CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #61

[dixiegirl1035]

Morning all - I really hope that they get SF on the stand soon. After reading your post a thought just came to me. How did KB hear that SF said those things about her? Did that come from PF or directly from SF? Because PF made up a lot of lies about KB. He told those lies to friends, and I assume family. Perhaps he made all of that up because he wanted to keep his family away from KB and keep KB away from his mother because his mother knew he was involved with KK at the same time. His true self and lies would be exposed if KB got too close to his family. His family could probably tell her endless stories of bad things PF had done and PF probably didn't want her to hear it. PF might have manufactured all of these lies to keep his two worlds from colliding. And where did that $700 come from that he was paying for child support each month. I would like to see his finances. Just a thought . . . JMOO.

Moo, that is what sociopaths/psychopaths do as to #1 to control the story.

They isolate players from each other so they cannot be identified as to what they are doing and their manipulations and lies. We have seen this again and again with him! From taking his baby to his work and lying with groundwork (mom is an alcoholic, she disappears, I have primary custody) to the murder.

MOO

 

[justme11]

Why does Ma sit out in the hallway every day? In case she's called, to blow sonny boy a kiss? Just curious

 

[Black eyed pea]

Moo, that is what sociopaths/psychopaths do as to #1 to control the story. The isolate players from each other so they cannot be identified as to what they are doing and their manipulations and lies. We have seen this again and again with him! From taking his baby to his work and lying with groundwork (mom is an alcoholic, she disappears, I have primary custody) to the murder.

MOO

I completely agree with you on this. It will be interesting to hear from SF and PF's other family members and everything about the money issues. I'm praying she doesn't take the 5th and opens up and tells the truth. #JusticeforKelsey

 

[Yellow Rose]

Ma is not allowed inside until she has completed her testimony.

 

[PommyMommy]

Stephanie (Butzer) Rose on Twitter
Good morning from Cripple Creek. We’re back in court today for day six of the #PatrickFrazee murder trial. He’s accused of killing his fiancée #KelseyBerreth and soliciting his ex #KrystalKenney to help.

You can catch up on all of our coverage here: https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/kelsey-berreth-case …

7:56 AM - 8 Nov 2019 from Teller County Courthouse

 

[Hatfield]

Why does Ma sit out in the hallway every day? In case she's called, to blow sonny boy a kiss? Just curious

Just guessing

So she can get play-by-play updates at every break from whoever she has on the inside (maybe PF Sister?). She is probably making sure she knows what is being said so that when its her turn, she knows where she has to use her "i dont remember" or plead the 5th excuses.

I am preparing myself that we may not get a whole lot of information from her when its her turn.

 

[PommyMommy]

Jakob Rodgers on Twitter
Good morning, everyone. I'm back in Cripple Creek for the sixth day of testimony in the first-degree murder trial of #PatrickFrazee, who is accused of kiling his fiancee, #KelseyBerreth. @csgazette

8:00 AM - 8 Nov 2019

Jakob Rodgers on Twitter
I'll again be tweeting updates during the breaks (live-tweeting has been banned by the judge in this case), so follow along for the latest developments.
@csgazette #PatrickFrazee #KelseyBerreth
8:01 AM - 8 Nov 2019

Liz Gelardi on Twitter
Good morning from Cripple Creek where it’s day 6 of the Patrick Frazee trial. We’re about to head into court for the day. Stay tuned for updates. Yesterday his mistress was on the stand. Here’s a recap of the latest testimony: https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/kelsey-berreth-case/patrick-frazee-murder-trial-kenney-testifies-kelsey-berreths-daughter-was-present-for-murder …

8:06 AM - 8 Nov 2019

 

[but maybe]

Agree, just like Emily Glass in the Lucas Hernandez case- her children have that same knowledge as Krystal's children do, and that has to be frightening and devastating for them. Unfortunately, in this day and age with social media, it will be hard for them to live out their lives privately, as there will always be someone who will point out who their mother's are. If Krystal had just done the right thing- even if she did travel to Kelsey's condo, to make sure that the murder did happen- as soon as she saw the condo and the blood, she should have called LE and told them everything. But no, she's acting like she was all scared of Patrick- if you're so scared of someone, why would you drive all that distance and back, to clean up their mess? Makes sense to me- NOT!

So, it would be nicer for her children if she went back to the name Kenney.

 

[gsleuth]

Moo, that is what sociopaths/psychopaths do as to #1 to control the story.

