CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[susiQ]

Heads up ahead of the trial- no cameras on courthouse property, no sketch artist, no live reporting from courtroom. You'll have to paint an imaginary picture with our live reports! I'll be there and will do my best to give updates during breaks. #PatrickFrazee #KelseyBerreth


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BBM
No problemo! I'll just check GK's avatar

 

[MyBelle]

I think most of us are going to say it's not just kk's word. There's way more evidence than that.
It sounds like the defense had a huge evidence dump to deal with so there must be a lot more than just kk's word.

I'm betting not all in the dump will be usable evidence which is why the defense was complaining. They have to examine it all in order to know what is there.

JMO

 

[susiQ]

I don’t know about you guys, but I am enjoying all of this Halloween levity while we can. Tomorrow is the start of a very intense trial and I cannot wait for Justice to Prevail!

That said, do you think the portapotty-sized tent, lack of even sketch artists, and having Halloween Day off is to prevent bolts popping out of the defendant’s neck?

Or maybe there was a very special costume contest in the Teller County jail today?

Or could The Mistress of Frankenstein been scheduled to work the rodeo circuit today?

So. Many. Questions.

/NancyGraceVoice

( just my holiday edition of silly rhetorical questions, 2019 edition )

Be careful @Ultra Violet. Some here have their bun in a twist WAY too tight.

 

[MassGuy]

Does anyone have a fricken clue where legendary reporter, Chris Spargo, got this from? I get why the defense wouldn’t call his mom to the stand, but this makes it seem set in stone that they won’t call her.

The defendant meanwhile only plans to call two witnesses to the stand it seems, both of whom are investigators for the public defender's office.

Frazee will not call his mother to testify nor does it appear that he will take the stand in his own defense.

It is not surpise that Frazee would want to stay quiet as he previously asked that remarks he made to one official the day after Christmas be stricken from the record.

Patrick Frazee murder trial will kick off Friday with family of missing mom Kelsey Berreth on stand | Daily Mail Online

 

[oviedo]

I must say I’m very disappointed in all this secrecy with the trial. I wanted to listen to the opening arguments and watch the faces of the accused / family. I’ve been away from her thread for awhile following other DV murders but am anxious to follow as much as we are going to be allowed - KB needs justice IMO

 

[oviedo]

Does anyone have a fricken clue where legendary reporter, Chris Spargo, got this from? I get why the defense wouldn’t call his mom to the stand, but this makes it seem set in stone that they won’t call her.

The defendant meanwhile only plans to call two witnesses to the stand it seems, both of whom are investigators for the public defender's office.

Frazee will not call his mother to testify nor does it appear that he will take the stand in his own defense.

It is not surpise that Frazee would want to stay quiet as he previously asked that remarks he made to one official the day after Christmas be stricken from the record.

Patrick Frazee murder trial will kick off Friday with family of missing mom Kelsey Berreth on stand | Daily Mail Online

One juror and reasonable doubt ? Did the reporter make this up? Although we have to submit witness lists and exhibits 45 days prior to the trial - maybe those lists are set in stone ? I haven’t looked at the docket in ages I’m so unprepared !

 

[Hatfield]

Yes, tomorrow we hopefully will see the beginning of the trial phase starting.

Im pleasantly surprised how fast this case made it to trial.
Cases like this can sometimes take two years or more to get to the trial phase.

Lets hope that is a sign that the Prosecution has all their ducks in a row.

 

[GordianKnot]

Does anyone have a fricken clue where legendary reporter, Chris Spargo, got this from? I get why the defense wouldn’t call his mom to the stand, but this makes it seem set in stone that they won’t call her.

The defendant meanwhile only plans to call two witnesses to the stand it seems, both of whom are investigators for the public defender's office.

Frazee will not call his mother to testify nor does it appear that he will take the stand in his own defense.

It is not surpise that Frazee would want to stay quiet as he previously asked that remarks he made to one official the day after Christmas be stricken from the record.

Patrick Frazee murder trial will kick off Friday with family of missing mom Kelsey Berreth on stand | Daily Mail Online

BBM:

No, and there's only one way to find out:

You're going to need to call him and ask him where he got his information.

