GUILTY CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #69

[skyedaze]

I will always believe he had it in his head that Krystal would bring the body back to Idaho.

No doubt, he was burning evidence of his part in the murder.

I think he was very surprised when Krystal showed up with her friend's car instead of her truck. He still tried to convince her to take Kelsey's body with her, but she refused, lack of room in the vehicle, made some excuse about it being traced back to him somehow, if she did take her body to Idaho.

I'll always believe that if she did take Kelsey's body with her, he would have made a little phone call to LE, stating he thought his lover killed his girlfriend and she would have been busted on the spot, as she had Kelsey's phone and gun with her. Meanwhile, at the ranch, Patrick just burns a couple of items along with some ranch stuff......

Yes, totally agree. Get rid of KB and then have KK take the fall with KBs phone and gun....meanwhile, he's "clean."

 

[skyedaze]

I didn't realize until tonight when I saw the KK in the condo video again on Court tv...they asked KK calmly and she pointed out on the floor with that d@mn broom the spot where she saw the tooth. Just like "there" like no big deal...points to the spot with that stupid plastic broom.
ick

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I don't know. I see baby K on his left hip in 4:26. I assumed she is also on his hip in shots 4:20, 4:27, and 4:28 as well.

The attached photos are 4:20 (on the Left) compared to the 4:26 (on the Right). IMO it looks like Baby K' s little leg is there in both shots but she's leaning forward in 4:26. But your guess is as good as mine.

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I think you're right. He's got the baby, so highly unlikely that he could be trying to pull the tote?

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I don't know. I see baby K on his left hip in 4:26. I assumed she is also on his hip in shots 4:20, 4:27, and 4:28 as well.

The attached photos are 4:20 (on the Left) compared to the 4:26 (on the Right). IMO it looks like Baby K' s little leg is there in both shots but she's leaning forward in 4:26. But your guess is as good as mine.

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I think you're right. He's got the baby, so highly unlikely that he could be trying to pull the tote?

 

[steeltowngirl]

Random thoughts, some of which are sure to generate hot feelings.

KK has a lot to answer for - and I think she has paid and will continue to pay for what she did. I don't think she was evil to start and I still don't think she was evil. She was hopelessly in love and a perfect storm of events led her step by step down a dreadful path. I think that like JM, she thought (hoped) PF was all talk and no action, that he would 'get over' his nonsense about getting rid of KB.

In her defense...KB was smarter, prettier, didn't have the complicated background with PF that KK did - he was probably KK's first real love, she was always self-conscious about her weight, he pursued her off and on throughout the years, never actually offering her anything but tantalizing hints, she 'rebounded' with him when her marriage was failing, she got pregnant by him and he left her feeling abandoned. By the time she realized that there was no future for them, she was just hoping to get out of the mess without her ex-husband and family and kids finding out what had gone on - and how low she had sunk, driving hundreds of miles for a scrap of 'love' from a guy she couldn't get over.

KB had so much more going on for her than KK, but the two women had something in common - they both got suckered by the same vicious depraved man. It went against KB's beliefs and upbringing to get pregnant by a man she wasn't married or even engaged to - but she did get pregnant, not once but twice, so it was obviously not an accident. She told people at work she was married even though it doesn't even appear that they were ever formally engaged. I doubt she ever expected to be left far from friends and family, a woman unwed to the indifferent father of her child.

KK has lost everything. Prison might actually be easier for her, because then when she came out, she could claim that she had paid her debt to society for what she had done.

PF - there's a piece of work. I appreciate the post above suggesting he's a sociopath. I think that's what I was looking for when I posted earlier that it seemed odd that no one actually came out and said "This dude is not right in the head". That said, he seems to have been able to sucker the ladies.

I have to admit, I get a little satisfaction out of thinking what his last few weeks have been like. He's been sitting in jail for months, knowing he might lose his freedom for years or forever. He's suckered those around him into believing his lies about KB but that might or might not work with a jury. He's probably in a rage about KK - he knows he can't talk to her freely and say the things he likely wants to say. He needs to blame someone for his situation because I think it's clear he has never been held accountable for anything - it's always someone else's fault, those nasty evil women who might take him away from his Ma and the Franch.