They isolate players from each other so they cannot be identified as to what they are doing and their manipulations and lies. We have seen this again and again with him! From taking his baby to his work and lying with groundwork (mom is an alcoholic, she disappears, I have primary custody) to the murder.

MOO

Yes..CONTROL

https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/sociopath/beware-the-narcissistic-sociopath

Traits of a Narcissistic Sociopath
How do you spot a sociopathic narcissist? Watch for certain traits:

• A driven quest for power. If a narcissistic sociopath cares about anything other than himself, it is destructive power and control over people.
• Behaviors that seek love and admiration. To be sure, this isn't needy love. It's not even emotional love. It's superficial. A narcissistic sociopath sees love and admiration as power tools to manipulate and dominate (Do Sociopaths Even Have Feelings?).
• No apologies, no guilt, no remorse under any circumstance. A sociopathic narcissist believes that she is a gift to the world who makes it richer and more colorful. Therefore, her calculated, even cruel actions are always justified.
• Invincibility. The narcissistic variety of sociopath believes he is indomitable. Even punishment and prison can't stop him. They're merely part of the game.
• Wholly self-serving. The needs and wants of others are insignificant and undeserving of consideration.
• Act as the producer, director, and only actor of his own show. The narcissistic sociopath casts people in roles that increase his power and sense of importance and when bored, casts them aside.

 

[scarletstar]

PRESENT. All caught up! Happy Friday!

 

[Factoria]

I'm confused over the confusion?

His trip not at the Franch was explained that he was gone an hour to get pizza, which perfectly aligns.

Can someone explain what I'm possibly missing here?

My confusion is where was KK at 6:30 pm on Nov 24... SandySQL indicates that she was still at KB's condo, and that she left to head home to Idaho by 7:30... that she was never at the Franchette on the evening of the 24th when the fire took place.

 

[Area52]

And that’s not even remotely the biggest issue with that.

KK is lying. Those boys are lying. The physical evidence is wrong. There is an innocent explanation for PF trying to conceal that location, and hiding the contents. He bought that gas for no reason. And SF intended to plead the Fifth at the preliminary for no reason.

And that’s just off the top of my head. Other than that it’s a great theory, and totally based on some semblance of evidence.

“Let’s just make stuff up.”

As the saying goes...@!#×÷ is bliss!

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Well one of the burner phones was for KK to text KB and try to set up a coffee date as her "Cassie Johnson" alter ego:

Frazee’s attorney asked her how many burner phones she had, to which she said she had two. Prosecutors asked her what she did with the second. She responded that she used it to text Berreth to set up the coffee meeting. She said she burned it after she left on Oct. 21.

Frazee trial: Defense asks why Kenney didn't alert authorities

So slimy. Seriously. How calculating to set that up. But at least admits to it,she has too though or her goose is as cooked as his.
MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

My confusion is where was KK at 6:30 pm on Nov 24... SandySQL indicates that she was still at KB's condo, and that she left to head home to Idaho by 7:30... that she was never at the Franchette on the evening of the 24th when the fire took place.

KK testified she was at the fire.

 

[zea mays]

It gets harder and harder by the day for the defense to do anything.

The evidence is piling up, and there is corroboration on top of corroboration.

For instance, the account of the fire by KK. Today it was corroborated by two independent witnesses.

And we still haven’t heard about what the physical evidence shows.

Yep - even if the jury hates KK and provides no weight to her testimony, you've still got all the other things.

Oh my.
Is there really such a business as selling dog semen?
I thought PF did things the old fashioned way.

Oh yes. My dog's (a retired racing greyhound - so purebred) sire was deceased when he was conceived via frozen dog semen. I can go back to the 1820s to see his lineage.

Sorry, I didn't word that very well. I should have said ...

During training/incidents, questions and frustration arise, when DCPS does not respond in a way we feel appropriate. Trainer or supervisors usually/should be providing and encouraging the Next Step Process...report to supervisors, LE, DCPS and pursue the next level in chain of command.
Lack of action, should not negate responsibly to protect.

ETA... Most training or orientation is covered in risk management.

JMHO ...

Yes, I've been through several mandatory education sessions including information about being a mandatory reporter. My only point was, training varies considerably based on what an organization wants its employees to know. My orientation on mandatory reporting has never been as specific as the things you are mentioning. Just because you or I have received a particular training as a nurse does not mean that KK has or hast not.

