CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[steeltowngirl]

Guys & Gals, Who do you think the prosecution will call to the stand after CB? Will they continue along establishing who Kelsey is or do you think they'll start into LE aspect?

I’m thinking continue to establish who Kelsey is and how things really were with PF. Maybe this lady.

Ashley Cogburn, a friend of Berreth, told CBS News that Berreth was often upset and she feels that it was due to her relationship with Frazee. She claimed that he was always "mad about something."

"The moment that I found out that she had been missing, the first words that came out of my mouth were, 'He did something to her,'" Cogburn said.

Cogburn and Berreth have been friends since they met at elementary school in Washington. More recently they were roommates in Colorado, even when Berreth was pregnant with Frazee’s child, who is now a year old. That child, a girl, is now in the care of Berreth’s maternal grandparents.

"She couldn't win. … The things that he would say to her were somewhat demeaning," Cogburn told CBS News. "I remember one time in particular she came to me and she was just crying. And Kelsey is this – she's a tough girl … and I can't remember specifics, but I just remember gathering, 'This person is borderline emotionally abusive to you right now.'"

Kelsey Berreth's Fiancé, Who Is Accused Of Killing Her, Was 'Borderline Emotionally Abusive,' Says Friend

 

[Ccging]

Guys & Gals, Who do you think the prosecution will call to the stand after CB? Will they continue along establishing who Kelsey is or do you think they'll start into LE aspect?

I think they will continue with CB2, KB’s brother, he would continue establishing who KB was and also since he found the blood would be a good lead in for LE aspect after him.

 

[TristanP]

I was actually surprised by this. I took him as someone who strung KK along and never really cared for any woman. I think mama was the number one woman in his life.

I think he was how you thought, but he’s also manipulative and narcissistic, and it would be an ego blow if she chose someone else over him. Just because he didn’t have any strong feelings towards her doesn’t mean he was ok with her being with anyone else.

 

[TristanP]

Cheryl Berreth struggled to contain her emotions on the stand as she described her daughter's upbringing in Washington state and a lifelong desire to become a pilot. Kelsey Berreth moved to Colorado within a year after starting a relationship with Patrick Frazee. Kelsey worked in Grand Junction, Falcon and Pueblo as a flight instructor. Cheryl describes her daughter's relationship with the Frazee family as never being good, with the family viewing Kelsey as a "hooker" because she would arrive at the family property late at night due to her work hours.

According to the mother, the relationship worsened after Kelsey told the family about her pregnancy in the summer of 2017. She explained how her daughter was thrown out of the house and forced to move in with a coworker. Fast forward a year later when Frazee and Berreth's daughter had just turned one year old, and Cheryl Berreth describes her daughter visiting a clinic in California to help address mineral deficiency. Soon after, Kelsey started working less to spend more time with her child. She and Frazee continued to live separately.

Mother testifies about strained relationship and concern for her missing daughter

I just wish I could understand WHY women tolerate being treated like this. Especially by disgusting pigs of men. There are many men out there who would have been proud to have Kelsey as a partner.

 

[katydid23]

I think they will continue with CB2, KB’s brother, he would continue establishing who KB was and also since he found the blood would be a good lead in for LE aspect after him.

Yes, I think they are going to stick to the timeline, going in chronological order, to keep things simple for jury.

What happened when they realised she was missing? Her brother would be the one to help explain that. What her condo looked like when the arrived. Why it seemed odd or unusual.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think he was how you thought, but he’s also manipulative and narcissistic, and it would be an ego blow if she chose someone else over him. Just because he didn’t have any strong feelings towards her doesn’t mean he was ok with her being with anyone else.

Yeah, I think it was more about him being possessive and not wanting her to be with another man.
He doesn't know how to love. That would require compassion, patience, and empathy.

Imo

 

[Simply Southern]

We need to send a copy of @GoJacks work to all of the reporters on this case to show them how it's done. Awesome job and TY so much!

@GoJacks, your reporting is much more interesting and informative than any I've read.

We ain't giving away GoJacks work for free. Its gonna cost them a round trip ticket and 3 weeks accommodations plus meals.

Now who's gonna sign up for the next shift for live coverage?

 

[SuziQ]

I've wondered if Kelsey was considering moving back home. I think she realized that her and PF were never going to get married and his family obviously hated her.

I am going to bounce of your post to say to all the women out there who are in the same situation as KB was....believe someone the first time they show you who they really are. It may save your life.

 

[Simply Southern]

These Frazees are some crazies, that's for sure.

At the risk of going all conspiracy-theory here, would you be surprised if Patrick just used Kelsey to get a baby?

