CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #64

[dixiegirl1035]

May have also been seasonal. It was a long commute for KB in good weather let alone the dark and icy roads of winter. I also believe student count may decrease during winter months so likely an agreeable arrangement for her employer. MOO

Excellent observation for the rest of us that don't have seasons as such

MOO

I wonder if that was mentioned in court, or Sam can give insight tonight with his Q&A

 

[Lhughessk]

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
We're on lunch break now, testimony resumes at 12:30. Judge has noted that trial is well-ahead of schedule. He advised jurors that we could hear closing arguments as early as Friday in this case (originally expected this trial to last through 11/22/19)

10:40 AM - 13 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
Previous witnesses have testified that Patrick claimed Kelsey was an unfit mother, who abused her daughter and gave up custody. Kelseys co-workers said the complete opposite: Testified Kelsey was a devoted mother, and when they met baby in person, she seemed happy and healthy

10:40 AM - 13 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
Some of Kelsey’s co-workers also testified that they knew she took some time off in August 2018 to attend a program out of state. They understood this to be rehabilitation for chronic-fatigue or stress management, not substance abuse.

10:40 AM - 13 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
We heard from those 2 HR employees & several co-workers of Kelsey’s (all flight instructors too) who all testified they saw no evidence that Kelsey struggled with any kind of substance abuse. One coworker said Kelsey didn’t drink at all, at one point when he knew her.

10:40 AM - 13 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
HR employee also mentioned life insurance policy Kelsey had with Doss, w/ Patrick as her beneficiary. However, Doss was transitioning to new benefits company around the time Kelsey disappeared, & HR said Kelsey never completed new enrollment, so, there was no new policy ^^ bbm

10:40 AM - 13 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
Other witnesses have testified that Patrick told them Kelsey had issues with alcohol and drugs. These HR employees who worked w/ Kelsey at Doss testified that they had no evidence of that. Part of her hiring at Doss required a drug test, they said.

10:40 AM - 13 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
Next we hear from 2 human resource employees, both used to work at Doss Aviation (where Kelsey worked). They testify that Kelsey moved from full-time to part-time shortly before she went missing. Both said there were conversations about impact that would have on health benefits.

10:40 AM - 13 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
First witness handles records for Teller County waste. She says no record of trash put out at Kelsey’s Woodland Park condo from the week of Thanksgiving 2018 (week she was allegedly killed) until late December 2018 (12/21/18).

10:40 AM - 13 Nov 201

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
Testimony continues today in the #KelseyBerreth murder trial. We are well into the long list of witnesses called by the prosecution. Today is day 8 for witness testimony, judge comments that we've heard from 60+ already #9news

10:40 AM - 13 Nov 2019

“Some of Kelsey’s co-workers also testified that they knew she took some time off in August 2018 to attend a program out of state. They understood this to be rehabilitation for chronic-fatigue or stress management, not substance abuse.”

I wonder if it’s possible that PF initiated the idea of KB going to treatment? It would have played perfectly into his cover story that she was troubled and would disappear. I would think that she would have had to be pushed into something like that. Most young mothers would have a hard time being away from their baby for an extended period of time.

 

[Steelslady]

I think they’re people used to getting away with stuff. They can’t imagine getting caught.

I also think that Patrick thought that MaF and brother would fix this for him- blood thicker than water BS in his head. I'll just bet he was shocked that MaF couldn't convince the brother to lie for PF (this is my speculation and opinion only) on the stand. Only MaF is in the lobby every day. His sister I think was there for at least one day, maybe two in the court room, and we haven't heard she's been there since. No one else in the Frazee family is there, right? No aunts, uncles, cousins? No one?

 

[1mtroyal]

Money, sex and power are the 3 main motives for murder. Easier to understand than we originally thought.

I don't understand why someone would murder someone for power, and would like to see an example. But in researching this, I find the quote: "all homicides spring from financial greed, lust, or pursuit of power". To me, homicides of financial greed and lust also involve power, but I still wonder if "power" is the single motive of a homicide. Drunk drivers probably kill 10,000 per year and doesn't make the list.

 

[TrialLurking]

Hot tamale! Just catching up now.

No wonder PF didn’t have a real job. Too busy juggling successful women (and then Resenting them later).