So he's sitting there bored out of his mind and stewing and...tada! He strikes up a conversation with a low-level gangbanger-wannabe and in short order, he goes from asking this gangsta boy to arrange a hit on KK to having him take out an extended list of people, some of who have nothing to do with the trial, even adding on things like stealing from JM's 'cash cow' partner to talking about the jobs they'll do together in the future when he gets out. (Pure speculation here: PF was in financial difficulties because cattle prices had allegedly not been favorable. I don't know enough about cattle prices to know if they were really bad or if he was simply a lousy businessman. He ran cattle with his friend JM - perhaps his resentment of JM comes from JM's partner, the 'cash cow' whose money could have tided them over if the cattle market truly was tough.)

What a whiplash of emotions that must have been. From boredom and despondency to euphoria! His problems solved and his future financial independence assured! He shaves his head and he's not just a gangsta-wannabe, he's both customer and order-giver. Keep in mind, this all unfolded in September and October. His new pal gets bonded out in October.

Then time slows down as PF waits for news that his orders have been carried out. He's impatient, but he knows these guys have to set things up, logistics, etc.

More time passes. The trial approaches. PF gets a sinking feeling as there's no word from his ex-con pal and it's clear that his intended victims are alive and well. The trial starts and his worst nightmare - there's KK on the stand, spilling the beans.

And then...a few days before us, but not much - just when PF probably thinks things can't get any worse - PF finds out that his jailhouse buddy not only didn't carry out his orders, his jail house buddy turned on him and the letters are going to come out in court. He still had to sit there (and go back to his cell at night) for several days while the rest of us were out of the loop, knowing what was coming and being powerless to do anything to stop it.

I wonder at what point he finally realized that he probably wasn't walking free, that he will never see the franch again or ride a horse or kick a dog?

Great post ajaylee! Good question as to when PF finally realized he was never going to be a free man again.

He already knew KK would testify and he knew what she knew. Was it when his brother testified he arrived so late on Thanksgiving? Then rolled his eyes at PF as he left the courtroom... Or when his best friend / father figure revealed things PF had told him about the “perfect” no body-no crime scheme. (JM gets my vote for the most damning testimony).

By the time his gangsta jail buddy took the stand, I’m guessing PF already knew his next permanent address would be a prison cell. The paper towel fiasco was just the icing on the cake. IMO

 

[ajaylee]

Great post ajaylee! Good question as to when PF finally realized he was never going to be a free man again.

He already knew KK would testify and he knew what she knew. Was it when his brother testified he arrived so late on Thanksgiving? Then rolled his eyes at PF as he left the courtroom... Or when his best friend / father figure revealed things PF had told him about the “perfect” no body-no crime scheme. (JM gets my vote for the most damning testimony).

By the time his gangsta jail buddy took the stand, I’m guessing PF already knew his next permanent address would be a prison cell. The paper towel fiasco was just the icing on the cake. IMO

I'm sure that pre-trial, PF's attorney told him their best chance rested on making the jury hate KK so much they distrusted everything she said, even when the facts backed her up.

I think the testimony of JM and the women whose horses he shod (no male customers besides 'donkey man'?) surprised him, but he knew they were on the witness list pre-trial.

He didn't know his prison buddy had rolled over on him until the guy came forward halfway through the trial. Must have been quite a shocker to hear that the paper towel letters were going to be read out. Dan May couldn't have timed it any better for maximum effect.

I agree about JM's testimony - he was a 'local' boy, had known PF for years, he was a male so the defense couldn't hint that he was a scorned female, and he clearly was a reluctant witness. I wonder how he felt about keeping his silence when the prison letters were read out and he found not only his name, but the name of his 'cash cow' partner on the list as well. If he had any doubt about whether or not he should have come forward, seeing his name and his partner's on that list, along with directions to rob his home, should have put his mind at ease.

 

[MemPat]

Great post ajaylee! Good question as to when PF finally realized he was never going to be a free man again.

He already knew KK would testify and he knew what she knew. Was it when his brother testified he arrived so late on Thanksgiving? Then rolled his eyes at PF as he left the courtroom... Or when his best friend / father figure revealed things PF had told him about the “perfect” no body-no crime scheme. (JM gets my vote for the most damning testimony).

