CO CO - Roger Ellison, 17, Cedaredge, 10 Feb 1981 #2

[Satch]

Some time ago,

I found out more information about Mr. Pash,

Several years after Roger's disappearance, he left to teach at another school. It was a 6th Grade Elementary School in California I am pretty sure. The kids according to the article "all loved him." And the article said that one time Mr. Pash brought in his pet alligator and the kids really got a kick out of that. From what I remember, he kept it the classroom.

I know a guy that once had a pet alligator. The person that I know is very opinionated, although very funny, and a real character. Looking to stand out from the crowd, looking to be the center of attention and in control.

It got me thinking of some of the mannerisms of Mr. Pash, whom I think would be a character, would not take criticism well, but at the same time, maybe he always felt compelled to be involved in the lives of his students in an emotional way. I still have uncertainty's about him, and there is that level of distrust or friction that I can't get out of my mind. Even though there is no physical evidence to link him to Rogers' vanishing into thin air, I agree what others have said, there's something about him that seems "off", "out of place."

Satch

Mr. Pash, or whoever posted as him has come on to WS and said he did not have a pet alligator. This may be a different JP.

Satch

 

[rosesfromangels]

Which observation? I documented what I could and was as clear as possible.

The world was not as inclusive as it is today.
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True, but what point specifically are you trying to make? Some feel that Roger may have left home for just that reason.

Also, it would be germane to understanding my response(s) to go back and read the entire Ellison threads here. I myself have no direct information, as I tried to make clear.

I was hoping you knew who was stating that hypothesis as it is a strong motive, potentially.

 

[Waterdog]

Interesting re free association test , thoughts anyone?

Thanks to Mr Pash for having come back to have his final say (2016). Hope he's been able to enjoy his retirement. He's a very intelligent man and I can see how he was often mistaken for a psychologist. But if he was brilliant he would have left us a clue as to the 2 answer in the free association test! I had a feeling he was being googled and questioned about it by people - understandable why he was so defensive before.

It's clear we don't have all the facts that the LE has on this case. Until those are released we are only weaving loose tales. ); The thought of Roger's father waiting for the school bus every day after school hoping for his return, then breaking down crying when he didn't really break my heart! RIP, sir. Hope is family is doing ok.

 

[Waterdog]

I have spent the entire day reading the old thread and this new one. I feel like without us knowing what issue Roger was facing, we can only assume and those of us with wild imaginations (myself) have no idea which situation would be valid enough to make one leave and stay gone even though the parents were suffering/deceased because of the situation. The four possibilities that stand out in my mind are he could have witnessed a crime that would have turned the old-fashioned town on their heads and implicated many higher up citizens, he could have been taken advantage of sexually by an adult he trusted, he could have been diagnosed with a disease (this was a time when AIDS was seen as highly contagious, and those who were diagnosed were shunned in public like Ryan White), or he could have had sexual identification issues like maybe he was homosexual or trans and this would not have been acceptable in such a close-minded community. This is all just conjecture. I feel if he had impregnated a girl this would not have been such a huge deal. Yes the town was like the one in Footloose, but at the most scandalous for the town, he would have run away WITH her or they would have gotten an abortion. Most places like that would have just had them marry young and unhappily.

Like JPash stated, we won't know unless LE shares or a family member chooses to share. I feel that if it would help clear JPash or help with the case then after thirty some years LE should share something that would make all these wild accusations stop. I know it is none of our business about his personal life, but if there was a situation so bad that it causes one to run away, commit suicide, etc. and then other people are lead to believe an innocent person is responsible then sometimes things should be shared from LE/familly. Especially if it can solve this case.

Maybe we can just be hopeful that Roger is out there somewhere leading a new life and finally found peace.

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[Waterdog]

I am of the strong belief that Roger Ellison was shot and killed in the manner that was explained by the Deer Poacher. Roger Ellison was lured outside to meet 2 individuals. For reasons I do not know and can only speculate on. These were people Roger initially trusted and I believe he got in a car\truck and these 2 men drove him to the woods Northwest of Cederage.

The man who made the deathbed confession has no real reason to lie on his deathbed unless he is in fact the one who committed the murders. It is my opinion that the Deer Poacher knows exactly who killed Roger and due to friendship\relationship never came forward to authorities back in 1981. To clear his conscience he decided to open up about what he knows in the best way he can.


If Law enforcement want to crack this case they need to get in touch with the 2nd poacher if that person is still alive.

A couple of posters mentioned this incident supposedly happened several month AFTER he disappeared. Is this true? Did the confession include what time of year this incident happened? Weather was foggy with pellets of ice on the day he disappeared. Doesn't seem like a good hunting day.