I’m tooting my own horn on insurance $. Saw that from a mile away. PF too lazy to work to buy his own ranch. Probably couldn’t afford
It anymore due to rising property values in Colorado.

Wonder if PF knew about the policy changes. Apparently, the company was transitioning to a new life insurance policy. She never had the chance to complete the paperwork; so, no policy exists. PF is not the brightest bulb.

 

[makayla]

But considering PF was not too worldly or informed of many things, maybe he didn't know the rules of insurance payouts and declaring someone dead.

From all we’ve heard, it appears PF lacks basic common sense. How could he not be aware of cameras in public places, a security camera at KB’s neighbor’s house, and all the digital tracking of internet searches, cell phones, phone calls and texts in today’s world? It’s unbelievable how unaware and stupid he was. It will be interesting to see what searches showed up on his computer ... did he search for information on murders, no body/no crime, and payouts on missing or deceased people? I don’t recall any other recent defendant who was so uninformed, and we’ve certainly seen a few who are less than bright. JMHO ...

 

[ajaylee]

I'm guessing the defense is staking everything on the closing argument. In the opening argument, defense argued that the facts didn't add up to the prosecution's interpretation. There doesn't appear to have been any serious attempt to cast doubt on the facts or the experts' testimony. I wonder what the defense's alternate interpretation of the facts is going to be.

I admit I'm biased, but I just don't see a whole lot of wiggle room here.

Odds on PF deciding to testify? Will he, in his arrogance, believe that he can dupe the jury the way he duped so many folks in and around Florissant?

Odds on an appeal being filed if the jury does (please, please) find him guilty?

 

[Seattle1]

I've waited for this to be confirmed, as i read it elsewhere.

God help me, but could Kelsey have been pregnant again? We may never know that answer, unless she told someone in confidence or a doctor comes forward to confirm. She might not have told Patrick yet, afraid of his reaction?

The reason that I say this is because she needed those health benefits for her and Baby K. Many of us parents know, the first two to three years of a child's life, the pediatrician's office is like your second home, especially if you have several children, lol. Vaccinations, check ups, ear infections.

What other reason would Kelsey possibly go to part time, with a monthly condo payment, food, gas for car, bills? It doesn't make sense to me.

It makes the most sense for cutting her hours until you think about no health care when she needs it most, and ongoing lack of financial support from PF.

On the other hand, if PF told her he was coming into money soon (inheritance) and he would take care of his family then that may have helped her come to this decision.

As for not telling anybody, Christmas was only a month away and she may have wanted to save this announcement until she was face to face with her family. (Also, KB previously suffered a miscarriage and may have wanted to wait longer to share her news). MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Not that we need any more bombshells but I have to wonder who will be the last witness and what they will testify to.

I believe a common tactic for attorneys is to begin and end on a high note so am wondering who the last witness will be and what they will say.

Q. Do you love your son
A. Yes

Q. Would you lie on the stand for your son
A. I plead the 5th

Dismissed.................

Prosecution rests

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

Didn’t they predict the trial would last three weeks and possibly go into the holiday?

Opening statements were November 1, correct?

Wow they are BEYOND ahead of schedule! Hopefully a guilty verdict is just around the corner. It would be nice to have some closure for the Berreth family before a Thanksgiving/one year anniversary.

 

[Hair of the Dog]

I'm not yet giving into such. With his planned alibi, that he was at the franch and so was KB ... I'm not giving into that she was totally in the dark prior to preliminary etc.

I completely agree. I think she is a bitter woman who enabled her son and will believe he is the victim in all of this until the day she dies. I think they call it blind faith, or at least that is one of the kinder euphemisms.

 

[Seattle1]

So benefit reenrollment enabled PF to be a life insurance beneficiary, and the SAME MONTH KB goes missing?!?!

We have one reporter telling us that KB did NOT complete HR benefits i.e., health/life insurance enrollment under new company ownership.

Perhaps there was no life insurance?

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
HR employee also mentioned life insurance policy Kelsey had with Doss, w/ Patrick as her beneficiary. However, Doss was transitioning to new benefits company around the time Kelsey disappeared, & HR said Kelsey never completed new enrollment, so, there was no new policy ^^ bbm

 

[MsBetsy]

I believe it's 3 yrs for suicide.

