I'm re-posting this for the newcomers - we had
@GoJacks in the courtroom Friday - the link is in the media thread page 44
CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*
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https://www.websleuths.com/forums/search/17773710/
We were lucky to have someone in court yesterday
@GoJacks
Still Missing - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58
Posts start at 9:28pm
Note- synopsis begins page 55 - it’s very good reporting
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Okay from today opening statements:
Viehman starts out with a picture of PF from ENT ...(baby carrier present in passenger seat) says in a few short minutes after this was taken this guy brutally murders KB. "This face, this guy, he's a murderer." (points at PF....looking just like he always does)
*Shows picture of the black tote in the back of truck from ENT.
*later showed on the neighbors security camera of the truck passing by (after they believe the murder to have taken place) the tote was flipped the opposite way.
Some side notes: They have pictures of KB and Patrick going into her condo from that day. KB has poinsettias in her hands. No, PF didn't buy them for her. It's what she purchased at Safeway that day. (now we know)
The neighbors security camera literally faces her door. (This was confusing to me) They have pictures also of PF leaving and coming back later that day. Can't say he looks like he brutally murdered someone. No change of clothes, doesn't look to be covered in blood. (defense also pointed this out). Also no pictures of him leaving with a black totes or anything, unless of course these are coming later.
A lot of talk of the cellular activity of PF/KBs phone after this. Zoned out at this part. Basically all of what you can read online.
Between Nov 25-Dec. 4 46 calls to KK and zero to KB (even after police & CB had contacted him about KB being missing)
Also mentioned was that KK and PF had affair for YEARS. The night before KK married CL, PF begged her not to go through with it
KK found out through a mutual friend that PF had a child.
When they searched PF's house he had literally written a note to himself about what he did Nov. 22nd. (I assume so he could keep his story straight).
It included: Running errands, picking up baby, etc and in what order
*sorry if this is all scrambled, my notes are probably like PF's notes....non existent.
JMO but I thought Viehman made KK sound wayyyyy too nice and like a freaking gift to god. I know this is to ultimately show that she had nothing to do with the actual murder. Still made my skin crawl though.
Defense:
Pretty short. Basically related this case to seeing a house you want to buy on the internet. Looks great, until you see it in person and there's a lot of cracks in the foundation.
Going to place the blame on KK. Somewhere other than the KB condo. Said her house wasn't a murder scene like they claim. KK didn't go to the police, she only talked once offered a plea ETC.
I'll add if I remember anymore from opening statements.
*Ma waited at the door and watched him walked in.
Do not believe she was in court.
Yesterday at 10:26 PMReport
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MassGuy said:
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Thanks! Could you see those images clearly? And is there any way the defense can claim that PF didn’t return to the house?
Basically, is it clearly PF?
@GoJacks response
Pictures are VERY clear and close. Obvious it's PF and in same clothes he's in at ENT.
Also forgot some major part.
Yes they showed pictures of the tooth fragment from the fire pit.
KK claims the fire took so long she tried to sleep in her car during it.
Got frustrated and left after this.
Some confusion I had.
I thought they said he burned her inside that black tote, but they showed a picture of the black tote they found at his property.
Also showed pictures of where the tote was at Nash Ranch. The hay is stained a dark red/black color.
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okay now onto CB.....which was very eye opening.
Viehman starts out by asking her to talk about Kelsey to us.
Talks about Kelseys love of aviation and knew from a young age that's what she wanted to do. Originally wanted to be a crop duster or something of the sort. CB chokes up a bit at the beginning and is very hard to hear for the first couple minutes.
They ask her about how PF and KB met. She goes onto explain how they met on the internet.
At this point they ask CB to point out in the court room who she believed her daughter to be dating. You could tell she was very hesitant to look at him. She pointed and they asked her again can you describe him. She said, the one in the blue shirt. (Just imagine every picture you've ever seen of PF and it was the same look on his face)
CB goes on explaining their relationship:
Met on internet, told her parents about him in December 2016~(2015? the dates kept getting scrambled)
In April of 2016(?) he came to Idaho and met them. At this time time she told her parents about their intentions to get married. A week after he left, she told them that she was moving to CO so she could really get to know him and be sure he is the one.
*PF told her not to worry about money and that she wouldn't need a job.
PF flew to KB and helped her pack up all her things a short time later.
This is where it gets very interesting
PF and KB headed back to CO and had an apt secured in Florrisant for her. They got back super late and didn't want to have to set anything up so PF told her she could just spend the night at 'ol Ma's house. OOFTA....bad decision.
Apparently SF woke up and was mad, called her a hooker and made her leave.
Didn't believe that KB actually had an apt*
CB mentioned that also whenever PF's sister was @ SF house, KB was forced to stay outside on the deck. (lovely family)
When KB got pregnant, PF never told his family. SF realized at some point in July and called her out on it. Threw her out of the house again at this point. (At this point she had moved to Grand Junction for a job after she realized money WAS an issue but was spending the weekends at SF's house).
