CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #62

[NoeticSoul]

That stove makes you think again about BabyK's burn mark, doesn't it?

Yeah. Didn't PF try to say KB burned the baby with a curling iron?

 

[Gardenista]

Both these statements are similar to what KK said PF said to her:

Re: kids go missing

During a trip to shoe horses, Moore said Frazee said he was having trouble with somebody and told them that “kids go missing all the time from playgrounds and schoolyards.” Moore said he told him he shouldn’t say those things, though Frazee said he was kidding.

Re: having her followed

During that summer, Moore said, Frazee told him about how he had people spying on or watching Berreth and taking pictures of her because he said he wanted to sue her for custody of Kaylee.

Friend testifies Frazee said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her’

 

[skyedaze]

I don't think there are any remains to find.. so PF deserves NO DEAL. moo! He can just rot.

that's so sad...just the tooth..which also ma be no longer as wasn't it the subject of the consumptive testing? If so I hope it can show her DNA. If that's all that is left I hope it can at least leave NO doubt.

 

[NoeticSoul]

that's so sad...just the tooth..which also ma be no longer as wasn't it the subject of the consumptive testing? If so I hope it can show her DNA. If that's all that is left I hope it can at least leave NO doubt.

I hope that tooth speaks for Kelsey too!!

 

[PommyMommy]

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[MemPat]

NOV 8, 2019
Friend testifies Frazee said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her’
[...]

FBI Special Agent Donald Peterson, who works on the Safe Streets Task Force, was the next witness called to the stand. He was also a team leader for the search team.

[...]

He explained how they used hand tools and brushes to remove the dirt and other material Frazee allegedly covered the burn area with to expose a plastic crust in the soil.

He was shown several pictures of the plastic crust and explained how investigators sifted other material that was in the burn pit, and said the way the plastic melted, it appeared to form into the shape of the metal trough.

[...]

May then called FBI Special Agent Stephanie Benitiz to the witness stand, who was involved in the Dec. 14 and 15 searches of Frazee’s home and has special training in searches.

She said they found an ornament and the box it came with that Berreth’s brother had previously testified he sent to [Baby K], as well as paperwork about ownership of a horse with Kenney’s name on it.

She said that there were signs that a child lived there, but few toys at the home. She also testified that the home did not appear safe for a toddler, as there were sharp edges, a hot burning stove in the center of the house with no child gates around it and chemicals around the house.

[...]

She, as did Peterson, also discussed the different consistencies of the soil in the burn area and mentioned finding the partial tooth.

Benitiz said she thought that was significant: “It was a tooth at a site that we had been briefed on where a body had possibly been burned.”

[...]

Moore testified he first met Frazee when Frazee was between 10 and 13 years old when Frazee was riding horses, that he’s been to Fremont County to help Frazee with his cattle and that he’d known Frazee for 20 or 21 years. ...

[...]

In court Friday, he said Frazee had “so much going for him.” Moore said he sometimes called him his step-kid. Through tears in court, Moore testified: “You just don’t want picture somebody that you’ve known this long and trusted – you just don’t want to think that they could do something like this.”

[...]

Moore said the first time he met Berreth was at a ranch around November 2016, when she was helping move Frazee’s calves. ...

“He berated her horribly,” Moore said. “He yelled at her, cussed at her, just terribly.”

[...]

During a trip to shoe horses, Moore said Frazee said he was having trouble with somebody and told them that “kids go missing all the time from playgrounds and schoolyards.” Moore said he told him he shouldn’t say those things, though Frazee said he was kidding.

Moore said that on April 26, 2018, the two were running their bulls on another ranch. Moore said he asked Frazee how things were going with “[Baby K’s] mom,” which Moore said is how Frazee referred to Berreth.

“He said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her,’” Moore testified, “And I went, ‘Don’t even talk about things like that. Get that s--- out of your head.’ He just kind of grinned and said, ‘No body, no crime, right?'”

[...]

During that summer, Moore said, Frazee told him about how he had people spying on or watching Berreth and taking pictures of her because he said he wanted to sue her for custody of [Baby K].

[...]

Moore said he brought up a line from the movie he thought was funny at the time: “Women: Can’t live with ‘em, can’t kill ‘em.”

