CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #60

[Warwick7]

What I really want to know is if she had sex with him after the cleanup and bonfire. That would be “special place in Hell” material right there..

I think answer is no. Someone may have the link, but, she waited late for the bonfire to burn out. She was tired so she slept in her car. She said she got exasperated with the situation and drove home.

 

[MassGuy]

Gee, it's only 2:00 p.m. there. Wonder what the rest of the day will bring?

Ha, it’s 4:00 there. Court should adjourn in the next hour.

 

[crhedBngr]

Ha, it’s 4:00 there. Court should adjourn in the next hour.

You are correct. My brain is in the Twilight Zone!

 

[Kapua]

Gee, it's only 2:00 p.m. there. Wonder what the rest of the day will bring?

Should be 4 PM there. They'll be out in an hour or less!

 

[Dave F.]

The ex-husband has to have been through hell and back. What a saint he must be. IMO

 

[Hatfield]

Gee, it's only 2:00 p.m. there. Wonder what the rest of the day will bring?

I believe Teller County Colorado is on Mountain time so it is actually 4:00pm there right now if I have my time zones accurate.

Someone can correct me if that is not right.

 

[crhedBngr]

Should be 4 PM there. They'll be out in an hour or less!

I've got time-dyslexia today. Apologies to all who have responded to my post.

Y'all are correct. It's 4:00 p.m. MST.

 

[PommyMommy]

It’s called psychological torture. And he may have demanded KB terminate her pregnancy. She had a miscarriage in 2016 (CB’s testimony). How do we know it wasn’t an abortion and that the second time she just said no. I think KB stood up to PF more than we know and it got her killed. I have been waiting for testimony. I don’t like KK but he sounds like a monster. As for child support we aren’t sure how long he really paid it and he stopped a few months before killing her. Child support shouldn’t have to be court ordered by the way.

Child support was paid from birth through July 2018. MOO

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Those child support payments were made from Oct 2017 (child’s birth) to July 2018, and Slater noted one of the last payments was about $150 short with “registration and taxes” written on the check. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee
2:25 PM - 5 Nov 2019

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Cold hearted.

 

[Dave F.]

I believe Teller County Colorado is on Mountain time so it is actually 4:00pm there right now if I have my time zones accurate.

Someone can correct me if that is not right.

You are correct. 4:00 pm MST

 

[Love Never Fails]

The ex-girlfriend can take care of herself quite well. I can't buy that idea. Sorry. JMO

That doesn’t mean he didn’t say it. And apparently it’s true. He does know how to hide a body.

 

[MyBelle]

This is probably a terrible analogy, but all I can think about is Princess Diana and Camille. For some reason, he felt that Kelsey was good enough, twice, to try and have a baby with. With Krystal, she was pretty much good for a few things, but not carrying his child.

Good grief, thank goodness she didn't have that child with him- imagine the exorcism that would have been needed at the Franch, after having two women with babies dragging poor ole Patrick down, sucking up all of his money and time. ggggrrrr

PF couldn't force any woman to have an abortion or to keep his child. That's the woman's choice. Just as not notifying police of PF's threat to harm her child. KK has a track record of incredibly bad choices.

Krystal was married to another man when claims she got pregnant. I can't begin to imagine how it makes her husband and children feel.

JMO

 

[Lhughessk]

The ex-husband has to have been through hell and back. What a saint he must be. IMO

I don’t follow. I know nothing about the guy. How do we know that he must be a saint?

 

[Kapua]

The ex-husband has to have been through hell and back. What a saint he must be. IMO

He and his kids have my best wishes. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

PF couldn't force any woman to have an abortion or to keep his child. That's the woman's choice. Just as not notifying police of PF's threat to harm her child. KK has a track record of incredibly bad choices.

Krystal was married to another man when claims she got pregnant. I can't begin to imagine how it makes her husband and children feel.

