, 2018, Woodland Park; phone pinged 800 miles away in Gooding, Idaho on 11/25/18 @ 5:13pm, reported missing Dec. 2, 2018; not found) – *Patrick Michael Frazee (32) “fiancé” arrested (12/21/18), charged (12/31/18) & arraigned (4/8/19) with 2 counts 1st degree murder (to align with the prosecution’s theories on how he did it), 3 counts of solicitation to commit 1st degree murder, 1st degree felony murder (death during attempted robbery) and charged (4/5/19) with 2 counts of crime of violence (sentence enhancer). Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will not seek DP.
Trial began on Monday, 10/28 with Jury Selection, trial should start 11/1. Trial is expected to last 3 weeks (thru 11/18/19).
10/28/19 Day 1 Jury selection: Will have 12 jurors & 4 alternates. 125 potential jurors are expected to arrive this morning, out of 1,750 total summons. And of that total, 85 appeared in court today for questioning as part of the jury selection process. Slightly more than 32 people have been dismissed for personal or financial restrictions. Most of the 14 jurors who were dismissed after lunch Monday afternoon said they already believed that Frazee is guilty. The remaining potential jurors (32) were told to return to the courthouse Friday morning for final jury selection. Additional jurors will be questioned on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Another 125 people are expected to report each morning until the jury is seated. Jury selection is expected to continue to Friday, with opening statements slated for Friday afternoon. Jury selection continues on 10/29.
10/29 Day 2 Jury selection: Today, about 100 new potential jurors came through. A few dozen dismissed already this AM, the rest will answer questions from attorneys this afternoon. 33 were excused on Tuesday for reasons ranging from being the sole breadwinners for their families to planned vacations during the month of November. All of the people who have been asked to return to final selection have been told to return to the courthouse by 8:15 a.m. on Friday, with a hope 12 jurors and four alternates can be seated that day. The court plans to call back 90 jurors on Friday. 35 people were told to return on Monday, and jury selection is scheduled for until Thursday. Have 77 total potential jurors at the end of Tuesday. Jury selection continues on 10/30.
*Child: Review hearing on 12/5/19.
*Krystal Jean “Lee” Kenney – Plea deal-plead guilty to 1 count of tampering with physical evidence, a class 6 felony, with an open sentence. Will testify at Frazee’s trial. Review hearing on 12/2.

 

[303gmf]

I think he was a long time friend of PF's, and only met Kelsey once, if he's the guy I'm thinking of.
It might be the other guy, though, but I can't remember his name. The one who went with him to the bank.

Imo

Robert Slagle I believe is his other older friend who went to the bank, of the “ forget we were here “ orders to the manager

 

[MsJosie]

Other than Mama F, this is another guy I fully expect to assert his Fifth Amendment Rights on the stand.

What will the jury think of most if not all of PF family and friends taking the 5th?! Hope they question and question just how those family and friends were involved and just how involved and guilty were they in helping in a cover up....JMO

 

[Hatfield]

Other than Mama F, this is another guy I fully expect to assert his Fifth Amendment Rights on the stand.

I hope the judge forces him and Ma to answer questions on the stand, and if they dont, then I wish additional charges would come down on them for contempt of court or something.

I never have quite understood a few things about pleading the 5th. Maybe some legal eagle who knows could answer.

*What prevents every reluctant or hostile witnesses from always pleading the 5th just to get out of testifying?

*How does a judge prove that their testimony would incriminate themselves? Like what if they are just lying about that to get out of testifying against someone they favor?

*Do the judge and lawyers go into their back chambers with the witness to get them to explain why they cant answer questions?

*And if they are telling the truth that their testimony would incriminate themselves, then doesnt that mean they did something wrong themselves and some other charges of some sort of crime would be warranted for them?

Its confusing to me and Im not sure I will ever fully understand it.