By the time his gangsta jail buddy took the stand, I’m guessing PF already knew his next permanent address would be a prison cell. The paper towel fiasco was just the icing on the cake. IMO

I can't imagine that Patrick's attorneys hadn't informed him of every shred of evidence against him as they surely begged him to plead guilty and save himself from the drastic sentence he received (not that DA May would have given an inch).

Now we know that the Criminal Cowboy Genius thought his gangsta jail pal was going to transform into a knight in shining armor and kill all the players who stood in the way of his freedom.

Because we know if that whole crew disappeared into the desert, Ma F would just take Patrick a clean t-shirt and he would walk out of the jail free as a bird!

The more I think about this an insanity defense makes sense!! (Except for that part about the planning, such as it was.)

 

[MajorHoople]

I believe PF's mother knew what had happened. My gut feeling all along is that she not only knew, but that she was a driving force in the entire thing. I still think it all comes down to money, the father's inheritance and the farm. SF hated KB, but with a baby involved they needed KB gone. IMO SF is just as guilty as PF and KK.

I think you are right about that and it wouldn't surprise me to see another arrest in a month or so.

 

[ajaylee]

Another thought as I'm days into my Frazee detox:

I'd be curious to know how KK paid her part of the combined purchases she and Patrick made....
Cash to him or to the seller?

Since Patrick often traded his farrier work instead of paying cash, he may have pocketed KK's money while trading his time for the horses or whatever.

Patrick seems to have skipped any ethics training so, why not?

'Frazee detox' - that sounds like what I'm going through!

The reporting was so constricted that even though it's over, he'll never be free again, I'm still left with lots of nagging little questions that probably would have been answered if the reporting wasn't so limited and PF never spoke.

PF's not speaking reminds me of a spoiled brat - it's the one thing completely under his control, and we all know how important control is to him. I wanted to see a PF moment comparable to the CW moment when he is shown his neighbor's video footage and he knows they've got him. It's perverse of me to want him to speak because we already know anything he's likely to say will be a lie anyway.

"Well, yeah. Exactly."

 

[iambarb2]

I don't know about KK being lonely. I recall she had several friends that kept their mouths shut including HS friend she gave KB's gun to; Michelle S.; Meghan G.; the ID Lawyer and his wife; aunt and friends she traveled with to Las Vegas. MOO

 

[iambarb2]

When she drove to Berreth's townhouse with the Starbucks coffee, she brought an aunt with her from Idaho

 

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[iambarb2]

I remember he sang this at Country Legend George Jones Memorial. It's wonderful.

 

[MsBetsy]

When she drove to Berreth's townhouse with the Starbucks coffee, she brought an aunt with her from Idaho

I thought the Aunt was the one she claimed to be visiting in Colorado?

Imo

 

[mustloveco]

Inside the Patrick Frazee Trial

Finally done reading this, I didn’t know KKS mom lived in CO. Lots of details in that long article

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Inside the Patrick Frazee Trial

Finally done reading this, I didn’t know KKS mom lived in CO. Lots of details in that long article

Thanks for the link. I can’t sleep & needed some reading material!

 

[303gmf]

I’ve followed this case from the beginning but this is my first post here. I’ve always just assumed he told her it was for Christmas decorations. I thought I remember hearing that Kelsey told her mom they were getting a tree soon.

Agree! I remember CB mentioned it very early on

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

^^sbm

I don't recall father figure citing Doss guy. RS comment to police was they should make inquiry with "Eric at Southwest Airlines."

RS is one of the father figures,as is JM,but RS is the one who pointed his filthy finger at "Eric at SWA". So easy to get them confused,and lumped together, like the birds of a feather they are.
MOO

 

[justaparent]

I believe they know if someone else might have been involved but I don’t think they have enough evidence to take anyone to trial. At least not right now.

Also, there were some comments that KB told her coworkers she was married. I don’t remember that she did that, is it accurate?

MOO

 

[Gardenista]

I believe they know if someone else might have been involved but I don’t think they have enough evidence to take anyone to trial. At least not right now.

Also, there were some comments that KB told her coworkers she was married. I don’t remember that she did that, is it accurate?

MOO

Yes, one of her coworkers testified that she told him/her she was married.