He said he told the joke to Frazee, laughing lightheartedly. But he said Frazee responded: “Not so. No body, no crime.” Moore said he blew it off as a joke.

[...]

After the FBI took Frazee’s phone in December, he met with Moore in Woodland Park and asked to use his phone to make a call on Dec. 4, 2018. Moore said the call lasted 5 minutes, 58 seconds, according to his cell.

[...]

“If I get arrested — because they’ve taken my phone — I’m going to have my friend here call you and it will be from this phone number so come and get these horses,” Frazee said over the phone, according to Moore.

Moore said the area code for the number was 208, which indicates an Idaho number. He said he never talked to the person Frazee called that day.

[...]

During one of their trips down to Westcliffe to take care of cattle there in December 2018, Frazee mentioned to Moore than Berreth’s blood could be on him. He said she had a nosebleed and put her head in his lap, so he got blood on his pants, shirt and boots.

“Do you think they’ll be able to find any of that even though it’s all been washed?” Frazee asked, according to Moore.

[...]

Frazee said during one call with Moore that their conversation “was being recorded” but he felt like he needed to ask if anything was “disrupted by the red barn” which Moore understood as the red barn at Nash Ranch. Moore said no, and Frazee said, “Oh, alright, just curious.” This phone call had indeed been recorded and was played in court Friday afternoon.

After this call, Moore immediately called Frazee’s attorney and then law enforcement. ...

[...]

Moore was excused but not released and was ordered to stay available to the District Attorney’s Office.

[...]

So Stepfather Moore didn't set off any alarms about Patrick early on when Kelsey's mom was heartbroken on TV, right? Honorable.

Interesting about Patrick's Nash Ranch paranoia. More pieces that fit together.

I always figured Patrick burned his crime scene shoes but now I wonder. Did he think the blood would still show up on them?

 

[Aydrianna523]

I still do not understand why he hated her- she did not have to move to CO, bear his child, etc. She had a good family, a good job.... what was the whole point of this? he invited her out there and commenced a relationship with her. he could have just had his affair with KK. why all this hatred and violence? I will never get it.

@srg What do you think?

 

[afitzy]

I wonder what could cause luminol to have a weird reaction?

Good question. I wish LE had given more info on what other chemicals might have interacted with the luminol to give odd results? Perhaps they didn't want the information in the public domain? IDK.

 

[PommyMommy]

I wasn't there the day they showed pictures of the inside of PF's house but I heard/saw people say it looked like a hoarders house.

Well, it's no place for that precious baby, that's for sure. I know she has plenty of toys now though, and all the love in the world. I just wish she had her mama. MOO

 

[MemPat]

When that witness testified today that PF said “no body, no crime,” I remembered posting early on that PF was clearly thinking that way.

I said “no body, no criminal charges.” Close enough.

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #20 *ARREST*

You're probably going to be surprised if you go back and read how well you knew him.

Scary, huh? You got any bats?

 

[MsBetsy]

That stove makes you think again about BabyK's burn mark, doesn't it?

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if every accident or injury the baby had he attributed to Kelsey.
He probably had the baby at work, someone noticed the burn mark and he told them Kelsey did it intentionally. Just like she slammed the child's finger in the door.

Imo

 

[MemPat]

NOV 8, 2019
Friend testifies Frazee said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her’
[...]

FBI Special Agent Donald Peterson, who works on the Safe Streets Task Force, was the next witness called to the stand. He was also a team leader for the search team.

[...]

He explained how they used hand tools and brushes to remove the dirt and other material Frazee allegedly covered the burn area with to expose a plastic crust in the soil.

He was shown several pictures of the plastic crust and explained how investigators sifted other material that was in the burn pit, and said the way the plastic melted, it appeared to form into the shape of the metal trough.

[...]

May then called FBI Special Agent Stephanie Benitiz to the witness stand, who was involved in the Dec. 14 and 15 searches of Frazee’s home and has special training in searches.

She said they found an ornament and the box it came with that Berreth’s brother had previously testified he sent to [Baby K], as well as paperwork about ownership of a horse with Kenney’s name on it.

She said that there were signs that a child lived there, but few toys at the home. She also testified that the home did not appear safe for a toddler, as there were sharp edges, a hot burning stove in the center of the house with no child gates around it and chemicals around the house.