JMO

They have my sympathy as well however, surely it pales in comparison to the pain the Berreth's have endured after PF beat their daughter to death with a baseball bat. MOO

 

[Lhughessk]

It’s called psychological torture. And he may have demanded KB terminate her pregnancy. She had a miscarriage in 2016 (CB’s testimony). How do we know it wasn’t an abortion and that the second time she just said no. I think KB stood up to PF more than we know and it got her killed. I have been waiting for testimony. I don’t like KK but he sounds like a monster. As for child support we aren’t sure how long he really paid it and he stopped a few months before killing her. Child support shouldn’t have to be court ordered by the way.

Child support should always be formalized with the court, so the payer can’t just stop on a whim.

 

[Steelslady]

Snipped for Focus:

On what planet does PF seem to have been willing to pay child support, when he was in arrears on said payments, and in fact murdered the mother of his child to avoid further payments?

Have we been teleported into an episode of "Stranger Things?"
I feel like we're in the Upside Down here.

I gotta agree with the bit about PF being a "hands-on co-parent," though:

PF sure went "hands-on" with KB in that townhome on November 22nd, 2018, didn't he?

"Willingly paid child support," my EYE.

Speaking of which, I now have a tic in my left eye.

JMO.

No, no, please don't compare this to "Stranger Things". That's my favorite show! PF and KK's names shouldn't be associated with it!

The old saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" I think applies here. I'm done with it.

 

[Alathea]

For those wondering why in the world KK kept going back to him. I would point out that KB probably experienced a lot of the same coldness from him that KK did. Yet she stayed. And despite no commitment from him, she got pregnant not just once but twice. And when he stopped paying support for months, she still wanted it to work and was excited about spending the holidays with him.
Not trying to lift up KK or bring down KB. I’m just saying that a psychological torturer like PF finds ways to keep you in his web even while actively doing things to cause you harm. He probably makes a sport of it, seeing just how far he can go and still keep you wanting him.

What did PF do that actually caused KK, or her dog or her children, physical harm? PF is on trial for murder, not for psychological torture.
KK claims PF made her have an abortion yet he didn't demand KB have an abortion. PF seems have to have been a hands-on co-parent who willingly paid child support even though not under a court order to do so.
JMO

BBM @Lhughessk points out a common trait of abusers: psychological torture. Psychological abuse and controlling are traits of violent abusers and are usually found with killers, esp those who kill their partners (whether gf, wife, or stbx).

This is also why they bring up PF's animal abuse: another common trait of abusers/killers.

Psychological abuse and control are highly relevant to physical abuse; therefore a trial for murder of a partner will often bring up their propensity to control and emotionally manipulate the victim, as well as them having done so in past relationships with others.

Paying child support and being 'hands-on' - in the sense of just being controlling about the child - does NOT make a parent.

We do not know if PF requested that KB have an abortion. He may well have strongly requested that she get an abortion, and she refused to do so. Many psychologically abusive men have demanded that their partners get an abortion, but the woman did not do so. KB was more independent than KK in many ways. She was able to get employment, and may have known her parents would help. (She also wasn't married to someone else at the time, as was KK!)

 

[MemPat]

I'm not a psych professional, but I'll give it a whirl: Cranius Anusii (otherwise abbreviated commonly as H.U.A. and known as Head Up @$$).

That whole deal of hers of ignoring whatever is going on and hoping it goes away reminds me of ostriches sticking their heads in the ground in response to a stressor. I hope she didn't behave like that while she was working as a nurse: "Oh, Mr. Smith, I know you said you were having chest pain, but if we wait a little while I'm sure it'll go away on it's own. No, don't be silly, chest pain doesn't indicate a possible heart attack."

So good and award-worthy!
How will GK ever choose?

 

[GordianKnot]

Child support was paid from birth through July 2018. MOO

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Those child support payments were made from Oct 2017 (child’s birth) to July 2018, and Slater noted one of the last payments was about $150 short with “registration and taxes” written on the check. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee
2:25 PM - 5 Nov 2019

BBM:

Interesting!

A Deadbeat Dad who "willingly paid child support."

Funny, I would have said that was an oxymoron.

Ah, well....what do I know?

JMO.