CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #62

[Seattle1]

i thought the same. i also had the thought after the DA said that the issue of testing the item was not as important anymore that maybe they recovered fragments of bone. maybe not. but i do think that for the DA to say it was not as important possibly meant they had something else. MOO.

I also remember DA May making that statement at a presser.
I recall the defense impeded the consumptive test for some time --even arguing about who could witness the test. At the time, I wondered if the prosecution was told that the tooth fragment was too small to test for DNA, and they were satisfied with the x-ray confirmation that it was a human tooth, and therefore the "testing not as important anymore."

MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

^^sbm

I see no chance of SF ever losing her ranch to CB. The civil suit is against PF and he is not the owner of the franch. As far as we've been able to determine, PF leased grazing land and the only asset he ever owned were a few head of cattle that were sold at auction as soon as he went to the pokey.

Agree that he did not have monies before, but to my knowledge, it has never been published by the media yet what should be public record of his father's will and estate if someone were to look.

At least in my state, wills that are probated are publicly available, unless the will points to distribution to a trust, and then that is not public. Which makes me wonder, was he intestate, there is no will and that is why the fight among the children. MOO

ETA
If he died intestate, has the court determined who is the executor? Wondering minds want to know such. But media prolly won't look even though we want to know! As supposedly PF had the checkbook/or Ma did, at the house.

 

[zea mays]

about grieving differently... it's not unusual in my horse world that many females keep a shock
of the horse's tail hair as a remembrance of their
departed buddy. Some even have bracelets made as braided horse hair jewelry. To each his own, I guess.

In Victorian times people made hair wreaths for humans, too! Growing up, we had one on the wall from my many times great grandparents.

I am still wondering about the blood on the mop at PFs. Certainly he did not take the mop to the crime scene. Maybe he took a mop to the place he changed his boots on the deck or cab of his pickup, or used the mop to clean his boots. Or maybe the blood was not Kelsey's. And wasn't there blood on his bleach bottle? I am sure I heard the two of them owned a horse together. (IMO).

That's a good point - I, too, wonder what he used the mop for. I hope we find out!

 

[PommyMommy]

I wonder if during one of those hearings that an attachment of legal proceedings will be performed against his father's estate for his portion to freeze any distributions etc. Oh, a lien or injunction is the word I'm looking to?

ETA - Could we assume those are open to the general public, and depending on what is said more so in the trial, egads, the media might attend (or a guy with a device or someone else?)

December 5th should be after his trial and sentencing as iirc sentencing is done quickly after verdict in Colorado. Does anyone recall timeframes in that state for such?

I don't know but I see that gitana1 has been tagged. @riolove77 might also be able to answer and I think @oviedo might be familiar with this as well. MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I am still wondering about the blood on the mop at PFs. Certainly he did not take the mop to the crime scene. Maybe he took a mop to the place he changed his boots on the deck or cab of his pickup, or used the mop to clean his boots. Or maybe the blood was not Kelsey's. And wasn't there blood on his bleach bottle? I am sure I heard the two of them owned a horse together. (IMO).

Maybe another woman in his life cleaned up after him. Hence pleading the fifth.
MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I also remember DA May making that statement at a presser.
I recall the defense impeded the consumptive test for some time --even arguing about who could witness the test. At the time, I wondered if the prosecution was told that the tooth fragment was too small to test for DNA, and they were satisfied with the x-ray confirmation that it was a human tooth, and therefore the "testing not as important anymore."

MOO

Or dental records matched the X rayed tooth.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Too many paragraphs to copy....but didn't KK say "breeding horses" was the code word for the whole mess

 

[PommyMommy]

Too many paragraphs to copy....but didn't KK say "breeding horses" was the code word for the whole mess

Krystal Lee recounts Kelsey Berreth's alleged last words and her complicated relationship with the murder suspect
Finally, she said she loaded the trash bags into her car, and texted Frazee, telling him she was ready to see the horse — a phrase that would become their code for discussing the case.

 

[NuttMegg]

How is the name Frazee pronounced? Like LA zy, HA zy, DAI sy, or is the emphasis not on the first syllable?

 

[yawningreyhound]

Krystal Lee recounts Kelsey Berreth's alleged last words and her complicated relationship with the murder suspect
Finally, she said she loaded the trash bags into her car, and texted Frazee, telling him she was ready to see the horse — a phrase that would become their code for discussing the case.

TYVM! So that falls in line with the convo PF had with the Idaho number that Joe Moore overheard when PF borrowed his cell.

 

[yawningreyhound]

I kinda like the inheritance angle. Robert Frazee leaving money to Kaylee would provide understandable motive. PFs been talking about offing KB with no apparent VALID motive. KB wasnt alcoholic wasnt addicted wasnt abusive wasnt suicidal. But PF certainly worked hard to discredit KB

I don't know but I see that gitana1 has been tagged. @riolove77 might also be able to answer and I think @oviedo might be familiar with this as well. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Agree that he did not have monies before, but to my knowledge, it has never been published by the media yet what should be public record of his father's will and estate if someone were to look.

At least in my state, wills that are probated are publicly available, unless the will points to distribution to a trust, and then that is not public. Which makes me wonder, was he intestate, there is no will and that is why the fight among the children. MOO

ETA
If he died intestate, has the court determined who is the executor? Wondering minds want to know such. But media prolly won't look even though we want to know! As supposedly PF had the checkbook/or Ma did, at the house.

SF2 testified that as of last week, the estate of RF has not been settled. (There are no distributions to heirs until an estate is settled).

