CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #63

[iQuill]

So ... having had some time to process the trial details so far ... I just have to say ... I don’t get it. Kelsey was so many wonderful things ... beautiful, kind, smart, loving ... and willing to love and nurture her baby and PF. How on earth could PF hate her so much ... for so long ... that he could kill her ... in such a brutal and rage filled way. I JUST DON’T GET IT!

 

[susiQ]

One or both of the ranch hands witnessed her out on the deck watching.

If asked about, I imagine she'll say PF burned trash all of the time and her only concern was the fire getting too big. Nobody can prove otherwise.

Really? Did I miss something?? I don't recall the ranch hands being there when the fire was ablazin'. I thought that was a comment PF made to them after the fact. Correct me if I'm mistaken and provide the link. TIA.

 

[Artis]

I have always thought, with all the long driving KK did, that she herself was taking speed or something. She was very willing to get to PF and knew what the plan was and then what the outcome was.
I wouldn't want her to work for me, around me or take care of my loved ones. She's dangerous!
She sure got herself a sweet deal.
But, it will certainly put PF away forever.

While I wish she'd fall into the nearest gorge, she'd make a great long haul trucker.

 

[kkdj]

While I wish she'd fall into the nearest gorge, she'd make a great long haul trucker.

That just might be her next profession!

 

[susiQ]

So ... having had some time to process the trial details so far ... I just have to say ... I don’t get it. Kelsey was so many wonderful things ... beautiful, kind, smart, loving ... and willing to love and nurture her baby and PF. How on earth could PF hate her so much ... for so long ... that he could kill her ... in such a brutal and rage filled way. I JUST DON’T GET IT!

That's because these monsters make NO sense to the rest of us, unless you're a clinical psychologist. And I suspect they don't really get it either, they just know how to diagnose it.

 

[kkdj]

That's because these monsters make NO sense to the rest of us, unless you're a clinical psychologist. And I suspect they don't really get it either, they just know how to diagnose it.

So many dynamics, but again, imo this had a lot to do with KK. Something about that relationship was intense. Enough so that murder went on the table. jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Really? Did I miss something?? I don't recall the ranch hands being there when the fire was ablazin'. I thought that was a comment PF made to them after the fact. Correct me if I'm mistaken and provide the link. TIA.

The ranch hands said it would be possible for SF to have seen the area where the fire was, if she was standing where KK said she was.

They were not present during the fire.

 

[MsBetsy]

But that's the thing, isn't it? Admitting to seeing the fire, or finding the pipe, or testifying to when the idiot child came home on TG, doesn't incriminate HER at all, so can't plead the 5th. There's got to be SOMETHING else that WILL incriminate her or she couldn't plead the 5th. Did she know "what" was in the fire? Did she know when KB died and how?

I don't know the answer but it won't be long and we'll have a pretty good idea what criminal involvement she had in all of this when she pleads the 5th.

Yeah, I'm thinking she will not plead the fifth, and just answer the questions.
She can always say she doesn't remember, I suppose.
Anyway, even if she knew or suspected that he did kill her, she can't be charged for that, can she? Unless maybe she was asked about it, and she lied?

Imo

 

[susiQ]

The ranch hands said it would be possible for SF to have seen the area where the fire was, if she was standing where KK said she was.

They were not present during the fire.

Thanks for the clarification, MG!

 

[kkdj]

Yeah, I'm thinking she will not plead the fifth, and just answer the questions.
She can always say she doesn't remember, I suppose.
Anyway, even if she knew or suspected that he did kill her, she can't be charged for that, can she? Unless maybe she was asked about it, and she lied?

Imo

BBM
I don't think so. I'm thinking more along the lines of obstruction of justice.

 

[Artis]

Really? Did I miss something?? I don't recall the ranch hands being there when the fire was ablazin'. I thought that was a comment PF made to them after the fact. Correct me if I'm mistaken and provide the link. TIA.

I'm sorry I don't have a link but believe it was tweeted by a reporter. It was testimony by one of the kids.

 

[MsBetsy]

Really? Did I miss something?? I don't recall the ranch hands being there when the fire was ablazin'. I thought that was a comment PF made to them after the fact. Correct me if I'm mistaken and provide the link. TIA.

I thought they said they saw him stirring the fire or something and that he asked them to cover the area with dirt.
Or maybe they just saw the burn area?

Imo

 

[Ccging]

So ... having had some time to process the trial details so far ... I just have to say ... I don’t get it. Kelsey was so many wonderful things ... beautiful, kind, smart, loving ... and willing to love and nurture her baby and PF. How on earth could PF hate her so much ... for so long ... that he could kill her ... in such a brutal and rage filled way. I JUST DON’T GET IT!

That’s the hardest thing to understand, understanding monsters like him is truly difficult. KB deserved a wonderful life, not this.

 

[MassGuy]

Here’s a pretty solid recap of the ranch hands’ testimony.

Former ranch hands testify in Frazee murder trial

 

[MsBetsy]

BBM
I don't think so. I'm thinking more along the lines of obstruction of justice.

Maybe, but then wouldn't that apply to the friend he told and KK's friend and the lawyer and anyone else that knew, too?

Imo

 

[susiQ]

Yeah, I'm thinking she will not plead the fifth, and just answer the questions.
She can always say she doesn't remember, I suppose.
Anyway, even if she knew or suspected that he did kill her, she can't be charged for that, can she? Unless maybe she was asked about it, and she lied?

Imo

Maybe it has something to do with helping a suspect attempt an escape? I have no doubt that she watched PF direct those ranch hands to clean up the burn site and she knew why.

 

[susiQ]

I'm sorry I don't have a link but believe it was tweeted by a reporter. It was testimony by one of the kids.

@MassGuy cleared this up. The ranch hands said SF would have been able to see the fire from the porch. They themselves were NOT there during the evening of the bonfire.

 

[Warwick7]

So ... having had some time to process the trial details so far ... I just have to say ... I don’t get it. Kelsey was so many wonderful things ... beautiful, kind, smart, loving ... and willing to love and nurture her baby and PF. How on earth could PF hate her so much ... for so long ... that he could kill her ... in such a brutal and rage filled way. I JUST DON’T GET IT!

1. He couldn't control her.
2. She had a loving strong family bond with parents and brother. I feel he resented them in her life. He wanted her isolated.
3. She was a career woman, strong in her own rights. I feel he hated her for it.
4. He HATED paying child support for property he felt was his.

 

[osu]

1. He couldn't control her.
2. She had a loving strong family bond with parents and brother. I feel he resented them in her life. He wanted her isolated.
3. She was a career woman, strong in her own rights. I feel he hated her for it.
4. He HATED paying child support for property he felt was his.

ITA. Kelsey was everything he wasn’t and he hated her for it.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

@MassGuy cleared this up. The ranch hands said SF would have been able to see the fire from the porch. They themselves were NOT there during the evening of the bonfire.

I don't think that is correct.

One Ranch hand did see PF at the fire.

Former ranch hands testify in Frazee murder trial

"Ritchie said after Thanksgiving he saw the pallets burned and saw Frazee near the fire. He said Frazee burned a few shed deer antlers, and the fire got about 13 feet high."
EDIT: my answer is wrong. Warwick7