CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[iQuill]

Justice is coming...

Hear Hear May it be swift and severe

 

[Snowsnake]

Okay......I'm gonna let you guys have a laugh at MY expense. I'm feeling a bit "left out." Maybe I'm slow, naive or just didn't catch it the first time around What are brown m&m's??

Elk Eggs of course.

 

[GoJacks]

A truly heartwarming piece from Sam:

That's why the cell phone data used as evidence will be key, just as Mark Pfoff, a former El Paso County detective, told News 5 days before Frazee's arrest.

"Back in the 60s, finger prints were huge in helping to solve a case. In the 80s and 90s, DNA," Pfoff said on Dec. 18. "In the 21st century, cell phones and technology are the new DNA."


FRAZEE TRIAL: "No body" murder trials carry high conviction rates

Yeah, I haven't been too worried about the no body in this case. I think all his cellular evidence will doom him.

Plus, there's probably a lot of evidence we don't even know about yet. I mean, did we ever find out what happened with that tooth fragment that was to be tested.


Kelsie Schelling case....way more concerned about the no body in that one.

 

[gitana1]

B.B.M.

What.
The.
Sells.

No SKETCH ARTIST, even?!?

And yet some feel he’s favoring the defense.

 

[gitana1]

A truly heartwarming piece from Sam:

Tad DiBiase worked as an assistant U.S. attorney for more than a decade in Washington D.C. He said having evidence of the victim's body is a pivotal piece to solving a murder and charging the suspect responsible.

"The body is really the best piece of evidence in a murder case. When you have the body, you typically will know how the murder happened," DiBiase said.

However, statistics show it's not as much of a problem for prosecutors as one might think.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports so-called "no body" murders carry a conviction rate of 88 percent. That's compared to just 70 percent for murders where the victim's body or remains are included in the evidence.

<Snip>

DiBiase said the high rate, though initially surprising, is partially explained by the prosecutors' case selection.

"When a 'no body' case goes to trial, a prosecutor is only going to take the strong cases to trial, because there's such an obvious defense if you don't have the body," DiBiase said.

<Snip>

That's why the cell phone data used as evidence will be key, just as Mark Pfoff, a former El Paso County detective, told News 5 days before Frazee's arrest.

"Back in the 60s, finger prints were huge in helping to solve a case. In the 80s and 90s, DNA," Pfoff said on Dec. 18. "In the 21st century, cell phones and technology are the new DNA."


FRAZEE TRIAL: "No body" murder trials carry high conviction rates

Wow. I never knew that! Makes sense though.

 

[MassGuy]

Wow. I never knew that! Makes sense though.

Yeah, it does. I’ve followed a couple no body cases where the suspect has yet to be charged.

I mean, I don’t think anyone disagrees that guys like Drew Peterson, and Josh Powell killed their missing wives.

The DA’s in those cases just didn’t feel the evidence would get them there. You can know it, but you’ve got to be able to prove it.

That’s why I was surprised by how quickly this investigation moved, which spoke to the strength of the case. Once that preliminary hearing occurred, we understood how overwhelming the evidence was here.

DA May chose himself a winner.

 

[MyBelle]

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BBM. I wonder if the testimony of the coroner concerns the partial tooth DNA? Such a critical piece of evidence in a case with such little forensic evidence.
I've never thought this case to be the slam-dunk so many believe it to be.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

BBM. I wonder if the testimony of the coroner concerns the partial tooth DNA? Such a critical piece of evidence in a case with such little forensic evidence.
I've never thought this case to be the slam-dunk so many believe it to be.

JMO

We know nothing about the significant of this tooth fragment, or if it’s a “critical piece of evidence.”

Hell, there’s a reasonable chance that it’s not Kelsey’s tooth to begin with. If I recall correctly, DA May said something to the effect of it not being as important as originally thought.

Regardless, it would almost certainly be a lab tech discussing the results of the testing, as opposed to a coroner. Everyone knows what a tooth is.

 

[GordianKnot]

BBM. I wonder if the testimony of the coroner concerns the partial tooth DNA? Such a critical piece of evidence in a case with such little forensic evidence.
I've never thought this case to be the slam-dunk so many believe it to be.

JMO

BBM:

There's no factual basis for judging this to be a case with "such little forensic evidence."

The state hasn't even presented their forensic evidence yet.

We have no idea how much evidence, forensic or otherwise, they have amassed in this case.

We only know that DA May characterized the amount of evidence as "voluminous."

Not "so little."

JMO.

 

[MyBelle]

Both PF and KK. Teller County is a tight knit community. Frazees are known there. Kelsey was not. I feel this judge has been partial from the start and that’s a scary thing. Even the tweets aren’t telling us about the words of the attorneys or judge. Something isn’t right.

