CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #61

[NoeticSoul]

If the trough was 75% rusted out, I'm surprised it would hold the concentrated weight of a human body in a container but then, I still don't believe KB's body was in the container.

JMO

Curious where do you think it was then?

 

[MsBetsy]

this.

Basically they got out that yah she's a liar and yah she didn't come forward until a plea deal. But they couldn't and they didn't discredit any of the actual murder plot/cleanup whatever.

Edit to say: I thought the cross-exam on her would be a lot worse/harder on her than it was.

I'm sure the jury agrees that KK is a horrible person for not doing anything to stop the murder and not going to LE before she got caught.

I'm not sure how important it is if they don't believe she cleaned up the crime scene because she wanted Kelsey's parents to know what happened, or that she left evidence behind so investigators would find it, or that she was afraid of PF.

All those things involve her reasoning and her feelings and her fear of looking like a bad person.

What they are probably more concerned about are the details of the crime, the sequence of events, and the evidence that matches her story.
They want to know how the crime went down.

Naturally she feels guilty and is going to make excuses for why she didn't do this or that or why she didn't tell anybody. But those things are harder to prove, or disprove.

As long as she isn't lying about her involvement, or anything she knows about the actual crime, I would think they would find her testimony credible.

Imo

 

[Steelslady]

Can't feel sympathy for KK but I feel pain for her children who have to grow up and live with this knowledge of how their Mother was so callous about the killing of another Mother. How will this event do harm to their own lives?

Agree, just like Emily Glass in the Lucas Hernandez case- her children have that same knowledge as Krystal's children do, and that has to be frightening and devastating for them. Unfortunately, in this day and age with social media, it will be hard for them to live out their lives privately, as there will always be someone who will point out who their mother's are. If Krystal had just done the right thing- even if she did travel to Kelsey's condo, to make sure that the murder did happen- as soon as she saw the condo and the blood, she should have called LE and told them everything. But no, she's acting like she was all scared of Patrick- if you're so scared of someone, why would you drive all that distance and back, to clean up their mess? Makes sense to me- NOT!

 

[MemPat]

It gets harder and harder by the day for the defense to do anything.

The evidence is piling up, and there is corroboration on top of corroboration.

For instance, the account of the fire by KK. Today it was corroborated by two independent witnesses.

And we still haven’t heard about what the physical evidence shows.

As I listened to Sam speak of the ranch hands moving dirt to cover the burn site, I had a mental picture of Patrick lying in a hole as shovel full after shovel full was heaped on top of him.

Who can tell which evidence will cut off his air supply but it's coming and there's no turning it around.

KK is unredeemable and the jury knew that going in.
No amount of snippy rhetoric from the defense attorney makes her look worse.
She is what she is.

But each bit of corroboration for her story from the prosecution proves Patrick's guilt.
It too is what it is.

Bring on the tooth that would not be hidden.....
Kelsey wields the last shovel.

 

[Seattle1]

No Sam at trial tomorrow. He is best man at a wedding. Nooooooooo!

He's dedicated -- even though no court on Monday -- he'll be back on Sunday. (Thinks he might do something on fb on Sunday night). Love him.

 

[afitzy]

If the trough was 75% rusted out, I'm surprised it would hold the concentrated weight of a human body in a container but then, I still don't believe KB's body was in the container.

JMO

@MyBelle, Do you have a considered alternative theory as to where KB might have been if she weren't in the trough? Why are you not convinced about the trough?

 

[GoJacks]

If the trough was 75% rusted out, I'm surprised it would hold the concentrated weight of a human body in a container but then, I still don't believe KB's body was in the container.

JMO

What?

Why would it need to "hold weight"

It was on gravel. Gravel that has burns scars on it.

....I have no idea where you're going with this.

 

[MsJosie]

I know. Shorthand would certainly come in handy for times like this. Much faster, too, than trying to type on little phones. JMO Give me shorthand any day- faster and you have all the details in front of you.

I did not take shorthand, but I did take and still use abbreviation note taking. Almost anyone can read your notes...such as people would be ppl, house would be hse,...provided a link below. It sure does mess with spell check )

https://www.adelaide.edu.au/writing...ocs/learningguide-notetakingabbreviations.pdf

 

[MemPat]

Yes. I wondered if they talked. Some figured whoever was with him had.

So they only discovered these two when they were seen on video at the landfill?

LE talked with them and learned of them filling in the burn pit at the franch?

Would LE have interviewed them before KK told her story or am I completely confused?

 

[susiQ]

I think he's just pure evil and plain stupid. MOO

Can't argue with that!

 

[Seattle1]

I had asked why the media keeps mentioning her name is now Lee, not Kenney. Seattle said KK requested at this trial that she be recognized by her name Lee. But Kenney is her maiden name and she is divorced. So I guess she still uses her married name but the warrants and charges said mostly Kenney.

