CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #62

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  • #241
1) So sad to realize that that’s one more person who didn’t take PF’s threats seriously and warn her/report him. She’s dead and there’s so much collateral damage in so many families. :(

2) It’s now obvious why this case came to trial comparatively quickly.

3) Groom: “Dang it, where the heck is Sam?? He’s supposed to be doing the toast now!” :mad:;)
 
  • #242
It was also surprising to me how the f's had wanted the baby, but they made little/no attempts at making their home safe for one.
 
  • #243
A "Top 10" Blooper Reel for PF is an impossible ask, you do realize that.

It's like trying to come up with a "Top 10" Brushstrokes List for Michelangelo.

PF has managed to turn imbecility into an art form.

He's like the world's most prolific ignoramus in the history of the world.

JMO.
Well, exactly. :oops: MOO
 
  • #244
NOV 8, 2019
Friend testifies Frazee said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her’
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Moore said the first time he met Berreth was at a ranch around November 2016, when she was helping move Frazee’s calves. ...

“He berated her horribly,” Moore said. “He yelled at her, cussed at her, just terribly.”
[...]

I edited, and bolded the above.
This is possibly how PF spoke to Kelsey, the night before her murder, while she was helping him with cattle.:(
Also, his probable shouting at her, when using the bat.
Unbelievable.
MOO.
 
  • #245
Elise Schmelzer on Twitter
UPDATED STORY: Compelling testimony from longtime friend of #PatrickFrazee wraps up the second week of the murder trial. The friend said he had multiple strange conversations with Frazee before and after #KelseyBerreth disappeared.
5:42 PM - 8 Nov 2019

Prosecutors attempt to corroborate witness in Patrick Frazee trial
[...]

... But at the end of Friday’s testimony it remained unclear whether the tooth belonged to the 29-year-old instructor pilot.

[...]

The wide net of the investigation also entangled a longtime friend of Frazee, Joseph Moore, who said he knew Frazee since he was a boy and considered him like a stepson.

But Moore testified that Frazee in April 2018 made a comment that he had “figured out a way” to kill Berreth. Moore reacted in shock, he said, but Frazee didn’t take the comment back.

“He said, ‘No body, no crime’” Moore testified.

Six days after Thanksgiving but before Berreth was reported missing, Moore had a conversation with Frazee during which Frazee worried about having Kelsey Berreth’s blood on his clothes. Frazee said the blood was from a nosebleed Berreth had.

[...]

Moore is only the second person close to Frazee who has been called to testify thus far and became emotional while describing their relationship.

“You don’t want to picture someone you’ve known so long and have trusted,” Moore said, tears in his eyes. “You don’t want to think they could have done something like this.”

[...]
Wait, what??! Oh my PF, oh my.
 
  • #246
NOV 8, 2019
Friend testifies Frazee said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her’
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FBI Special Agent Donald Peterson, who works on the Safe Streets Task Force, was the next witness called to the stand. He was also a team leader for the search team.

[...]

He explained how they used hand tools and brushes to remove the dirt and other material Frazee allegedly covered the burn area with to expose a plastic crust in the soil.

He was shown several pictures of the plastic crust and explained how investigators sifted other material that was in the burn pit, and said the way the plastic melted, it appeared to form into the shape of the metal trough.

[...]

May then called FBI Special Agent Stephanie Benitiz to the witness stand, who was involved in the Dec. 14 and 15 searches of Frazee’s home and has special training in searches.

She said they found an ornament and the box it came with that Berreth’s brother had previously testified he sent to Kaylee, as well as paperwork about ownership of a horse with Kenney’s name on it.

She said that there were signs that a child lived there, but few toys at the home. She also testified that the home did not appear safe for a toddler, as there were sharp edges, a hot burning stove in the center of the house with no child gates around it and chemicals around the house.

[...]

She, as did Peterson, also discussed the different consistencies of the soil in the burn area and mentioned finding the partial tooth.

Benitiz said she thought that was significant: “It was a tooth at a site that we had been briefed on where a body had possibly been burned.”

[...]

Moore testified he first met Frazee when Frazee was between 10 and 13 years old when Frazee was riding horses, that he’s been to Fremont County to help Frazee with his cattle and that he’d known Frazee for 20 or 21 years. ...

[...]

In court Friday, he said Frazee had “so much going for him.” Moore said he sometimes called him his step-kid. Through tears in court, Moore testified: “You just don’t want picture somebody that you’ve known this long and trusted – you just don’t want to think that they could do something like this.”

[...]

Moore said the first time he met Berreth was at a ranch around November 2016, when she was helping move Frazee’s calves. ...

“He berated her horribly,” Moore said. “He yelled at her, cussed at her, just terribly.”

[...]

During a trip to shoe horses, Moore said Frazee said he was having trouble with somebody and told them that “kids go missing all the time from playgrounds and schoolyards.” Moore said he told him he shouldn’t say those things, though Frazee said he was kidding.

Moore said that on April 26, 2018, the two were running their bulls on another ranch. Moore said he asked Frazee how things were going with “Kaylee Jo’s mom,” which Moore said is how Frazee referred to Berreth.

“He said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her,’” Moore testified, “And I went, ‘Don’t even talk about things like that. Get that s--- out of your head.’ He just kind of grinned and said, ‘No body, no crime, right?'”

[...]

During that summer, Moore said, Frazee told him about how he had people spying on or watching Berreth and taking pictures of her because he said he wanted to sue her for custody of [Baby K].

[...]

Moore said he brought up a line from the movie he thought was funny at the time: “Women: Can’t live with ‘em, can’t kill ‘em.”

He said he told the joke to Frazee, laughing lightheartedly. But he said Frazee responded: “Not so. No body, no crime.” Moore said he blew it off as a joke.

