CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #64

[Aydrianna523]

I don't understand why someone would murder someone for power, and would like to see an example. But in researching this, I find the quote: "all homicides spring from financial greed, lust, or pursuit of power". To me, homicides of financial greed and lust also involve power, but I still wonder if "power" is the single motive of a homicide. Drunk drivers probably kill 10,000 per year and doesn't make the list.

The power thing throws me too. Women don't seem to want power as much as guys so I cant digest that one. I could be wrong.
But a lot of people here talk about his control (power) so it must fit somehow. Or its primarily sex and money in the case.
Or maybe the power was over her life. The entitlement he felt to end hers. Dunno

 

[Seattle1]

Vicente Arenas‏Verified account @vicentearenastv
Frazee Trial update: Why the murder trial of Patrick Frazee could end sooner than expected. Frazee is accused of killing his fiancé #KelseyBerreth Last Thanksgiving in Woodland Park. ⁦@KDVR⁩ ⁦@channel2kwgn⁩
video report

11:00 AM - 13 Nov 2019 from Teller County Courthouse

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

I wonder if the timeframe for the trial was based on the assumption that the defense would spend more time cross-examining the prosecution's witnesses. It's hard to tell from the media reporting, but I don't get the impression the defense has been spending much time cross-examining the witnesses.

I think the defense is largely pinning its hopes on proving the "facts don't add up" in the closing argument.

What order are closing arguments presented in? Does defense go last or does prosecution?

It’s been fascinating to see the prosecution at work!

My heart is excitedly jumping at the prospect of getting justice for Kelsey sooner than expected!

 

[KathrynL]

I wonder if the timeframe for the trial was based on the assumption that the defense would spend more time cross-examining the prosecution's witnesses. It's hard to tell from the media reporting, but I don't get the impression the defense has been spending much time cross-examining the witnesses.

I think the defense is largely pinning its hopes on proving the "facts don't add up" in the closing argument.

What order are closing arguments presented in? Does defense go last or does prosecution?

Usually the prosecution goes first, the defense next, and the prosecution rebuttal last. The prosecutors get "2 bites at the apple" because the burden of proof is on them.

 

[BUF]

I wonder if the timeframe for the trial was based on the assumption that the defense would spend more time cross-examining the prosecution's witnesses. It's hard to tell from the media reporting, but I don't get the impression the defense has been spending much time cross-examining the witnesses.

I think the defense is largely pinning its hopes on proving the "facts don't add up" in the closing argument.

What order are closing arguments presented in? Does defense go last or does prosecution?

Don't know about here, but usually prosecution first, then defense, then prosecution again (they split up their time allotted for beginning & end). Prosecution usually has the last word as they have the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

ETA: just saw KathrynL answered this above me

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if the timeframe for the trial was based on the assumption that the defense would spend more time cross-examining the prosecution's witnesses. It's hard to tell from the media reporting, but I don't get the impression the defense has been spending much time cross-examining the witnesses.

I think the defense is largely pinning its hopes on proving the "facts don't add up" in the closing argument.

What order are closing arguments presented in? Does defense go last or does prosecution?

Yeah, I think the judge and prosecution probably figured there would be more pushback from the defense than there has been.

The prosecution knew what all its witnesses would say, so it’s not like they would have overestimated the amount of time they would need by a great deal.

If closing arguments were to come Friday, this trial would have lasted about half as long as expected.

Not that I can fault the defense for not offering much on cross, as their client effectively tied their hands behind their backs.

 

[ajaylee]

That's good to hear. I don't want the jurors to go out with the defense's case being the last thing they hear.

 

[Steelslady]

Ashley Franco
@AshleyKKTV
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1mBREAKING: both sides in #PatrickFrazee case said in court they will be ready for closing statements on Friday. Judge says they are ahead of schedule and he his optimistic closings will happen on Friday.
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Some great defense there, ha ha! Their best line to date- "there was no blood on his clothing". Did someone pay them to not even bother to argue on his behalf- just sit there for several days while the prosecution's witnesses demolish him, one by one?

Of course, I don't believe that- just sarcasm folks.