Still think she's rebranding herself!! (She also blackened her daddy's name -- hope they disown her).

If amateurs someday do a background search on her under "Lee" they aren't going to find her criminal record.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Just think if ol Patrick could have done his own dirty work it would be much more likely he could have gotten away with it.

True, but not if he had killed her On Thanksgiving day, like he did. I don't see how he could have had time to clean the condo, well enough to make it look like she had just left on her own.

I think he might have been caught pretty quickly if
---he didn't clean as thoroughly as the Nurse did...
---and he spent a lot of time there cleaning and totally missed his family holiday

Her parents would have called in the wellness check and LE might have seen evidence of a crime scene

He may have still been caught because he did take her cell when he left and that would have been suspicious, even without KK

 

[oviedo]

No Sam at trial tomorrow. He is best man at a wedding. Nooooooooo!

He’s not getting married come on! He can do the Friday night rehearsal dinner after court depending on the time zone -more importantly who decided to get married during the trial ? All kidding aside I bet he is torn this has been a career maker for him IMO

 

[MyBelle]

I wonder if she'll shock us all, like Patrick's brother did, and tell the truth. We all better alert our families as to where the smelling salts are located, in case they find us all on the floor, passed out from shock.

How will we know SF is telling the truth? I think she'll testify they often carefully burned refuse at the ranch which is what the ranch hand testified. What I would like to know is how she'll explain calling KB a hooker.

JMO

 

[Sivysaysmimi]

Long time lurker and way behind and trying to catch up, but absolutely stuck on PF not feeling well this morning...suck it up buttercup. They delayed proceedings for this?? Did sweet Kelsey get any kind of consideration from PF?? Am just appalled. Drag his sorry, sick, twisted, murderous behind in on time. Let the jury see him "sick" because he knows his goose is rightfully cooked...

 

[MemPat]

I'm sure the jury agrees that KK is a horrible person for not doing anything to stop the murder and not going to LE before she got caught.

I'm not sure how important it is if they don't believe she cleaned up the crime scene because she wanted Kelsey's parents to know what happened, or that she left evidence behind so investigators would find it, or that she was afraid of PF.

All those things involve her reasoning and her feelings and her fear of looking like a bad person.

What they are probably more concerned about are the details of the crime, the sequence of events, and the evidence that matches her story.
They want to know how the crime went down.

Naturally she feels guilty and is going to make excuses for why she didn't do this or that or why she didn't tell anybody. But those things are harder to prove, or disprove.

As long as she isn't lying about her involvement, or anything she knows about the actual crime, I would think they would find her testimony credible.

Imo

Not excusing KK at all but you almost would expect her to try to redeem herself with family and friends who really want to believe she's not 100% evil.

I think the jurors might wonder if they wouldn't do the same.

I just don't expect them to throw out such well corroborated testimony to make the point that KK's a liar (though she is).

They've looked at BabyK's family and it's not lost on them what happens to that little girl if Patrick goes home.

The evidence is there and I'm thinking it will take about two hours of deliberation.
(an hour for a good lunch and time to touch up their make-up)

 

[NoeticSoul]

How will we know SF is telling the truth? I think she'll testify they often carefully burned refuse at the ranch which is what the ranch hand testified. What I would like to know is how she'll explain calling KB a hooker.

JMO

She probably won't explain anything.

 

[LietKynes]

As I listened to Sam speak of the ranch hands moving dirt to cover the burn site, I had a mental picture of Patrick lying in a hole as shovel full after shovel full was heaped on top of him.

Who can tell which evidence will cut off his air supply but it's coming and there's no turning it around.

KK is unredeemable and the jury knew that going in.
No amount of snippy rhetoric from the defense attorney makes her look worse.
She is what she is.

But each bit of corroboration for her story from the prosecution proves Patrick's guilt.
It too is what it is.

Bring on the tooth that would not be hidden.....
Kelsey wields the last shovel.

LBM

Thanks ! I loved that !
Good and sad all at once.

 

[MsJosie]

One thing that I’m insanely curious about but I suspect we’ll never know the answer too is how much mom knew about what happened before, during and after.

What do you guys think?

I think mom and son talked about “what if KB died” and then mentioned several different ways such as a car accident, break in at house, etc. As time went on, mom could probably tell by PF behavior that he was planning on murder. When PF was late for turkey, she knew and seeing KK confirmed it, the fire was the final confirmation. If PF did not let mom in on planning she can get by with “I don’t know”. Liar liar pants on fire...

 

[MassGuy]

How will we know SF is telling the truth? I think she'll testify they often carefully burned refuse at the ranch which is what the ranch hand testified. What I would like to know is how she'll explain calling KB a hooker.

JMO

If she buries her son, she is telling the truth. If she does anything but that, then she is lying.

It’s simple, because that fire happened.