I think the bigger issue is that KK isn't from there. The judge placed a man in jail with no bond for nearly a year, based on the testimony from cops who said a witness, KK, told them that PF told her. That's hearsay from a witness the judge knows lied to the FBI. So, if the judge seems to be showing partiality to PF, I can certainly understand why.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I think the bigger issue is that KK isn't from there. The judge placed a man in jail with no bond for nearly a year, based on the testimony from cops who said a witness, KK, told them that PF told her. That's hearsay from a witness the judge knows lied to the FBI. So, if the judge seems to be showing partiality to PF, I can certainly understand why.

JMO

The judge held a man charged with first degree murder without bond, based on Colorado guidelines.

The judge determined that there was probable cause to proceed to trial, after hearing evidence at the preliminary hearing.

Evidence that came from damning cell phone data, countless documented lies, surveillance footage, a star witness, and physical evidence that corroborated the account of said witness.

Other than that, I completely agree.

 

[?mysterian?]

It's a shame some people willfully disregard the evidence documented in the court discovery documents that have been released to the public, IMO.

 

[Aydrianna523]

I think the bigger issue is that KK isn't from there. The judge placed a man in jail with no bond for nearly a year, based on the testimony from cops who said a witness, KK, told them that PF told her. That's hearsay from a witness the judge knows lied to the FBI. So, if the judge seems to be showing partiality to PF, I can certainly understand why.

JMO

I think most of us are going to say it's not just kk's word. There's way more evidence than that.
It sounds like the defense had a huge evidence dump to deal with so there must be a lot more than just kk's word.

 

[MassGuy]

It's a shame some people willfully disregard the evidence documented in the court discovery documents that have been released to the public, IMO.

I mean, say that you disagree with the evidence and what it shows. But don’t say that it doesn’t exist in the first place.

 

[?mysterian?]

I mean, say that you disagree with the evidence and what it shows. But don’t say that it doesn’t exist in the first place.

Yes. It's hard to understand the motivation for that. I can think of many reasons, they may or may not be correct, but it probably veers too far off-topic. Probably better to ignore such things, much as they willingly ignore case facts, IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Heads up ahead of the trial- no cameras on courthouse property, no sketch artist, no live reporting from courtroom. You'll have to paint an imaginary picture with our live reports! I'll be there and will do my best to give updates during breaks. #PatrickFrazee #KelseyBerreth


Ashley Franco on Twitter

 

[GordianKnot]

I mean, say that you disagree with the evidence and what it shows. But don’t say that it doesn’t exist in the first place.

It appears that some people are misinterpreting the phrase, "Justice is blind."

It doesn't actually mean deliberately squeezing one's eyes shut when presented with facts.

Denying something exists doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[Love Never Fails]

We can say we agree or disagree with the evidence when trial begins but so far we haven’t seen the evidence. That will come at trial. Most of the “evidence” was formulated after KKs testimony. So I can understand people taking sides. Maybe they know the Berreths. Maybe they know the Frazees. Maybe they know KK. We don’t know all the posters here.

What we do know for sure is that KK was heavily involved. That part we can all agree on. Whether all of her words are true, we will soon find out. The rest we are speculating. Glad there is a jury to hear the evidence.

 

[?mysterian?]

We can say we agree or disagree with the evidence when trial begins but so far we haven’t seen the evidence. That will come at trial. Most of the “evidence” was formulated after KKs testimony. So I can understand people taking sides. Maybe they know the Berreths. Maybe they know the Frazees. Maybe they know KK. We don’t know all the posters here.

What we do know for sure is that KK was heavily involved. That part we can all agree on. Whether all of her words are true, we will soon find out. The rest we are speculating. Glad there is a jury to hear the evidence.

Respectfully, there have been documents released since KK was interviewed by LE. I linked them earlier today and will link them again. Colorado Judicial Branch

There is already much more than KK's testimony in the public domain, IMO, and it will only increase from here on out.

 

[Ultra Violet]

I don’t know about you guys, but I am enjoying all of this Halloween levity while we can. Tomorrow is the start of a very intense trial and I cannot wait for Justice to Prevail!

That said, do you think the portapotty-sized tent, lack of even sketch artists, and having Halloween Day off is to prevent bolts popping out of the defendant’s neck?

Or maybe there was a very special costume contest in the Teller County jail today?

Or could The Mistress of Frankenstein been scheduled to work the rodeo circuit today?

So. Many. Questions.

/NancyGraceVoice

( just my holiday edition of silly rhetorical questions, 2019 edition )