CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #61

[Dave F.]

Not a bunch. He spoke to KOAA and to PEOPLE. Other sources have stories where they quote from those two sources. Two is not a bunch. And 99% of it is not even about KB but about PF, because he was being asked for his impressions of the guy. What was he supposed to do - lie and say he saw the guy for the monster he is from the start?

Some others didn't seem to have a problem with saying they recognized him as a monster from the day they met him. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20 IMO

 

[katydid23]

I DONT agree at all on this subject. People are SO worried others (tourists, campers, neighbors) will start a fire and it will burn down their homes. A huge source of paranoia up
Here.

Same in rural California. Even on ranches and farms, if there is a ban, neighbours will report any fires because of the constant wildfire dangers here. I think Colorado has the same issues with wildfires. JMO

 

[TheVic]

ok. snark: I was just watching the local news report of the first half of today and they ran the footage of KK's first courthouse appearance and her mug shot. Man, she has let herself go since then...I imagine in my own head that she's just given up getting her hair lightened these days. Her roots are half the length of her hair now. I hope she has a low grade tension constantly bothering her now. I mean, you guys, HOW WOULD YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELVES? I bet she thinks of that condo every single day of her life. I bet she wonders What. Was. I. Thinking.

How did she live with herself and sleep at night before the murder? Knowing full well someone was going to lose their mommy, their daughter, their sister, their friend. Sickening.

 

[MassGuy]

Some others didn't seem to have a problem with saying they recognized him as a monster from the day they met him. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20 IMO

Context is everything. Someone in a romantic relationship with him is going to see him very differently than someone in a work setting (for instance).

 

[MsBetsy]

That is brilliant! I bet you are right!

I didn't even realize KK had a truck.
What was her reason for borrowing the car? Better gas mileage? Registration was expired?

I bet it's true that she didn't want to bring the truck because it would be the perfect excuse not to be able to transport the body.

Either that or she thought if she did get stuck dumping the body, at least there would be no evidence in her own vehicle.

Imo

 

[Artis]

My speculation about this entire tragic ordeal is that both KK and PF are narcissists. KK was so infatuated with PF because he was a challenge to her. PF thought of her as someone who could be easily manipulated. In a way, I think that he underestimated her.

I believe that PF thought that KK was so enthralled with him that she would do anything for him, to include murder. He wanted her to murder KB and possibly take the rap for it if caught.

KK played along with his "game" three times, each time having an excuse to back out. I'm not sure that she ever thought that he would really go through with actually murdering KB if he had to do it himself.

I actually think that this is the reason that he didn't dispose of KB until KK arrived. He still wanted to implicate her in the murder, even if it were after the fact.

We know that KK is not playing with a full deck due to her reaction when PF calls her to clean up the murder scene. Any woman in her right mind would call the police and explain the phone call and the previous requests.

I personally would be scared to death to drive out of state to help a murderer clean up a crime scene, not only because of the gruesomeness, but also because I would think that I was being lured to town to be murdered myself.

I guess, by involving KK as an accessory after the fact, PF thought she would never admit to anything. She had too much to lose--her career, her family, basically, her life as she once knew it.

BTW - I think that KK outsmarted PF again when he tried to get her to take KB's body with her and dispose of it. Once again, IMO, he was trying to set her up as the murderer and to keep LE off his trail.

IMO, she will spin this entire sordid story. Her friends and family will buy her version, forgive her, and she will move on without missing a beat in a few years.

She could have been a hero and saved a mother's life. Instead, she turned out to be a narcissistic zero, who, in the end, one-upped her narcissistic challenge.

When push comes to shove, it's every man for himself. PF wanted her to take the fall. She's crowing inside that she outplayed him at his own game.

KB and her loved ones are the losers in this entire mess. Very, very sad.

Good analysis. This is how it works in organized crime and politics, too. That way everyone has dirt on each other and nobody talks unless their own neck is on the chopping block. She never would have ratted him out if she hadn't been contacted by the FBI.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

There’s an issue with that, and it’s found in the affidavit. MG apparently asked to borrow KK’s truck, and not the other way around.

It’s quite the coincidence, and we have yet to hear from MG. If we take this at face value, then KK merely got very lucky with that built in excuse (small car with expired registration).

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf

I know; however, I thought that this story was a little too convenient. It might be that it just happened that way because KK didn't know that PF was going to murder KB on Thanksgiving.

 

[Dave F.]

Did KK ever take a lie detector?

Lie detectors are net very common in Colorado. I'm not sure, but I don't think they are acceptable in court. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I know; however, I thought that this story was a little too convenient. It might be that it just happened that way because KK didn't know that PF was going to murder KB on Thanksgiving.

Yeah, that’s why I want to hear from MG. I said “if we take this at face value,” but I take nothing at face value.

 

[Seattle1]

Court documents detail Idaho nurse's role in death of Kelsey Berreth

Feb 20, 2019

In court Tuesday, prosecutors alleged Berreth's fiancée, Patrick Frazee, blindfolded Berreth on Thanksgiving Day, before hitting and killing her with a baseball bat. That information came from Frazee's former girlfriend, Krystal Lee Kenney. The Twin Falls woman agreed to testify against Frazee as part of a plea deal for tampering with evidence.

KTVB spoke with former Idaho attorney general and lieutenant governor, Dave Leroy about how a deal like that comes about and if a judge can throw out that deal if more information is released.

