CO - Madyson Bogard, 4, beaten to death, Colorado Springs, 16 Jan 2008

[believe09]

I have had a lightbulb moment-work with me here...there should be a mandatory ER check-up in cases of suspected abuse, even if the child appears OK. You would be much better able to catch the type of neglect and sexual torture some of these kids experience...think Rowan Ford with her lice, this case....thoughts?

 

[imthemom]

Big six foot Mark acknowledged that he threw her so hard against a door, she hit the doorknob and the floor. He also threw her so hard against a metal bed headfirst, she bounced off of the headboard and then hit the floor. He conceded that he would flick her private parts, and Mom's way of defending her offspring was to then hit Madyson so hard on her head that Mom's hand would tingle. They let her simply seize over and over again without calling for help....sounds like the two of them were a match made in heaven...it sounds awfully like the Baby Grace case imo. There is nothing that is going to be considered just punishment for these two except that Mark is now tied to Madyson's mother forever and will never, ever be back together with his ex. His children are fortunate.

OMG, I hadn't read that article. Just the very first one. Well, I hope they both fry. I am glad they are stupid enough to talk to, it will make the prosecutions job a lot easier.

 

[colomom]

I have had a lightbulb moment-work with me here...there should be a mandatory ER check-up in cases of suspected abuse, even if the child appears OK. You would be much better able to catch the type of neglect and sexual torture some of these kids experience...think Rowan Ford with her lice, this case....thoughts?

I think it is a good idea but, ER visits are very expensive. Lawmakers will balk at the idea. If you required a mandatory visit to a doctor it would have to be immediate or the abuser might be worried enough to do something drastic before the doctor's exam.

How do you balance the right to privacy and the need to protect these innocent victims? Maybe free healthcare for children with mandatory screenings? Maybe we just need (as a society) to be more aware and less afraid to speak out. If CPS is not held accountable this will happen again. We need much more extensive involvement when people report their suspicions. I also think that step-fathers/boyfriends need to be monitored somehow when there are young children in the house. It just happens too often, every freakin' day I read this $hit.

Educate yourself people, know the signs. http://incestabuse.about.com/cs/childabuse/f/cabusesigns.htm

Don't second guess your gut, call the police. Get involved.

Rest in peace Mady girl.....

 

[SewingDeb]

Also did you see the comment that someone left saying they know them and that he wanted to get back with his ex but she trapped him by getting pregnant. So what? He had to beat and rape a 4 year old? It also said she was like fatal attraction? Could she have done this to her own child out of anger, maybe blaming her for the relationship not working out?

I saw that comment. Not sure what to think of it. If he wanted to leave, he was not married to her, was he? What was making him stay there? His lust for Madyson?

 

[Filly]

Also did you see the comment that someone left saying they know them and that he wanted to get back with his ex but she trapped him by getting pregnant. So what? He had to beat and rape a 4 year old? It also said she was like fatal attraction? Could she have done this to her own child out of anger, maybe blaming her for the relationship not working out?

BINGO! Did ya see on her Myspace in the like "about me" part she said she had a child. Then she wrote "Still interested?" Almost like she had already felt rejected by a guy because of her child. PLUS, was he taking out on that poor little baby all the anger he felt about not seeing his own daughters? On the mom of his children's myspace under his kids pictures he wrote all his DADDY MISSES YOU mush! DADDY IS TRYING! Trying what? To father another child and rape and beat another poor child?

 

[believe09]

I think it is a good idea but, ER visits are very expensive. Lawmakers will balk at the idea. If you required a mandatory visit to a doctor it would have to be immediate or the abuser might be worried enough to do something drastic before the doctor's exam.

How do you balance the right to privacy and the need to protect these innocent victims? Maybe free healthcare for children with mandatory screenings? Maybe we just need (as a society) to be more aware and less afraid to speak out. If CPS is not held accountable this will happen again. We need much more extensive involvement when people report their suspicions. I also think that step-fathers/boyfriends need to be monitored somehow when there are young children in the house. It just happens too often, every freakin' day I read this $hit.

Educate yourself people, know the signs. http://incestabuse.about.com/cs/childabuse/f/cabusesigns.htm

Don't second guess your gut, call the police. Get involved.

Rest in peace Mady girl.....