[...]

She, as did Peterson, also discussed the different consistencies of the soil in the burn area and mentioned finding the partial tooth.

Benitiz said she thought that was significant: “It was a tooth at a site that we had been briefed on where a body had possibly been burned.”

[...]

Moore testified he first met Frazee when Frazee was between 10 and 13 years old when Frazee was riding horses, that he’s been to Fremont County to help Frazee with his cattle and that he’d known Frazee for 20 or 21 years. ...

[...]

In court Friday, he said Frazee had “so much going for him.” Moore said he sometimes called him his step-kid. Through tears in court, Moore testified: “You just don’t want picture somebody that you’ve known this long and trusted – you just don’t want to think that they could do something like this.”

[...]

Moore said the first time he met Berreth was at a ranch around November 2016, when she was helping move Frazee’s calves. ...

“He berated her horribly,” Moore said. “He yelled at her, cussed at her, just terribly.”

[...]

During a trip to shoe horses, Moore said Frazee said he was having trouble with somebody and told them that “kids go missing all the time from playgrounds and schoolyards.” Moore said he told him he shouldn’t say those things, though Frazee said he was kidding.

Moore said that on April 26, 2018, the two were running their bulls on another ranch. Moore said he asked Frazee how things were going with “[Baby K’s] mom,” which Moore said is how Frazee referred to Berreth.

“He said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her,’” Moore testified, “And I went, ‘Don’t even talk about things like that. Get that s--- out of your head.’ He just kind of grinned and said, ‘No body, no crime, right?'”

[...]

During that summer, Moore said, Frazee told him about how he had people spying on or watching Berreth and taking pictures of her because he said he wanted to sue her for custody of [Baby K].

[...]

Moore said he brought up a line from the movie he thought was funny at the time: “Women: Can’t live with ‘em, can’t kill ‘em.”

He said he told the joke to Frazee, laughing lightheartedly. But he said Frazee responded: “Not so. No body, no crime.” Moore said he blew it off as a joke.

[...]

After the FBI took Frazee’s phone in December, he met with Moore in Woodland Park and asked to use his phone to make a call on Dec. 4, 2018. Moore said the call lasted 5 minutes, 58 seconds, according to his cell.

[...]

“If I get arrested — because they’ve taken my phone — I’m going to have my friend here call you and it will be from this phone number so come and get these horses,” Frazee said over the phone, according to Moore.

Moore said the area code for the number was 208, which indicates an Idaho number. He said he never talked to the person Frazee called that day.

[...]

During one of their trips down to Westcliffe to take care of cattle there in December 2018, Frazee mentioned to Moore than Berreth’s blood could be on him. He said she had a nosebleed and put her head in his lap, so he got blood on his pants, shirt and boots.

“Do you think they’ll be able to find any of that even though it’s all been washed?” Frazee asked, according to Moore.

[...]

Frazee said during one call with Moore that their conversation “was being recorded” but he felt like he needed to ask if anything was “disrupted by the red barn” which Moore understood as the red barn at Nash Ranch. Moore said no, and Frazee said, “Oh, alright, just curious.” This phone call had indeed been recorded and was played in court Friday afternoon.

After this call, Moore immediately called Frazee’s attorney and then law enforcement. ...

[...]

Moore was excused but not released and was ordered to stay available to the District Attorney’s Office.

[...]

So LE tapped Patrick's phone early on?

I wonder what else they have.

 

[Seattle1]

NOV 8, 2019
Friend testifies Frazee said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her’
[...]

FBI Special Agent Donald Peterson, who works on the Safe Streets Task Force, was the next witness called to the stand. He was also a team leader for the search team.

[...]

He explained how they used hand tools and brushes to remove the dirt and other material Frazee allegedly covered the burn area with to expose a plastic crust in the soil.

He was shown several pictures of the plastic crust and explained how investigators sifted other material that was in the burn pit, and said the way the plastic melted, it appeared to form into the shape of the metal trough.

[...]

May then called FBI Special Agent Stephanie Benitiz to the witness stand, who was involved in the Dec. 14 and 15 searches of Frazee’s home and has special training in searches.

She said they found an ornament and the box it came with that Berreth’s brother had previously testified he sent to [Baby K], as well as paperwork about ownership of a horse with Kenney’s name on it.