There was a hearing in Probate County Court in January 2019 that named RF and EF on the docket. At the time of the hearing, we did not have MSM confirmation EF deceased and therefore could not confirm the type of hearing scheduled -- especially since Guardianship hearings are also heard in Probate County Court.

(Without confirmation of RF death, we believed it possible that EF was petitioning for guardianship of RF. Since he was already deceased (confirmed dod 8/2018) at the hearing date, we know that wasn't the case).

Since EF was on the docket, it's most likely she's the personal representative or co-representative for the estate.

MOO

ETA: Haven't checked Colorado statute but some states can garnish distribution proceeds to reimburse the State for costs of their public defender.

 

[Artis]

I'm guessing LE have it?

With his remark about Kelsey and the bloody nose, I kind of wondered if that was the real murder weapon and not a bat.

 

[Artis]

The fire wasn't on Thanksgiving night.
Thanksgiving was on the 22nd.
Fire at the franch was on the 24th.

Thank you. Don't know what I was thinking.

Anyway, so he went to his house on Thanksgiving night? You know PF had to tell him something - like either what he did or a limited hang out version thereof.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Krystal Lee recounts Kelsey Berreth's alleged last words and her complicated relationship with the murder suspect
Finally, she said she loaded the trash bags into her car, and texted Frazee, telling him she was ready to see the horse — a phrase that would become their code for discussing the case.

Wow. SMH. Guess she wasn't too bothered by all the blood after all.
MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Too many paragraphs to copy....but didn't KK say "breeding horses" was the code word for the whole mess

I believe that was the code for their personal discussions of their crime prior to PF's arrest.

KK also alleged that she paid $9,000 for a horse she co-owned with PF and that he had not reimbursed her for his share. She stated that he showed her where to locate his ag business papers (horses included).

Also, I don't believe PF's use of the word "horses" in his jailhouse calls has anything to do with the personal code between himself and KK.

MOO

 

[Artis]

This is all so unbelievable. How did he think he would get away with it? He couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Hubris.

 

[Seattle1]

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I can confirm that RF, father of SF2 and PF, also pronounced his name as SF2 did in court. (RF 2017 interview on KRDO13 news).

ETA: Fraw-Zay

 

[Wishbone]

Wow. SMH. Guess she wasn't too bothered by all the blood after all.
MOO

Of course not, she's a counterpart to PF.

 

[Gigi3]

This was my thought too. I didn't get the sense from anything that was reported in KK's testimony that PF ever showed any love, affection, or desire toward her. In fact, she said the opposite - that PF didn't talk about his feelings for her. Yea, because he doesn't love you or care about you honey.

That's one reason this case is even more mind-boggling to me than some of the others. Usually the guy who committed the murder has some sort of misguided love interest with some mistress who emerges. Like I think idiot Chris Watts actually thought he was in love, sort of. Scott Peterson was still trying to woo Amber. I feel like the only interest PF had in this chic KK was to get her to drive down with a baseball bat and kill the mother of his child so he didn't have to do the dirty work himself. And then when he had to, he called her and left a dick message that she had a mess to clean up. (If my husband left me a message about my own dishes left in the sink and that "I had a mess to clean up" - I'd be out the door....let alone clean up his baby mama's murder scene.)

I just don't get the sense, imo, that there was any sweet talk of oh once KB is out of the way, we can be together, I love you so much, fake charm or seduction coming from him. Not much of a charmer or smooth talker this one. He was pretty much just an who ordered her to do his bidding and wasn't even nice or appreciative of her searching for teeth for him and cleaning up blood. And yet she did all this? For this jerk who couldn't even say please kill my baby's mother or ask nicely for her to come mop up splattered blood? It's so messed up on every level.

The other thing I'm not sure about or maybe have missed - what did KK think was the current state of PF's relationship with KB? Because it sure seems like KB thought she and PF were more or less together. They were going to do something together on Thanksgiving. He was going to her work party. They were going to look for a Christmas tree. KB's family was still using the word "fiance" early on.

What did PF tell KK his status with KB was? The whole "I got her to play a scented candle guessing game" implies trust and intimacy and an amicable if not romantic relationship. If KK knew that was the game, then wouldn't she know that PF was still at least pretending to KB that they were together?

I guess my questions are was PF lying to other people that oh they had broken up, these were custody hand offs not simply work/care taking switches, etc. But KB still thought he was her boyfriend/fiance? And did KK know that KB at least still thought PF was her boyfriend/fiance or not? (And PF was just going along with faking that until he could take her out?)

But yea, other than thank goodness he didn't harm his daughter, PF is truly one of the worst of these cases. Geez, he didn't even have some misguided love interest motive. Just so senseless. And for what, to save $700 a month? I have a hard time believing he truly wanted full custody of this child because he was so enthralled with being a father. Just everything that's already been stated in these threads - control, narc, sociopath, take your pick of terrible person personality disorders.

I absolutely agree with everything you said! I mean usually there is some sort of “love” motive for these scenarios. I think that was KK’s motive, but PF did not at all suggest that they would live happily ever after if KB was out of the picture. Or at least I didn’t get that impression.

PF seems to be a complete *** to women all together IMO. The way he treated both of them is completely disgusting to me! But he appeared to have some type of hold on them both which is quite common in abusive relationships. I really expected to hear from KK how he must have promised her the moon and stars if she followed through with killing KB, but I heard nothing of the sort.

PF is an absolute disgusting monster and MUST be found guilty! MOO