Then someone on staff, like our family court has "lawyer of the day", there should be a system for new dr's to be "dr's for a day." Social Services can have the physician's close by to examine the child stem to stern, and move them on to the ER if XRAYS are needed....what's a child worth these days? not much apparently.

 

[philamena]

colomom,
Thanks for the reply and for the links. It just kills me to look at pics of Madyson. OMgosh and reading her mom's page made me want to tell her a thing or two.

I bet little Madyson was abused for her entire life.

 

[Filly]

Here's the latest on poor Madyson's little life. Friends of Chrystie can't believe she'd ever hurt the little girl she lived for. Unfortunately once Mark entered the picture that all changed. BTW, he has admitted to physically and sexually abusing Madyson. Seems she pretty much cut herself off from everyone and that Mark was controlling.http://www.gazette.com/articles/madyson_32153___article.html/hardy_friends.html

 

[colomom]

Here's the latest on poor Madyson's little life. Friends of Chrystie can't believe she'd ever hurt the little girl she lived for. Unfortunately once Mark entered the picture that all changed. BTW, he has admitted to physically and sexually abusing Madyson. Seems she pretty much cut herself off from everyone and that Mark was controlling.http://www.gazette.com/articles/madyson_32153___article.html/hardy_friends.html

I SWEAR...there is a gene or it is ingrained in the human psyche or something...that makes a man want to kill his "mate's" previous children, "clean up the gene pool" so to speak. It is the only explanation I can come up with that would explain the cruelty exhibited by Mark Friend and so many other men like him.

AND I don't give a $hit how controlling Friend was, Hardy is entirely culpable in this murder. She did NOTHING to stop the abuse, she participated in the abuse. She murdered her daughter just as sure as she gave birth to her. She could have walked away, she could have escaped, she could have saved Mady's LIFE!!! Mady was not adored by her mother, her tooth rot is a very clear indication of the level of care Mady received as a baby.

It is so weird how the pregnancy was not commented on. Not in the myspace, not by the media, not by the friends (maybe once) or family.

There is something very strange and yet unknown here....

 

[LadyCat]

From Colomom
I SWEAR...there is a gene or it is ingrained in the human psyche or something...that makes a man want to kill his "mate's" previous children, "clean up the gene pool" so to speak. It is the only explanation I can come up with that would explain the cruelty exhibited by Mark Friend and so many other men like him.

Unfortunately, I believe that in a number of mammal species it is quite common for the male to kill the offspring of other males when they take over. This is going on memory, but I believe monkeys, apes, and lions are the ones I've read about this happening.

Not that that is any excuse - we are thinking (or supposed to be!) creatures and should be able to overcome any such genetic bias. Far too many men in these situations (of abuse of children) seem to fail to use any thinking or human feeling at all - unless its to their benefit.

 

[Reannan]

I sadly suspect there will be drugs at the root of this situation. I believe Mark introduced Chrystie to drugs, and they ultimately - along with him - took over her life. Poor little Mady was in a situation where a previously loving mother was now hitting her, and allowing her to be sexually and physically abused by the new man in her world. :furious: :waitasec: Colomom, I seem to recal that you have said before that you think there is a gene involved where new "men" in the lives of single women have a need to destroy the spawn of previous men. I think you may be on to something there. We certainly see it over and over and over and over here at WebSleuths. I try to put myself in the situation of everyone involved in a crime like this, and there is NO explanation other than drugs that would explain how I could let something like this happen to my child. I would die a thousand deaths for my children. I would kill a thousand men/husbands/boyfriends rather than let them harm my child. I take a drink now and then, I smoke a cigarette now and then, but I DO NOT DO DRUGS. That seems to be a common denominator among a lot of these tragic stories.

 

[SewingDeb]

I SWEAR...there is a gene or it is ingrained in the human psyche or something...that makes a man want to kill his "mate's" previous children, "clean up the gene pool" so to speak. It is the only explanation I can come up with that would explain the cruelty exhibited by Mark Friend and so many other men like him./QUOTE]

There are tribes in other countries where it is expected that the new husband will kill any children from a former husband. Nothing is done about it because it is normal.

AND I don't give a $hit how controlling Friend was, Hardy is entirely culpable in this murder. She did NOTHING to stop the abuse, she participated in the abuse. She murdered her daughter just as sure as she gave birth to her. She could have walked away, she could have escaped, she could have saved Mady's LIFE!!! Mady was not adored by her mother, her tooth rot is a very clear indication of the level of care Mady received as a baby.