 

[Waterdog]

Or someone else murdering Roger. Even if those men didn't exist, someone else may have had a motive to kill. The one thing that John Pash wrote which made sense to me, was the fact that this "poacher story" seems to be unsubstantiated. Where did Charley Project get this information? Old newspaper stories? Maybe if I have time tonight I will research some archived Colorado articles. But really, we don't even know if this is true or "folk lore" circulated on the web.

Someone else said that the police have never said they thought Roger was murdered. I will try to find evidence in articles linking authorities to this, but his Doenetwork page does say "Foul Play is suspected". Considering the circumstances, this is what I theoretically believe too. I believe if Roger had planned to kill himself, he would have done it at home. People say that maybe he wanted to spare his parents, but if this were the case, wouldn't he know that "hiding" his own body and them not knowing what happened would be torture? Most people who hang themselves kill themselves at home. Now, if Roger were to shoot himself, this would mean he would have stolen a gun without anybody knowing-because if a gun was missing from the Ellison home, I think police would suspect suicide--and walked deep, deep into the woods.

No suicide letter, nothing to comfort his grieving parents. His family who knew him best, his closest friends, none of them have come forward saying Roger was suicidal or had ever been depressed. He seemed "preoccupied" in the month leading up to his disappearance, but so do many teenagers. Maybe his mind was on the ski trip, maybe he had his eyes on someone new. That does not equate suicide contemplation or a secret plan to leave without a trace forever.

Pash is the only person who has come forward putting forth a Freudian assignment theory that revealed some hidden secret in Roger's life. Do we even know if this even happened? Well, you are free to believe whatever you'd like to believe. But the theory that Roger would run away is really not based on any evidence. First off, he left his clothing. Do you not think a teenager would at least pack a small bag? An extra jacket or change of clothing? A birth certificate? A letter to parents who would miss him? His money? Do you really think he would not tell or contact any of his friends? And even if he did, do you think those friends would watch his family suffering and an innocent man having the finger pointed at him? Would they not let it slip eventually?

Would a seemingly sheltered teenage boy have the capacity to lead an assumed identity with no money for the rest of his life? This is what leads me to my theory that one lone person did it. A group of individuals, in my opinion, would crack sooner or later. We see it time and time again. One person tells one person and there are rumours or that person tells the police. And to my knowledge, the only rumours have been surrounded John Pash. They still do; check internet posts where people claim to have been a student of his and say he took advantage.

A young, hip adult. A young, impressionable young man. An inappropriate relationship. An advance that was rejected. A threat to go to school officials, the police, the community. A wife and children to protect. People, Roger was not involved in any heavy duty drug group; this is Cedaredge! He was an athlete. What are the three things involved in most murders? Love, revenge or money. Roger was a young man, he did not have any money. He seemingly had no enemies who would kill him over a revenge, and if he did, they would be fellow teenagers. And teenagers are usually short sighted, irrational, and sloppy. That leaves love. Roger didn't have a girlfriend. If he were involved with another student, again, I think they would be sloppy.

That leads me to believe he was killed for an illicit love affair with an adult who did not want it revealed. Who meticulously planned and carried it out, got rid of the body with much foresight and adult knowledge in where to put it so nobody found it. Did he have a father or trustworthy relative to help him? A spouse who was dependent on him and willing to help the husband cover their tracks and spare the children the grief? A spouse who would provide an alibi, even? That could even fit in with the two poacher's theory, as well.

All my opinion.

Wow. I can see this too, more so than a drug deal gone bad. OMG.
If the story of the poacher was never substantiated could it have been made up by the killer to lead people astray? It's too convenient that the poachers are anonymous.

 

[Waterdog]

today is the 36th anniversary of Roger's disappearance. His locker was downstairs. Mine was upstairs toward the other end of the hall. I was a freshman at that time. I didn't know Roger that well. He was an upperclassman. But I do know Pash! I set in that man's classes for 4 years; sometimes 4 hours a day. I took Sociology 1 and 2, Psychology 1 and 2, World History 1 and 2, US History and drug education class from him. I have read his replies on this thread and I am compelled to address a few things I feel like he isn't being truthful about.

First, I have no idea if Pash was involved with Roger's disappearance. However, the picture he paints of Cedaredge High isn't entirely accurate. I certainly don't deny a certain amount of "small town" narrowness, However, there was NO KKK or predominant racial bigotry. In fact, a lot of bullying I remember was from him towards students who disagreed with his ideology. By God, if you made a Pro-life, Pro-establishment or Pro-American statement, you better buckle up to defend it. He would single a student out and publicly "debate" them until they backed down. No only that, but the man was obsessed with the gruesome. One year, we spent a whole quarter studying Serial killers. In one particular class discussion about Charles Mason (Halter Skelter was required reading that quarter), Pash openly bantered back and forth with the students about the possible ways the Mason family could have disposed of bodies. Long before the ID channel, I knew pulling teeth and a body buried with lye, covered in plastic, was effective. Yep, I learned it in my sociology class! Other times we were shown photos of the holocaust and blown up bodies from the Veitum war. I remember one time, one of my friends was so affected by them, she left class to vomit.