She said that there were signs that a child lived there, but few toys at the home. She also testified that the home did not appear safe for a toddler, as there were sharp edges, a hot burning stove in the center of the house with no child gates around it and chemicals around the house.

[...]

She, as did Peterson, also discussed the different consistencies of the soil in the burn area and mentioned finding the partial tooth.

Benitiz said she thought that was significant: “It was a tooth at a site that we had been briefed on where a body had possibly been burned.”

[...]

Moore testified he first met Frazee when Frazee was between 10 and 13 years old when Frazee was riding horses, that he’s been to Fremont County to help Frazee with his cattle and that he’d known Frazee for 20 or 21 years. ...

[...]

In court Friday, he said Frazee had “so much going for him.” Moore said he sometimes called him his step-kid. Through tears in court, Moore testified: “You just don’t want picture somebody that you’ve known this long and trusted – you just don’t want to think that they could do something like this.”

[...]

Moore said the first time he met Berreth was at a ranch around November 2016, when she was helping move Frazee’s calves. ...

“He berated her horribly,” Moore said. “He yelled at her, cussed at her, just terribly.”

[...]

During a trip to shoe horses, Moore said Frazee said he was having trouble with somebody and told them that “kids go missing all the time from playgrounds and schoolyards.” Moore said he told him he shouldn’t say those things, though Frazee said he was kidding.

Moore said that on April 26, 2018, the two were running their bulls on another ranch. Moore said he asked Frazee how things were going with “[Baby K’s] mom,” which Moore said is how Frazee referred to Berreth.

“He said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her,’” Moore testified, “And I went, ‘Don’t even talk about things like that. Get that s--- out of your head.’ He just kind of grinned and said, ‘No body, no crime, right?'”

[...]

During that summer, Moore said, Frazee told him about how he had people spying on or watching Berreth and taking pictures of her because he said he wanted to sue her for custody of [Baby K].

[...]

Moore said he brought up a line from the movie he thought was funny at the time: “Women: Can’t live with ‘em, can’t kill ‘em.”

He said he told the joke to Frazee, laughing lightheartedly. But he said Frazee responded: “Not so. No body, no crime.” Moore said he blew it off as a joke.

[...]

After the FBI took Frazee’s phone in December, he met with Moore in Woodland Park and asked to use his phone to make a call on Dec. 4, 2018. Moore said the call lasted 5 minutes, 58 seconds, according to his cell.

[...]

“If I get arrested — because they’ve taken my phone — I’m going to have my friend here call you and it will be from this phone number so come and get these horses,” Frazee said over the phone, according to Moore.

Moore said the area code for the number was 208, which indicates an Idaho number. He said he never talked to the person Frazee called that day.

[...]

During one of their trips down to Westcliffe to take care of cattle there in December 2018, Frazee mentioned to Moore than Berreth’s blood could be on him. He said she had a nosebleed and put her head in his lap, so he got blood on his pants, shirt and boots.

“Do you think they’ll be able to find any of that even though it’s all been washed?” Frazee asked, according to Moore.

[...]

Frazee said during one call with Moore that their conversation “was being recorded” but he felt like he needed to ask if anything was “disrupted by the red barn” which Moore understood as the red barn at Nash Ranch. Moore said no, and Frazee said, “Oh, alright, just curious.” This phone call had indeed been recorded and was played in court Friday afternoon.

After this call, Moore immediately called Frazee’s attorney and then law enforcement. ...

[...]

Moore was excused but not released and was ordered to stay available to the District Attorney’s Office.

[...]

More corroboration of KK's statements:

PF did tell KK that kids go missing from school playgrounds.

PF had KB's blood on his clothes that were later washed (alleged nosebleed).

PF called KK from "Joe's" phone.

 

[MassGuy]

You're probably going to be surprised if you go back and read how well you knew him.

Scary, huh? You got any bats?

It was the only thing that made sense. He wasn’t trying to act innocent, and didn’t do the things that people who are innocent, or are feigning innocence, would do.

He shut up. Lawyered up. And was basically saying “you think I’m a murderer? Prove it!”

It was a challenge.