Amen! I don't think you could love your child with all your heart one day and suddenly change those feelings just because you have a new man.

It is so weird how the pregnancy was not commented on. Not in the myspace, not by the media, not by the friends (maybe once) or family.

There is something very strange and yet unknown here....

The article said she was afraid to tell her friends about the pregnancy. That is extremely strange. I thought it was wierd of her to ask her friends who really did not like her or Madyson. Why would she ask that?

 

[Filly]

How about too how they said Madyson's biological dad was looking for them as somebody told him the dude was hurting Crystie. Therefore he thought he may be hurting his baby. Supposedly he was supposed to get Madyson next month. If it matters I think that dude wanted to be back with his own biological kids. He took out all his anger on that poor baby. Plus, his sentiment on the picture comments "Daddy misses you. Daddy is trying". It may be just me, but I saw that as it meant drugs. ETA, Colomom thanks for all the information on this case.

 

[SewingDeb]

Maybe that explains the comment by the mother about who didn't like her and Madyson. She was in a custody battle and may have caught wind of her ex knowing about the abuse and wondered who among her friends told him.

 

[Salem]

His friends' comments are in the place they are supposed to be, huh? Like everyone else's? Not for me! All I have below the friends pictures, there isn't anything on that side of the page but the car show background. There is a box outlined where the comments should be, but they sure don't show up on my screen. Dad-gummed computer!

teedie2 - they are not showing up for me either. Do you think someone took all the stuff off? I saw comments on Christie's page, but not on Mark's.

Salem

 

[believe09]

I know that it seems likely that these men are reacting to some primal instinct to destroy these children-I think that is horse hockey, respectfully, for these reasons:
I know many men who have blended these kids right into their lives, and in many cases adopted them.

What happened to Madyson was complete torture-the repeated pain and humiliation of being raped as a toddler? That is not a reaction to a primal instinct-that is sadism.

I lay this squarely at the door of the "jovial" mom. She knew that she could have turned her child over to her ex-who was actively seeking to have that done, and saved her child if she was too weak to leave this man. Instead she condoned and participated in the torture of her child...and one final thought, given the level of decay in Madyson's baby teeth, it is hard for me to believe that her mother "lived" for her daughter. That did not occur in the 4 months of abuse...jmo. I think it was only a matter of time before the boy started to be abused as well. Madyson was taking all of the heat.

 

[Salem]

I know that it seems likely that these men are reacting to some primal instinct to destroy these children-I think that is horse hockey, respectfully, for these reasons:
I know many men who have blended these kids right into their lives, and in many cases adopted them.

What happened to Madyson was complete torture-the repeated pain and humiliation of being raped as a toddler? That is not a reaction to a primal instinct-that is sadism.

I lay this squarely at the door of the "jovial" mom. She knew that she could have turned her child over to her ex-who was actively seeking to have that done, and saved her child if she was too weak to leave this man. Instead she condoned and participated in the torture of her child...and one final thought, given the level of decay in Madyson's baby teeth, it is hard for me to believe that her mother "lived" for her daughter. That did not occur in the 4 months of abuse...jmo. I think it was only a matter of time before the boy started to be abused as well. Madyson was taking all of the heat.

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I so totally agree Believe! This horrible crime lies at the mom's feet.

Salem

 

[paddy01]

Hi everbody, IMO, In their pictures they look a couple of METH users. That would account for mothers paranoid comment "Who doesn't like her or Madyson".

 

[colomom]

teedie2 - they are not showing up for me either. Do you think someone took all the stuff off? I saw comments on Christie's page, but not on Mark's.

Salem

teedie and salem....

I made a PDF file of all the comments and you can download them here: http://www.4shared.com/dir/5389243/7b283311/sharing.html

You will need a PDF reader (Adobe). If you don't have one you can download it for free at http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/

Let me know if you need help with any of this. It is all safe and virus-free.

The comments are all still there, it's that busy background that makes them hard to see so this file I created does not have the background. Just the comments and all the comment graphics. Chrystie went waaaaaay overboard on the graphics.

Filly: You are welcome :blowkiss:

 

[colomom]

Hi everbody, IMO, In their pictures they look a couple of METH users. That would account for mothers paranoid comment "Who doesn't like her or Madyson".

That is what I thought too. Did you notice the very last comment on The Fiends myspace? Probably a pot smoker at the very least.