Yes. It is a lucrative business just as selling bull semen is a lucrative business. I learned that back in the 70s when I hitched a ride home from college with a high school friend who was in veterinary school. For three hours, I shared the backseat with a container of bull semen. The guy's family ran a dairy farm.

I don't know much about life on a ranch, raising animals. The "hooker" comment really floored me and so did the comment about KB required to stay outside if PF's sister was visiting. That's beyond cruel and I hope SF is asked about it and I hope she answers truthfully.

JMO

Very lucrative.

I agree about the treatment of KB. Just inexcusable.

It's weird because her young children are most likely going by the last name Lee, like their father.

I would respect her more if she was asking everyone to refer to her maiden name, and leave her children out of this mess. I don't understand why she is insisting on using her 'divorced' last name.

I wondered about the switch. Do you think that perhaps she did not ask to have her maiden name restored in the divorce but used it socially? If that’s the case, she may have been required to use her legal name of Lee in the courts.

It’s been confusing since the beginning since both names were out there in the media.

I don’t know. Just something I’ve thought about. MOO

I don't understand this either. You'd think she'd want to stick to one last name throughout the whole thing and THEN start using the other. This way all this is tied to both. It's a puzzler.

Dedication Line: Strength & Vulnerability & Justice

And it turns out he was a missing person
who nobody missed at all...

Great song!

 

[PommyMommy]

Trying to think through what the defense is planning on doing to try to prove their opening statement that KK murdered KB, but not in her condo.

Serious question--what do you guys think? Will they just hold their theory until they close? Are they even allowed to do that if there is no evidence to back up the theory?

If I'm on that jury and have waited five days to hear any mention of anything that remotely supports their opening statement that KB was murdered somewhere else and by someone else other than PF, well... Pfft! *crickets*

I'll say it again, Steigerwald has a sinking ship. MOO

 

[GordianKnot]

Ma is not allowed inside until she has completed her testimony.

Yeah, and if the woman has any scruples whatsoever, she won't want to show her face again in that courtroom after she testifies, either.

I'm banking on her being completely unscrupulous, however.
Shameless, even.

That she would even be capable of, must less want to be, sitting in that courtroom and stare down the B's, is beyond galling.

She's chomping at the bit to get into that gallery.
She'll be there for her baby just as soon as she possibly can, sitting right behind him...
you know, in case he needs his collar straightened, or something.

I hope that woman never sees Baby K again.

Not even so much as a school picture mailed to the franch.

JMO.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I completely agree with you on this. It will be interesting to hear from SF and PF's other family members and everything about the money issues. I'm praying she doesn't take the 5th and opens up and tells the truth. #JusticeforKelsey

I'm thinking, thinking, thinking.

Again, strategically, I think that it would be best that the prosecution not even call her at all.

The momentum for this trial is tremendous. We/media talk about the bombshells every single day. In a positive way. If his mom testifies, I would assume the focus would be on her, and not what is helping to prove the state case.

I was vacillating as to having her as the last witness, or leave her for the defense (if not, lol, a void that screams out)

I still am putting my bets on..... leave her by the wayside. Let the defense call her and then treat her like a dismissive witness for the defense when she pleads the fifth or testifies against allllllllllllllllll the other evidence that has been presented.

 

[Spartygirl]

Day 6 of the Trial.

Roll Call!

Who's Here For Kelsey?

**Raises Hand** I am here.. at work also and trying to catch up on the latest in here.
I am wondering if they are going to leave us with a bombshell today as there is NO Court on Monday so we will have to wait until Tuesday morning -- at least that gives us all a long weekend to discuss LOL

 

[PommyMommy]

PLEASE, LET IT BE MA.

That would be so brilliant...with the upcoming V-Day holiday, the jurors would have 3 full days to stew over her non-testifying testimony before the trail* resumes.

Also, strategically, the one who questions Ma F. needs to be Dan May.
No softy "woman to woman" questioning with that one.
It really needs to be Dan.
Cut and dried, no nonsense, "Just the facts, Ma'am."
Or pleading the 5th.
Whichever.
PF will be torched by either one.

JMO.

*ETA: Ha! I just caught my typo "trail" instead of "trial"....the more I thought about it, though, trail works, too, on account of this trial really is turning out to be that neon flashing trail of bread crumbs we all knew PF left behind him leading LE straight back to him. So, trail it is. Stet.

Yep.

If she pleads the fifth or uses "I don't recall," he's screwed.

If she tells the truth, he's screwed.

Hey rock, meet hard place. ​

MOO