Oh. I thought they didn't even pay in that case.

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

We have one reporter telling us that KB did NOT complete HR benefits i.e., health/life insurance enrollment under new company ownership.

Perhaps there was no life insurance?

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
HR employee also mentioned life insurance policy Kelsey had with Doss, w/ Patrick as her beneficiary. However, Doss was transitioning to new benefits company around the time Kelsey disappeared, & HR said Kelsey never completed new enrollment, so, there was no new policy ^^ bbm

Thank you for clarifying.

Please correct me if I’m misunderstanding, but it still seems like PF was already a current beneficiary... so perhaps KB was NOT planning on putting PF on the new one... so he had to get rid of her while he was still under a policy where he stood to gain?

Plus he had to do it before having to pay more child support, health insurance, etc if KB truly did plan on going part time.

Jeez this guy is a piece of work.

 

[Seattle1]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Judge Scott Sells also informed Frazee of his right to testify if he so chooses. He won’t have to decide on that until Friday. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

10:44 AM - 13 Nov 2019

SK reply: What was PF's reaction to this?

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Sam Kraemer Retweeted ***

Frazee responded “yes sir” and “I do” to the appropriate questions

11:06 AM - 13 Nov 2019

SK reply: Sam, what is the demeanor and body language of Kelsey’s mom as she watches this trial unfold?

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Sam Kraemer Retweeted ****

She isn’t here. She left after her final day of testimony

11:06 AM - 13 Nov 2019

 

[ajaylee]

Didn’t they predict the trial would last three weeks and possibly go into the holiday?

Opening statements were November 1, correct?

Wow they are BEYOND ahead of schedule! Hopefully a guilty verdict is just around the corner. It would be nice to have some closure for the Berreth family before a Thanksgiving/one year anniversary.

I wonder if the timeframe for the trial was based on the assumption that the defense would spend more time cross-examining the prosecution's witnesses. It's hard to tell from the media reporting, but I don't get the impression the defense has been spending much time cross-examining the witnesses.

I think the defense is largely pinning its hopes on proving the "facts don't add up" in the closing argument.

What order are closing arguments presented in? Does defense go last or does prosecution?

 

[Aydrianna523]

May have also been seasonal. It was a long commute for KB in good weather let alone the dark and icy roads of winter. I also believe student count may decrease during winter months so likely an agreeable arrangement for her employer. MOO

Yes, winter is treacherous.

 

[ajaylee]

From all we’ve heard, it appears PF lacks basic common sense. How could he not be aware of cameras in public places, a security camera at KB’s neighbor’s house, and all the digital tracking of internet searches, cell phones, phone calls and texts in today’s world? It’s unbelievable how unaware and stupid he was. It will be interesting to see what searches showed up on his computer ... did he search for information on murders, no body/no crime, and payouts on missing or deceased people? I don’t recall any other recent defendant who was so uninformed, and we’ve certainly seen a few who are less than bright. JMHO ...

I think PF got over-confident because no one in his limited circle ever called him out on his BS - other than perhaps SF2.

 

[Seattle1]

I completely agree. I think she is a bitter woman who enabled her son and will believe he is the victim in all of this until the day she dies. I think they call it blind faith, or at least that is one of the kinder euphemisms.

Absolutely. A la Cindy W. and Jackie P.

MOO

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

Oh. I thought they didn't even pay in that case.

That’s what I thought too!

A quick google search shows that it can vary depending on the policy. I’m surprised they would pay out at all, but apparently it’s more so to keep the policyholder from committing suicide as soon as they purchase the policy?

“The life insurance suicide clause is a provision that’s in place during the first two years of the policy. Normally, when the policyholder dies, the death benefit is paid to the beneficiaries as a tax-free, lump-sum amount (or, sometimes, a series of payments) and that’s the end of the transaction. However, if the death is a result of self-inflicted injury, the insurer can refuse to pay. The reason for this is to prevent an applicant from getting a policy and taking their own life immediately afterwards in order for their loved ones to receive the death benefit.”
https://www.policygenius.com/life-insurance/does-life-insurance-cover-suicide/