@Seattle1 is busy liaising with Sam...she can't do everything!

IIRC, You're the one who volunteered to go on "Spargo Watch" for the thread.

We're all counting on you. 1-800-GET-SPARGO.

And, if, stressing IF, this report is true, this is HUGE news.
PF's team, only calling 2 witnesses?
So telling.
So very, very telling.

JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

BBM:

No, and there's only one way to find out:

You're going to need to call him and ask him where he got his information.

@Seattle1 is busy liaising with Sam...she can't do everything!

Anyway, you're the one who volunteered to go on "Spargo Watch" for the thread.

We're all counting on you.

It's Go Time.

If this report is true, this is HUGE news.
PF's team, only calling 2 witnesses?
So telling.
So very, very telling.

JMO.

I can already tell you what he’s going to say: “I just make it up as I go.”

What a hack.

 

[katydid23]

I’m most looking forward to opening statements, as that will give us a roadmap for how both sides plan to proceed.

I’m most interested in what the defense has to say, as I’ve tried to figure out their best strategy here, but haven’t been able to make anything fit with the evidence.

How much of the Opening Statements will we really get to hear? Hard enough to tweet when U are
doing it inside, in the moment. But having to run across the street to send info---how accurate will it be? And how much will be communicated?

 

[susiQ]

BBM:

No, and there's only one way to find out:

You're going to need to call him and ask him where he got his information.

@Seattle1 is busy liaising with Sam...she can't do everything!

IIRC, You're the one who volunteered to go on "Spargo Watch" for the thread.

We're all counting on you. 1-800-GET-SPARGO.

And, if, stressing IF, this report is true, this is HUGE news.
PF's team, only calling 2 witnesses?
So telling.
So very, very telling.

JMO.

IF that is true, it certainly explains the 3 week time frame for testimony. It’s all coming from the prosecution’s side. JMHO
ETA: I’m guessing the bulk of his defence will be trying to dismantle KK’s testimony and hoping like all get out he can get reasonable doubt from one juror?

 

[MassGuy]

How much of the Opening Statements will we really get to hear? Hard enough to tweet when U are
doing it in side, in the moment. But having to run across the street to send info---how aacyaret will it be? And how much will be communicated?

We’ll get the gist, which will be good enough. I just want the general outline, as it will tell us a lot about both sides intend to approach this.

 

[PommyMommy]

Does anyone have a fricken clue where legendary reporter, Chris Spargo, got this from? I get why the defense wouldn’t call his mom to the stand, but this makes it seem set in stone that they won’t call her.

The defendant meanwhile only plans to call two witnesses to the stand it seems, both of whom are investigators for the public defender's office.

Frazee will not call his mother to testify nor does it appear that he will take the stand in his own defense.

It is not surpise that Frazee would want to stay quiet as he previously asked that remarks he made to one official the day after Christmas be stricken from the record.

Patrick Frazee murder trial will kick off Friday with family of missing mom Kelsey Berreth on stand | Daily Mail Online

Probably part of it from here:

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user.../Endorsement of Defenses and Witnesses PD.pdf
ENDORSEMENT OF DEFENSES AND WITNESSES

Patrick Frazee, by and through counsel, hereby endorses the following defenses and witnesses:

1. General denial.

2. To the extent the court finds that "Alternate Suspect" is a required endorsed defense despite its absence from Part 7 of Article 1 of Title 18 all other relevant articles of the Colorado Revised Statutes concerning defenses, it is anticipated that as part and parcel to general denial, there may be evidence that other individuals committed or fabricated portions of the crimes alleged against Mr. Frazee, to include Krystal Lee. All evidence presented by the defense will comport with the rules of evidence, to include Rules 402 and 403, as pertinent to this endorsement.

3. John Gonglach, Investigator for the State Public Defenders Office

4. Jesus Manuel Roldan, Investigator for the State Public Defenders Office

5. All witnesses endorsed by the prosecution in their various witness endorsements.

 

[katydid23]

I’m super curious as to the defense strategy also. Other than trying to go after KK and her credibility I can’t think of any other strategy. Maybe a PF is gonna say KB gave him her phone and told him to send those texts, that’s why their phones were together? (Just one example of them trying to explain the evidence).

