CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #63

[oviedo]

Well stated.
That should be the last word on the detestable deal KK got.

I think I will just quote @gitana1 in response...

 

[gitana1]

This is how I look at it myself.

I might not like the deal one bit, but it had to be done, to get the information and help LE find the evidence to lock Patrick up for life. One of those things in life, that you have to take the good with the bad.

Both are evil and sadistic, in my opinion. Both are narcs. Nothing will ever change that in my heart. At least he'll be off the streets where he can't harm another.

What happens to Krystal after, in terms of how life goes for her, I simply don't give a damn. Hopefully her part in this haunts her for the rest of her life. We know nothing haunts Patrick.

I care!! I believe life as she knew it is over. I hope she loses her nursing license, her kids, and I know she lost her reputation.

She will hopefully serve a different kind of life sentence.

And although I admire Canada, in this I’m glad we are nothing alike. With a tampering charge and her admissions alone I don’t believe she will be volunteering or working with any children anywhere in this country.

For me there is no forgiving this. She wasn’t 16 with that mental fog and separation from adults that teens seem to have. I mean I could better understand that. Teens can be more easily manipulated and still don’t fully understand the real world.

But KK? She was a mother. Had been married. A registered nurse. There’s no evidence of any intellectual disability. And she chose to do the things she did to another mama. To a little baby’s mother.

No calls to CPS instead. No refusal to participate. No calls to LE. Heck even afterward she didn’t call and say she was scared and agree to wear a wire or whatever.

I think she was an aging rodeo queen whose glory days on the circuit had long passed, with a failed marriage, a few kids, a lot of winter and hard work to look forward to and in her mind not much else left.

So her fantasy of having the cowboy of her dreams I think is what motivated her. No different than many women we’ve heard of who will act as accomplices in murders, or even sexual assaults of kids, and/or who even serve up their own children on a platter for mama’s new man to torture to death.

For these types having a certain man is all they care about.

Gross.

So yeah I really care. She’s not fit to live in civilized society. I do want her to lose what she had and apparently didn’t care about. Then maybe she will start to see the value her life had before she let PF take the reins.

 

[steeltowngirl]

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As KK was driving 600 miles overnight to mop up a bloody crime scene, I suspect the safety being on the gun under the seat was the least of her worries.

 

[Dave F.]

Don't recall MG telling the FBI that it didn't look like the gun had not been fired. Would have made her follow-up contact with authorities questionable. (Always thought MG wanted to re-assert herself in the investigation. So many in ID looking for their 5 minutes...). MOO

I think you have nailed the problem this time! She only got 5 minutes, which means she's still owed 10 IMO

 

[Simply Southern]

Yes. how convenient she cannot recall anything about what she told LE about the bullet missing.

Im afraid some witnesses are starting to catch the "spontaneous memory reduction sickness" that is going around those parts.

Yup, a side effect of that magic cool aid they all drinking.

Moo..

 

[MsBetsy]

Interesting that they are going to call the mother of one of PF's ex-girlfriends. Looks like the prosecution has quite a few cards up its sleeve. MOO

Yes, yet another person who can tell the story of how PF bragged that he could hide a body so that it would never be found.
She can also testify that PF was controlling and abusive towards her daughter.

Imo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Don't recall MG telling the FBI that it didn't look like the gun had not been fired. Would have made her follow-up contact with authorities questionable. (Always thought MG wanted to re-assert herself in the investigation. So many in ID looking for their 5 minutes...). MOO

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...lication and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf

This is screenshot of what was noted about Meghans gun. She thought odd as was in a different condition than she usually keeps it. She stated at the time that she usually had 8 rounds, but was returned with 6 in cartridge and one in chamber.

 

[gitana1]

Its actually very common in states that allow conceal carry or have conceal carry permits. People that elect to conceal carry when driving usually want the gun as close to them as possible and under the seat is a common spot. I do agree it can be a little dangerous especially if adjusting the seat where it could somehow manage to get tangled with the gun and could be dangerous.

The question I have about KK's borrowing of the car is did the loaner person not realize her gun was still in the car until it was too late and KK already took off with the car? Or did she purposely let KK have that gun with her because maybe KK asked her to borrow it too and maybe KK wanted the gun with her?

Im not sure if those questions have been answered or not.
If it was a mistake I could understand it better but if the loaner person let her borrow the gun too along with the car then that seems foolish because you wouldnt want anyone else using your weapon and not knowing what they are going to do with it.

I got the sense it was just there. She didn’t think about it until later.