It was around July/Aug 2017 that she was hired at Doss so was in the process of moving back when SF did this, so she found someone @ Doss who was renting out a room and moved in with them in Pueblo, I believe.
In Sept 2017, PF and KB were apparently going to look @ purchasing house, CB was going to help look. KB calls and says PF is pissed and he just wants her to rent something out and not buy.
CB came and helped her find a place to rent in woodland park, they decided woodland park would be best for relationship & job.
Oct 2017, KB has baby 3 weeks early. CB was there for birth.
KB's rental was only only going to be good through the winter, but the people let her extend it a little longer.
In May '18 CB and DB came back and helped her buy/move into the new place in the same complex.
During this visit she saw PF a few times. Also mentions that in a previous trip to CO she has met SF and ate dinner at her place 4~ times.
They talk about KB's first birthday party at KB's place. Only PF was present, no one else in his family came.
part 2 in a bit.
11:08pm
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When they searched PF's house he had literally written a note to himself about what he did Nov. 22nd.
It included: Running errands, picking up baby, etc and in what order..)
@GoJacks response regarding presentation of note
Yup!! at first I thought they were presenting the note of how he wrote who would get custody of KB or whatever that note was, but nope. Just a daily reminder of what he did.
The picture was sideways (she apologized) but she read out what it said. I wanted to laugh.
Yesterday at 11:13 PM
Random things.
Not sure we can talk about the jury, so if not just let me know and I'll delete.
Mostly older jury, predominantly (if not all) white.
Most of the men looked like farmers. (JMO)
CC was in attendance. Actually walked right past me as I entered the court house (and um no they won't let you walk through the circus tent, guarding it like it's Area 51)
Was there ever a picture of RS released? From description, I'd say RS was sitting next to CC but i can't confirm, because I've never seen a picture of him to my knowledge.
I have no idea what PF's sister or brother really look like. So also don't know if they were there. Like I mentioned before, SF was waiting outside the court room and watched as PF walked in.
CB and DB sat front row, a couple other people next to them. Didn't recognize them.
Yesterday at 11:31 PM
CB mentioned today the only time KB talked about moving was Doss had mentioned they might be opening a new place in Idaho and KB said she would be interested in that. Something about how Doss in Pueblo was like a level 1 and this would be a level 2 and thus a better job?
It also wasn't confirmed at all that Doss was opening up a new place and just speculation.
Yesterday at 11:38 PM
okay part 2
Thanksgiving day.
CB talks to KB a couple times in the morning, probably around 9am. Mentions her and PF are going out to eat for thanksgiving, probably later in the day. Mentions she's tired because she was up all night because PF was sick. PF had stomach ulcers which caused him issues sometimes.
KB asked for recipe for bread dip? Family favorite. CB sent her a picture of the recipe.
Never mentioned any sort of argument with PF. Nothing unusual about relationship that day.
CB mentions that KB said she made cinnamon rolls but baby kb wanted honey nut cheerios instead.
Last convo CB had w/KB was about baby having poop explosions (lol)
CB actually TEXTED PF "happy thanksgiving I heard you're sick, hope you feel better" PF responded happy thanksgiving back. (cb very choked up during this part)
CB was with son and busy moving things from WA to ID during this time so didn't think much of not being in contact with KB
CB accidentally called KB on 11/24. got text back that said "ill call tom" never got a call or text after this.
CB mentioned KB worked long hours M,T,Th, so when she didn't hear from her she wasn't THAT concerned, became concerned on Friday because she knew KB wasn't working and it was unusual to go that long without talking to her.
Went through KB's fb friends list and messaged all her Doss employers. One responded saying KB took the week off, said she would be back on Mon.
She called PF, had a long 20~ min convo with him. PF explained they had been arguing a lot and KB wanted to go her separate way.
She found this odd because KB mentioned no such thing.
She said well will you at least go check on her. He said he was checking cows and KB wouldn't want to see him. CB said, I don't care if she doesn't want to see you I just want to know she is okay. It's at this time CB says she realizes where is baby. Asks PF, says he has baby and KB told him to keep baby until she figures things out.
Brother convinces CB to call police. They tell her no sign her at apt but her cars are out front. CB and brother wait till Mon, if KB doesn't show up for work they have a flight scheduled to go to CO. KB doesn't show up for work.
CB & brother fly to CO (while at airport she was informed KB's phone pinged in ID), take an uber to her house thinking they won't need a rental car. PF had mentioned he gave her all her keys back so they believed they could just use one of her cars if they needed it. No keys of any sort at condo.
Found the house odd, cinnamon rolls left on counter uncovered. "hard as a rock" -cb
*Showed a picture of the infamous cinnamon rolls
her and brother went through KB's things, didn't notice anything missing. Said KB wouldn't leave the house without these things.