In the case of the murdered McStay family, there was a boatload of evidence against the killer--much of it was cell ping data. Including the travels of the killer , placing him near the remote area the family was buried. And spending hours at various casinos, using stolen money from the victim.

The defence team spent a lot of time and money on various experts, who tried to debunk the cell ping data, and they tried to say it said something different from what the detectives said. It got very confusing and was basically high tech expert vs high tech expert ---which in the end, the jury ignored, in my opinion.

I think the defense here is going to do similar things against the state's theory of the cells moving together. And they will try to debunk the states theory that KB's cell left with PF on Thanksgiving day. JMO

 

[katydid23]

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I think we all consider Baby K way more than the defendant ever did. Obviously.

And if she does ever look online for info about her mother, reading here would be a treasure trove of loving, heartfelt comments about Kelsey and about our strong desire for justice in her name.

And most of all, she will see that we all hoped and prayed that she would continue to remain in the custody of her Mother's family, and never have to be returned to the ranch, where some evil types planned out her Mother's brutal murder.

I have no problem with her seeing any mocking jokes about the man who killed her Mom. He is a joke-- he is a sick, twisted cruel joke. If she ever reads here she will understand why her Mother's family was given the legal rights to raise her, away from the cruelty.

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I rarely see a trial where the defense doesn't whine about late discovery documents, etc. It doesn't mean it is misconduct.

 

[skyedaze]

Clearly everyone posting here certainly always considers Baby K when they make their heartfelt remarks.

We think of lil K every day...and we very much do not ever want her father around her ever again.

 

[skyedaze]

What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here?!?

What's next, PF's l'il tent of secrecy is moved into the courtroom and erected over the defense table so no one can see him? Or will they just turn the public seats around to face the rear of the courtroom?

How in the %#€*? would a sketch artist violate the decorum order?

I want to know what other special treatment Mr. Don't-Look-At-Me has been getting while he's been a guest at the graybar hotel.

Here's the new ruling https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Order_ Motion to Allow EMC NBC News.pdf

ETA: From the ruling: "The motion/proposed order attached hereto: DENIED.

I have reviewed the motion. I am concerned about the privacy of jurors, witnesses and maintaining the integrity of the proceedings. A prior Decorum Order has been entered that prohibits any photographs in Division 11, the courthouse or courthouse grounds. A sketch artist drawing pictures for publication would be a violation of the Decorum Order. The motion is Denied. "

I'm hoping the judge is just trying to make sure there is as little room for appeal as possible.

 

[MassGuy]

We think of lil K every day...and we very much do not ever want her father around her ever again.

Damn straight. A verdict of not guilty would likely carry the added blow of PF being able to accomplish exactly what he hoped to achieve.

Sole custody.

Ain't gonna happen though.

 

[katydid23]

We can say we agree or disagree with the evidence when trial begins but so far we haven’t seen the evidence. That will come at trial. Most of the “evidence” was formulated after KKs testimony. So I can understand people taking sides. Maybe they know the Berreths. Maybe they know the Frazees. Maybe they know KK. We don’t know all the posters here.

What we do know for sure is that KK was heavily involved. That part we can all agree on. Whether all of her words are true, we will soon find out. The rest we are speculating. Glad there is a jury to hear the evidence.

As to the bolded----I doubt that anyone who regularly posts on this thread knows any of the above mentioned.

I think people are taking sides according to the info, evidence and facts that we have heard so far.

Pretty hard to take PF's side, after hearing about various past actions, even before the alleged killing.

The timeline doesn't work for him either. KK was not in town in time for the murder.

 

[katydid23]

I'm betting not all in the dump will be usable evidence which is why the defense was complaining. They have to examine it all in order to know what is there.

JMO

So? The prosecution cannot hold any of it back, even if it might be deemed unworthy of use.

It is not up to the prosecution to decide that for the defense. Can you imagine if the state withheld much of it, then explaining they didn't think it was usable? That would be misconduct on their part.