Man, I feel like people in the country feel it’s a super dangerous place. I thought most of those areas were supposed to be low crime?

 

[Lhughessk]

Mama F sounds like a piece of work.

She seems like Granny Clampett to me. Full of p—s and vinegar with few friends. Reminds me of my ex MIL. She was fine as long as she stayed on the ranch doing chores. I made the mistake of driving her to a doctor’s appointment one time. She flipped out and accused the doctors of trying to rape her. I was so embarrassed.

 

[yawningreyhound]

He who shall not be named witnessed an exchange between ex gf mom and sf in the courthouse last week. So this should be interesting.

 

[gitana1]

Early recess today for more witnesses to travel from out of state.

Prosecutor reports the trial is ahead of schedule.

How many days has it been so far?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I didn't think his testimony was oppositional or defiant. I thought he told the truth and in fact, was disgusted in his brother.

Imo

Exactly

 

[Hair of the Dog]

I've had the same thought.

Could he have taken the gun so she had no way to defend herself?

What would/could KB have done had she had her gun the day he killed her?

Moo

Yes, to leave her completely defenseless or

To prevent her from using it against KK or some other "hitman"

MOO

 

[gitana1]

Agree. Then she feigns all this concern about the Berreths needing to know what happened, yet she didn't call them or LE. Just came and cleaned up, to so call protect herself and her kids. Protect herself from what, exactly? If she had just called LE straight out, she would have been protected as PF would have been in jail, and she would have saved herself the trip and clean up.

It may not be significant at all, but I find it strange that she switched cars to come and do the clean up. She was so scared, she drove a car with a gun in it, fully loaded, and expired tags. I wonder if she thought Patrick would expect her to move Kelsey's body once she got there and take it back to Idaho, and she told him it wouldn't fit in her friend's car. Handy timing for that car switch, if you ask me.

So the car she drove had expired tags? Hmm. Maybe indeed she thought she could point that out as an excuse not to move the body. “I could get pulled over.”

Why would her friend let her borrow a car with expired tags? Wasn’t she afraid it would get impounded?

 

[ajaylee]

BBM. I know you’re an attorney. Just curious why you think there wouldn’t have been any prosecution at all without KK? I certainly believe it would have been harder. But no body murder convictions occur at a rate of 86% (per www.nobodymurdercases.com) . I would say the chances are good that he would have been prosecuted. Even without KK, JM would have come forward and testified that PF said he had a plan to kill her. The ranch hands would have testified about the fire. The video and cell phone evidence was still good. PF’s inconsistent statements. Would MS have been able to testify about what KK told her, or would that be hearsay? At any rate, a mountain of circumstantial evidence.

I respectfully disagree.

Would JM have finally come forward? Personally, I doubt it. When he did 'come forward', it was after PF had been arrested - and even then, he called PF's attorney, not LE. I suspect the only reason he did call LE was because PF's attorney told him to. PF's attorney could not have kept JM's information from LE.

LE would not have gone looking for evidence of a fire if KK hadn't told them about the fire and even shown them where the fire had been. There was no reason LE would have been interrogating the ranch hands, let alone asking them about a fire that the ranch hands would have had no reason to consider suspicious.

LE would have had no reason to investigate the barn with the stained hay bale without KK's testimony.

 

[GordianKnot]

How many days has it been so far?

We're in Day 7 of the trial itself.

Opening arguments were on Friday, November 1st.

 

[gitana1]

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In other news, are they done for the day altogether? Didn’t they have any other witnesses they could put on? They’ve been in trial for how long?

 

[ajaylee]

So the car she drove had expired tags? Hmm. Maybe indeed she thought she could point that out as an excuse not to move the body. “I could get pulled over.”

Why would her friend let her borrow a car with expired tags? Wasn’t she afraid it would get impounded?

IIRC, someone posted that in Idaho there's some kind of 'grace period' for expired tags. Where I live, there is a kind of grace period - if your tags expire on the 13th of the month, you are OK unless an officer pulls you over and notices that although your license tab only shows month and year, technically your tags are 'expired' on the 13th, not the end of the month. I don't know if that's the kind of 'grace period' the poster was referring to, however.

 

[gitana1]

We're in Day 7 of the trial itself.

So it’s supposed to be three weeks. Defense will have their witnesses (that might be super short) and then any rebuttal witnesses. Seems like they should have continued on with whatever witness they had available, skipping over whoever isn’t there.

 

[kkdj]

Will KK's ex husband testify?