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

The power thing throws me too. Women don't seem to want power as much as guys so I cant digest that one. I could be wrong.
But a lot of people here talk about his control (power) so it must fit somehow. Or its primarily sex and money in the case.
Or maybe the power was over her life. The entitlement he felt to end hers. Dunno

Or maybe to get rid of the power KB had over him.

As in, he was done with her and what she could do for him. But he was “stuck” because they have a baby and KB thinks they’re engaged. But PF wasn’t ready to settle down.

Sooner or later his lives would start clashing and he would either have to accept the role of loving, devoted fiancé and show that to all in his circle, or get rid of KB so he could continue his playboy lifestyle.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yeah, I think the judge and prosecution probably figured there would be more pushback from the defense than there has been.

The prosecution knew what all its witnesses would say, so it’s not like they would have overestimated the amount of time they would need by a great deal.

If closing arguments were to come Friday, this trial would have lasted about half as long as expected.

Not that I can fault the defense for not offering much on cross, as their client effectively tied their hands behind their backs.

I thought there would be more pushback from the defense, too.
I keep waiting for them to present their theory of KK committing the murder somewhere else besides the condo.

Maybe they are having second thoughts for fear of being laughed right out of the court room.

Imo

 

[Aydrianna523]

Or maybe to get rid of the power KB had over him.

As in, he was done with her and what she could do for him. But he was “stuck” because they have a baby and KB thinks they’re engaged. But PF wasn’t ready to settle down.

Sooner or later his lives would start clashing and he would either have to accept the role of loving, devoted fiancé and show that to all in his circle, or get rid of KB so he could continue his playboy lifestyle.

Definitely makes sense.

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

Some great defense there, ha ha! Their best line to date- "there was no blood on his clothing". Did someone pay them to not even bother to argue on his behalf- just sit there for several days while the prosecution's witnesses demolish him, one by one?

Of course, I don't believe that- just sarcasm folks.

Isn’t it common to immediately file an appeal, one of the reasons being ineffective counsel?

Not that the defense team was ineffective. But I totally see PF as being that guy filing for appeal after appeal just to spite KB’s family.

As our legal beagles will probably say, I’m sure there’s ways to stop him from that. I just think he will be that jerk to endlessly grasp for straws and never rest.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

You know, I've been wondering about this too. How could SO MANY people have known SO much and not one came forward to protect KB. I think it's speaks loudly of the morals of the area or at least the morals of those who PF surrounded himself with.

It Shouts their content of character.
At least now it's out there for all the world to see.

 

[mustloveco]

I’m very surprised PF isn’t wearing grey T-shirt and jeans to the trial. I didn’t think his wardrobe expanded to, *gasp* flannel.

 

[sun16]

Waiting on the prosecution to present them, not receive them from the lab.

Oops, ok

 

[mustloveco]

When do you think PF learned the word ‘approximately’. That’s an awful big word for our dimwit cowboy.

 

[Ccging]

I’m very surprised PF isn’t wearing grey T-shirt and jeans to the trial. I didn’t think his wardrobe expanded to, *gasp* flannel.

He’s just getting in his wardrobe changes while he can, after next week his wardrobe will be standard issue.

 

[MassGuy]

I’m very surprised PF isn’t wearing grey T-shirt and jeans to the trial. I didn’t think his wardrobe expanded to, *gasp* flannel.

Ha! There are actually photos of him wearing flannel on what seems to be a regular basis.

Grey t-shirt and jeans are just his murder clothes maybe.

 

[Hatch]

We have one reporter telling us that KB did NOT complete HR benefits i.e., health/life insurance enrollment under new company ownership.

Perhaps there was no life insurance?

Jennifer Meckles‏Verified account @jennifermeckles
HR employee also mentioned life insurance policy Kelsey had with Doss, w/ Patrick as her beneficiary. However, Doss was transitioning to new benefits company around the time Kelsey disappeared, & HR said Kelsey never completed new enrollment, so, there was no new policy ^^ bbm

There is usually a 30-45 day grace period before a policy lapses, so if the change over just happened Nov 1, most likely her old policy would still be in force. KB being murdered on the 22 would have the policy well with in the grace period. Adding I think the scholar Frazee thought if he said she had killed herself then everybody would just go along with the idea. IMO

 

[mustloveco]

Getting back into CO today. Lady truck driver here. Hoping to make it (to the trial) tomorrow and/or Friday.