Mentioned that it looked like the house had been wiped down. Noticed it on the couch and stove when the light hit.
I think that's about where they ended it for the day.
*also this reminded me in opening statements they showed pictures of the floor panels tore up where they found blood and blood stains they found behind couch cushions.
Today at 12:09 AM
Was DA May in attendance?
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He was there. Viehman is the only one to speak so far for prosecution.
Seemed like a friendly guy, saw him shaking some random peoples hands in the court room.
Believe he was sitting at the table, can't 100% say for sure. I aligned myself to get a nice view of PF but it made it so I couldn't see prosecution table.
Today at 12:21 AM
About the blood in the condo...
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Don't quote me on this, but i believe they said KK had 4 bags of trash of things she couldn't get blood off of. Baby toys, curtains, etc.
Today at 12:28 AM
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I probably forgot a lot of things.
So here's some random things I just remembered.
They showed pictures of the burn area. It had been covered by dirt, KK took them to exact spot. Able to find burn area because of this.
KK & PF are seen at the conoco together. drove up in separate cars. PF got gas in one of those small gas cans.
Also the amount of times Viehman mentioned PF lived at home W/ MOM made me laugh.
Today at 12:43 AM
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Phones calls
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@GoJacks
They had a slide for each day. Left hand side was like
"PF calls to KK''
on Nov 26
9 calls
time and how long each call was
right hand side each day:
Calls to KB
ZERO
↑@MassGuy
Wow! Do you recall if the gas station fill up was on the night of the fire?!
Please say yes!
I believe it was same day as fire. Nov. 24th.
Today at 12:52 AM
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I think her calling KB a hooker had more to do with her finding out she was pregnant. And of course because she just didn't like her. Imo
Nope, this was the day KB moved to CO. Many moons before SF found out she was pregnant.
Which leads you to believe, PF never told his mother about KB moving there/existing.
Today at 1:03 AM
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Response about PF
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@GoJacks
Yes....He's also a lot taller than I expected. He's expression didn't change much, if at all. Maybe the most expression I saw out of him was when he poured himself a cup of coffee. He would lean up and take some notes (doodle on his paper, whatever). Then sit back for awhile. rinse, repeat.
Looks like he had just gotten a haircut. Nice and short, lol.
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Pictures of the cinnamon rolls show them on the stove.
NO!!!! It's like PF's personal little entrance. Have it guarded. In fact, they have that road even blocked off where he gets to enter. Us normal folk must enter through the front.
Sorry if I missed anyone else's questions. Wasn't on purpose. Re-ask if I did.
Today at 1:20 AM
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Yes, it was kind of wild because prosecution went on and on in opening statement. I was thinking in my head, at this rate they are never getting to the first witness. Defense got up and she spoke for like 5 mins. Vague....mostly talked about KK. Said condo wasn't a murder scene. And sat down. I was like, that's it???
Believe opening statement was from 2pm-3:10pm. Prosecution was most of that. We got a break from 3:10-3:25. Then CB took the stand from 3:30-5pm.
Today at 1:37 AM
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Oh yah i forgot about that.
KK took the pipe back to SF house and left it at the gate entrance. SF found it.
I believe 2 of his ideas were for her to put her in the trash.
Also if anyone showed up...just run. yah where the heck is KK running to. nowhere.
They did bring up that PF told KK "people go missing all the time. One second your little girl might be at the playground and the next second, she might be gone"
PF also said: "You made a promise to a little girl and you need to keep that promise"
(PF told KK that KB was abusing baby and KK needed to save her from that harm)
Today at 1:44 AM
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Don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere by media and I also forgot. KB was pregnant before, lost the baby around the previous Thanksgiving. CB mentioned it in her testimony. So, perhaps they were actually trying for baby.
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I thought I heard that wrong in court. So yes, that was also part of the plan I see. I was thinking, I must have heard that wrong no way he wanted her to roll the trash down the street. I was imagining the garbage man opening the trash the next day like ???
Guess we'd have the body then.
Today at 3:28 AM
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PF on camera
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I believe the camera to literally be from the next door neighbor. faces right at KB door. I can't remember if the fencing blocks his bottom half or the camera only captures the top half. But from memory, I only remember top half. (sorry, I was so stunned that these picture existed that I probably didn't focus enough on them)
So perhaps you are right that this is how he got the tote out.
I'd love to see the pictures of KK entering and leaving with her bags of trash. They HAVE to exist.
Today at 3:38 AM
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Wasn't mentioned, but CB basically confirmed that they bought the condo for KB so wouldn't be odd that they had keys.
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SF noticed when she was pregnant with Kaylee.
This is how it got brought up.
CB was talking about SF finding out KB was pregnant
Viehman: Pregnant with Kaylee, correct?
CB: Yes, but KB was pregnant the year before but lost it around Thanksgiving.
No mention if SF knew about first pregnancy.
Today at 4:00 AM
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