Would he have continued to meet women online and have babies with them to populate Mama's ranch?

Would they too disappear?

Since the brother and sister weren't interested in working for the family business, maybe this was going to be Patrick's way of keeping it all going for Mama?

It gives me the creeps to even consider and it has the makings of a Twilight Zone episode but I'm not sure it's too big a stretch to believe it!

I see the making for a mini series on HBO.

PF and his magic sperm procreates entire generation for Mama Sheila.

 

[Warwick7]

I’m thinking continue to establish who Kelsey is and how things really were with PF. Maybe this lady.

Ashley Cogburn, a friend of Berreth, told CBS News that Berreth was often upset and she feels that it was due to her relationship with Frazee. She claimed that he was always "mad about something."

"The moment that I found out that she had been missing, the first words that came out of my mouth were, 'He did something to her,'" Cogburn said.

Cogburn and Berreth have been friends since they met at elementary school in Washington. More recently they were roommates in Colorado, even when Berreth was pregnant with Frazee’s child, who is now a year old. That child, a girl, is now in the care of Berreth’s maternal grandparents.

"She couldn't win. … The things that he would say to her were somewhat demeaning," Cogburn told CBS News. "I remember one time in particular she came to me and she was just crying. And Kelsey is this – she's a tough girl … and I can't remember specifics, but I just remember gathering, 'This person is borderline emotionally abusive to you right now.'"

Kelsey Berreth's Fiancé, Who Is Accused Of Killing Her, Was 'Borderline Emotionally Abusive,' Says Friend

One word...... Gaslighting!

 

[Gardener1850]

Guys & Gals, Who do you think the prosecution will call to the stand after CB? Will they continue along establishing who Kelsey is or do you think they'll start into LE aspect?

I'm not sure what order they will go in but I'm thinking we will hear soon from:

KB's brother
LE that took the initial missing report and what was found in the condo
At least one coworker of KB
At least one neighbor of KB
At least one friend of KB

I think KK will be toward the end of next week or later. MOO.

 

[Warwick7]

Yes, I think they are going to stick to the timeline, going in chronological order, to keep things simple for jury.

What happened when they realised she was missing? Her brother would be the one to help explain that. What her condo looked like when the arrived. Why it seemed odd or unusual.

Agreed! After CB tesimony I think she said that her son had to convince her to call 911...

 

[Warwick7]

"ill call tom"

CB knew by reading this something was very very wrong.....

 

[OldLadyBlues]

@MassGuy trying to catch up here. Where was the tooth fragment found and was anything said about the consumptive testing? DID they text it?

Thank you!

 

[MassGuy]

@MassGuy trying to catch up here. Where was the tooth fragment found and was anything said about the consumptive testing? DID they text it?

Thank you!

The tooth was apparently recovered from the burn area. We don’t know what the testing said.

The fact that the prosecutor brought it up in her opening statement, and showed a picture of it (according to @GoJacks), means that this could be a sign of a bombshell revelation in the future.

Even if the testing doesn’t give a DNA profile, just identifying that tooth as human would be huge.

 

[MsBetsy]

"ill call tom"

CB knew by reading this something was very very wrong.....

What an idiot he was for texting that. You would think he would know she always texted in complete sentences with punctuation.

Imo

 

[Aydrianna523]

"ill call tom"

CB knew by reading this something was very very wrong.....

Missed out on that one. pf sent that text to cb?

 

[susiQ]

I'm not sure what order they will go in but I'm thinking we will hear soon from:

KB's brother
LE that took the initial missing report and what was found in the condo
At least one coworker of KB
At least one neighbor of KB
At least one friend of KB

I think KK will be toward the end of next week or later. MOO.

They started this trial with a saint, maybe they plan to finish off with the she-devil

 

[MassGuy]

Missed out on that one. pf sent that text to cb?

Yes, from @GoJacks:

CB was with son and busy moving things from WA to ID during this time so didn't think much of not being in contact with KB
CB accidentally called KB on 11/24. got text back that said "ill call tom" never got a call or text after this.

Still Missing - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, from @GoJacks:

CB was with son and busy moving things from WA to ID during this time so didn't think much of not being in contact with KB
CB accidentally called KB on 11/24. got text back that said "ill call tom" never got a call or text after this.

Still Missing - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

I probably would have thought it meant, "I'm ill, call Tom," and wondered who the heck Tom was.

No wonder she was alarmed. It was obvious it wasn't Kelsey and even if it were and she was in a hurry, her mom would probably expect her to text or call later and explain.

Imo