[...]

After the FBI took Frazee’s phone in December, he met with Moore in Woodland Park and asked to use his phone to make a call on Dec. 4, 2018. Moore said the call lasted 5 minutes, 58 seconds, according to his cell.

[...]

“If I get arrested — because they’ve taken my phone — I’m going to have my friend here call you and it will be from this phone number so come and get these horses,” Frazee said over the phone, according to Moore.

Moore said the area code for the number was 208, which indicates an Idaho number. He said he never talked to the person Frazee called that day.

[...]

During one of their trips down to Westcliffe to take care of cattle there in December 2018, Frazee mentioned to Moore than Berreth’s blood could be on him. He said she had a nosebleed and put her head in his lap, so he got blood on his pants, shirt and boots.

“Do you think they’ll be able to find any of that even though it’s all been washed?” Frazee asked, according to Moore.

[...]

Frazee said during one call with Moore that their conversation “was being recorded” but he felt like he needed to ask if anything was “disrupted by the red barn” which Moore understood as the red barn at Nash Ranch. Moore said no, and Frazee said, “Oh, alright, just curious.” This phone call had indeed been recorded and was played in court Friday afternoon.

After this call, Moore immediately called Frazee’s attorney and then law enforcement. ...

[...]

Moore was excused but not released and was ordered to stay available to the District Attorney’s Office.

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Thank you for all that you do @PommyMommy :) I'm so glad this LOSER is TOAST.
 
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  • #248
Whether it's true or not (and I highly doubt it as hiring men to watch someone costs money and Patrick had none), the important thing is that KK's words are repeated by another person to whom Patrick spoke.
yes. i don't think for one minute PF paid anyone money (cuz he doesn't have any) to watch anyone or be a hitman.
 
  • #249
I'm quite sure his lawyers encouraged/advised/begged PF to take a plea.

I imagine that at this point, Steigerwald and Porter are curled up in fetal positions under the defense table, rocking back and forth with their hands clapped over their ears, humming loudly and/or chanting, "Make it stop, make it stop, make it stop" to block out the sounds of the nails being driven home.

Probably why Sells banned a sketch artist, come to think of it...he wanted to leave those poor, hapless public defenders with some semblance of dignity.

JMO.

You deserve an award for this hysterical depiction of the defense team! I don’t know if I’ve ever laughed so hard!

This has been an A+ day in the trial, and your humor was the icing on the cake .... a million thanks for lightening the somber mood, as we all know how devastating and shocking this case has been.

I’ve gone from tears to laughter this week, and feel our prayers are being answered more and more with each witness.
 
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Well, exactly. :oops: MOO

Haaaa!

Now, THAT one definitely makes the Top 10 list, the fact that the Top 10 list is an impossible ask, notwithstanding.

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  • #252
A bloody nose....

I'm ill.

He might've had some blood on his pants, shirt and boots, because she had a bloody nose. No, you used a baseball bat....

I have no words.

MOO
 
  • #253
I doubt it.
Yeah, the time has come and gone for a plea deal like that.

That offer very well may have been made months ago, and PF rejected it.
 
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  • #255
A bloody nose....

I'm ill.

He might've had some blood on his pants, shirt and boots, because she had a bloody nose. No, you used a baseball bat....

I have no words.

MOO

I don't think Patrick had Kelsey's blood on him at that point.

Bet he just got excited talking about it.
 
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  • #257
He may need to be hospitalized ! I’ve often wondered how accused murderers who appear weak (he does to me) handle this level of stress? JMO
He is probably handling it just fine other than being angry that he will have to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I'm sure he thinks that's KK's fault.

He doesn't empathize with other people which is why he can sit and listen to CB talk about her daughter and KK talk about Kelsey's last words with no emotion whatsoever.
Even seeing the picture of his daughter and listening to Kelseys dad sobbing didn't phase him.

He doesn't understand why the case got so much media attention because he can't relate to other people's feelings.
He probably can't comprehend why total strangers would be able to feel sadness over the death of someone they have never met.

He carried his daughter through a bloody crime scene after she stayed in another room listening to the sounds of her mother being murdered.

He casually told his friend he figured out a way to murder Kelsey and said, "No body, no crime."

He is a typical psychopath.

His expression probably won't even change when the jury finds him guilty and he is sentenced.

Imo
 
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  • #258
It was also surprising to me how the f's had wanted the baby, but they made little/no attempts at making their home safe for one.
Isn't that awful? Chemicals, sharp edges, a hot-burning stove in the center of the house, and few toys. :(:(:(
 
  • #259
A decent friend?! Integrity?!

Patrick talked about this to him in April, 2018 and the decent friend didn't tell anyone?

He knew Patrick's brother was a cop. could he have mentioned this to him?

At the very least, tell Kelsey so she could not only have a head's up about Patrick wanting to kill her.

Maybe this guy thought that he had talked him out of it. Perhaps PF didn't mention it again. He probably should have called LE, (and no, not the brother) and tell them Patrick is either mentally ill or a potential future murdered.

It just baffles me, though, how many people knew- some that didn't even know Kelsey, knew Patrick wanted to do this. How many does this make now? Krystal, Mr. Moore, Krystal's best friend, her best friend's bosses, both who are lawyers.....any more that I left out? Ugh.
 
  • #260
A "Top 10 Blooper" reel for PF is an impossible ask, you do realize that.

It's like trying to come up with a "Top 10 Brushstrokes" list for Michelangelo.

PF has managed to turn imbecility into an art form.

He's like the world's most prolific ignoramus in the history of the world.

JMO.

BBM

Aw, you're just trying to wow us and win!
 
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