 

[NuttMegg]

Is this weird that LE wouldn't have contacted the owner before they brought Kenney there? Seems like something is missing here, what are "law enforcement items"?
"Julie Nash, who co-owns Nash Ranch, told May that she leased grazing rights to Frazee and that he had a lease for the area, including the barn, as well as a key to the ranch, in November 2018. Nash said nobody else was leasing the ranch at the time and that she knew Frazee kept items in the barn, including a tractor and hay.

She told Frazee’s defense attorney, Adam Stiegerwald, that she found law enforcement items on her property on Dec. 21, the day Kenney said they toured the property."
Friend testifies Frazee said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her’

ETA, maybe it was crime tape?

 

[MemPat]

Good question. I wish LE had given more info on what other chemicals might have interacted with the luminol to give odd results? Perhaps they didn't want the information in the public domain? IDK.

Once again, a look at Patrick's Internet searches could prove helpful.

He may have found some chemical spray that would cause exactly that reaction.

 

[GordianKnot]

I came to my conclusion without adding in anything KK had to say. And yes, I remember CA.

It's not just what KK said on the stand that's critical to the prosecution case, though.

KK actually led the DA to a voluminous amount of information which he would not have known had she not cooperated.

The sweetie beauty of a deal was the price for her cooperation.

KK's cooperation has led to many of these Bombshells being dropped on PF's head.

For example, much of the forensic evidence, i.e., tooth, discolored hay bale, etc., was recovered only because KK told LE where to look for them.

KK also gave context to the evidence that the DA already had in his possession, i.e., cell phone pings, etc.

She was able to take the pieces and assemble them into a cohesive, sequential account, not just random facts that didn't tie together.

The DA is a brilliant man.
He wouldn't have made the deal with KK if he calculated the deal wasn't necessary.

Here's what I said back in March about this subject:
CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

I still stand by these words.

JMO.

 

[Gigi3]

Both these statements are similar to what KK said PF said to her:

Re: kids go missing

During a trip to shoe horses, Moore said Frazee said he was having trouble with somebody and told them that “kids go missing all the time from playgrounds and schoolyards.” Moore said he told him he shouldn’t say those things, though Frazee said he was kidding.

Re: having her followed

During that summer, Moore said, Frazee told him about how he had people spying on or watching Berreth and taking pictures of her because he said he wanted to sue her for custody of Kaylee.

Friend testifies Frazee said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her’

Catching up! I was just going to mention this! The fact that he made the exact same statement about kids missing from the playground to him and to KK really lends credibility to her IMO
Unbelievable what a total jackass PF is!! MOO

 

[Simply Southern]

I’m glad to see you are trying to catch up / I will say this - we didn’t have what we have now without her testimony - others will have their own opinions but I truly believe this was a necessary evil to allow the DA to build what now seems to be a slam dunk case - I’ve followed many trials and cases that never get to that point - it sure looks easy now but It really wasn’t IMO- let me just end with two words - Casey Anthony - and that one had a body

Today, the evidence matches the story, piece by piece. KK knew the story and told it, yes for a drastically reduced sentence.

Dan May paid a high price for KKs testimony, insuring 100% justice is served for KB and her family. That's all there is KB is gone.

MOO

 

[MassGuy]

It's not just what KK said on the stand that's critical to the prosecution case, though.

KK's actually led the DA to a voluminous amount of information which he would not have known had she not cooperated.

The sweetie beauty of a deal was the price for her cooperation.

KK's cooperation has led to many of these Bombshells being dropped on PF's head.

For example, much of the forensic evidence, i.e., tooth, discolored hay bale, etc., was recovered only because KK told LE where to look for them.

KK also gave context to the evidence that the DA already had in his possession, i.e., cell phone pings, etc.

She was able to take the pieces and assemble them into a cohesive, sequential account, not just random facts that didn't tie together.

The DA is a brilliant man.
He wouldn't have made the deal with KK if he calculated the deal wasn't necessary.

Here's what I said back in March about this subject:
CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

I still stand by these words.

JMO.

Exactly. If you’re ok with no one ever being charged with murder, than the deal was a terrible one.

But if you want the murderer to pay, the deal was a necessary one.

You go for both, you almost certainly get neither. There was no murder case without KK.

I’ve seen stronger cases than this one (minus KK’s cooperation, and the tremendous evidence that came with it), languish, likely forever.

They needed her.