“She is both a criminal and a witness and in this case. They determined it was so important that she be available as a witness, they gave her a favorable plea deal,” Leroy said. “The authority that the judge will have in regard to Ms. Lee is simply to sentence her within the maximum or minimums of the crime that is presented to him or her."

Leroy says the judge cannot void the plea deal because they are bound by the decisions of the prosecutor. ^^bbm

[...]

“Ms. Lee, the Idaho resident, actually was a principle as a criminal in a couple of things, she destroyed evidence here in Idaho, she gave initially false statements to investigators in Idaho, both of those are crimes here,” Leroy said.

When it comes to the Colorado activity though, Leroy says, Kenney is considered an accessory after the fact.

 

[Hatfield]

Most interesting, to me, is how KK doesn't seem to need much sleep! Does Thanksgiving dinner at her house; up at some ungodly hour for work; works nearly 12 hours; switches cars and drives 12 hours; cleans a murder scene; travels more to get body and make phone calls; hangs around for the burn and then drives back for 12 hours. WTH?

It surprised me too as testimony came out about her phone tracking. I thought for sure she would have to spend at least one night there in Colorado but it sounds like she may have just taken power naps to accomplish it. We did see during testimony tweets that she took one nap on the road on the drive to Colorado and another during the burn taking so long so apparantly she managed to get a little sleep but not much.

Maybe she had some sort of medicine that helped keep her awake is another possibility. Afterall there was talk of her possibly using Ambien in the failed coffee poisoning and so maybe she had access to drugs or had her own prescription of something that helped her stay awake.

 

[MassGuy]

Lie detectors are net very common in Colorado. I'm not sure, but I don't think they are acceptable in court. JMO

This has nothing to do with being admissible in court. It has to do with vetting a cooperating witness’ alibi.

This is standard practice in cases like this, as you want to make sure you’re being told the truth before you agree to a deal.

 

[Lhughessk]

Some others didn't seem to have a problem with saying they recognized him as a monster from the day they met him. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20 IMO

Yes it is. And just because people claim to have known something, that doesn’t mean they actually did.

 

[MsBetsy]

Most interesting, to me, is how KK doesn't seem to need much sleep! Does Thanksgiving dinner at her house; up at some ungodly hour for work; works nearly 12 hours; switches cars and drives 12 hours; cleans a murder scene; travels more to get body and make phone calls; hangs around for the burn and then drives back for 12 hours. WTH?

Maybe she took something to help her stay awake.
I wonder how she slept when she got home.

 

[MemPat]

you mean two for Neigh?

Priceless! Absolutely priceless, Yawning.

 

[Kapua]

I didn't even realize KK had a truck.
What was her reason for borrowing the car? Better gas mileage? Registration was expired?

I bet it's true that she didn't want to bring the truck because it would be the perfect excuse not to be able to transport the body.

Either that or she thought if she did get stuck dumping the body, at least there would be no evidence in her own vehicle.

Imo

IIRC her friend was moving and needed a truck. MOO because I don't have a link handy.

 

[Simply Southern]

Maybe, as a nurse, she has a stash of Adderall...

All hospital staff are subject to random drug test and if suspected of drug abuse.

Random testing is a monthly lotto, selected by an off site company.

You go get the employee, escort straight to the lab with NO prior notification.

Refusal is immediate termination, escorted out of facility and the Board of Medcine can be notified.

You can loose your license.

Moo..

 

[dlharris2712]

I keep hearing stories of how bad prisons are for men who kill children, etc. but if memory serves me correctly, Chris Watts is alive and well and won’t go away. He loves attention. I just never hear stories of these creeps having karma served upon them.

I just read an article that said CW is..."tormented by his past"...BOO f*****g HOO!!! "a source familiar with Watts tells PEOPLE that he has finally taken responsibility for his actions. “He has nothing to do but think,” says the source. “He thinks about what he did every day. He is tormented by his past and the mistakes he made.” The source tells PEOPLE that Watts has a long road ahead of him. “He’s left alone with his thoughts for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Every day. Birthdays. Holidays. Special occasions. He’s there in jail, in his cell, thinking about what happened. He’s in his own private hell.” moo

 

[Best of What's Around]

I;ve often thought PF learned several lessons from Chris Watts. Like STFU for one. Watts cooked his goose early on with his pressers. I saw that guy on the local news the first time he spoke and I looked at SO and said He did it. Period.

Exactly! Yet, I did not think PF’s look was good, either - he came across to the press as completely uninterested in helping and even rude/mean. Regardless of what the press might be putting you through, it is not a good look for a statistical prime suspect. For Watts, I don’t think he had much choice but to speak to the press or look completely guilty (entire family including small children missing), but he should have (as should have PF) simply read a preprepared statement saying all the right things with the right amount of emotion and asked politely for privacy. But then again, cold blooded murderers are unlikely to be able to pull off the right amount of emotion and caring I suppose.

PF did not start off on the right foot with the public in my view, either....but yes, it was certainly more of a mystery at first than CW’s pathetic pressers gave away.

 

[dlharris2712]

Most interesting, to me, is how KK doesn't seem to need much sleep! Does Thanksgiving dinner at her house; up at some ungodly hour for work; works nearly 12 hours; switches cars and drives 12 hours; cleans a murder scene; travels more to get body and make phone calls; hangs around for the burn and then drives back for 12 hours. WTH?

Meth...??? moo