Pash was openly anti-establishment and encouraged counter-culture. There is no doubt that he was not the favorite with many parents. But the info that he left Cedaredge "shortly after Ellison disappeared" is not correct. He was still there after I graduated in 1984.

Pash was a "favorite" amongst the "stoners" or Rock wallers". They all set on the rock wall between his house and school before and after school hours and lunch time. That rock wall was the school grounds border; it was located about 50 ft, across the south parking lot, directly across from the south door. One more than one occasion, you saw Pash standing over there, either on his way to or from the school, talking to them. More than once I got that "feeling" that some of them were way too friendly with him. It was common knowledge that he would "look" the other way if a student was using drugs. In fact, the authorities should interview the members of the wrestling team of that time. Years later, many still had a cocaine abuse problem. Why has that link never been looked into?

I also find his statements about not having written assignments very often, ludicrous. In EVERY class, we were required to have a notebook in which we were required to write details notes. Did you see the way he replied? The outline format he used? Well, he would do that same thing on the chalkboard; thousands of words a day and we had to duplicate those outlines and add our notes in these notebooks. It was like being in a college course. He collected them each week. A huge portion of our grade was based on those thousands of pages of notes. Mr. Pash was big on written assignment.

In conclusion, I am not sure what Mr. Pash's motive is for blurring the facts regarding our school and town. But the man is smart; a master of mental conditioning. Just be mindful of that when he is posting those long narratives.

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[Waterdog]

Hello CedaredgeNative:

I can’t say whether or not you really are from Cedaredge, but if so, I can understand why you would want to stand up for your community. But in doing so, you have over-reacted and made false conclusions about what I wrote. I never said that there was a KKK group in town. I said there was one idiot who stood in front of me and chanted the name. You acknowledge that there was a degree of “small town narrowness”- that’s a politically correct way of saying racism/bigotry/prejudice. You are trying to minimize how they were. You say you have read my posts- re-read post #4, paragraph 1. You will see that I said I was amazed at how easily certain words came out of their mouths. I’m sure that if you were to ask any of the people back then if they were racist, they would probably say no. At least they didn’t think they were, but what they said cannot be denied. And to speak that way, and not truly understand what they were saying, is what was disturbing. It demonstrated an unconscious mentality. I guess you didn’t do well in either of my sociology or psychology classes.

The “rockwallers” were congregated next to my house. Wouldn’t you want to see who they were in the event something happened to your house? I didn’t treat them like pariahs. Maybe they appreciated that. And the use of the term “Hash Pash”. That’s something adolescents like doing- making fun of a person’s name. I won’t even go into other phrases I’ve heard. But you missed an important fact. After my 2nd year there, the new high school was opened, and the “rockwallers” ceased to be. It wasn’t cool anymore to go to the parking lot of a middle school to hang out.

Here’s another mistake- there was no garage when I lived in that house. So no tying up, no tank of lye. A person from that time period would have known that. Hell, anybody who bothered to read through the posts would have seen that it’s been verified that no garage existed at the time.

As for my “debates”- you need to give it some context. When you say I opposed pro-life statements, that’s not entirely true. If a person said that no abortions should be permitted under any circumstance, of course I will challenge that. What about the health of the mother, if the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest? The majority of Americans support abortions in those instances- so which of us is out of the mainstream? I’m not pro-American? Are you kidding me? Again, context is needed. I think you are confusing being pro-American with a lack of desire to understand the full scope of American history- it’s achievements and its failures (see post #4, paragraph 2). You didn’t want a teacher, you wanted a propagandist. Now I’m not sure if I should be offended by being considered anti-Establishment. Seeing how we just elected the most anti-Establishment candidate as our new president, maybe I should consider that a label of honor. Once more, context is needed- what does antiEstablishment even mean. But you want to prove that you were a student of mine? There was something I always did before engaging any students in any type of debate. Just explain what it was. If you took that many classes from me, you should be very aware of it. And what counterculture did I encourage? Did I teach in a tie dyed t-shirt, wearing sandals and a necklace of love beads? Maybe I taught wearing old army fatigues with a bandana and spouted marxist slogans while passing out chapters from the anarchist cookbook? I know why you think that about me- because I wore a black suit and white shirt, well using a horse and buggy to get back and forth from school, and had that beard every other year.

You claim having been my student. This is so easy to prove that you probably weren’t- at least not to the extent that you say you were. Where do I start?
1st- thank you for pointing out the copious amount of notes I wrote on the board. Questions have been asked what I was doing before first period started, and I have stated that I was preparing for class- writing my notes on the board. Remember, this was before computers and projecting the notes onto a white board. This was old school technology- i.e. blackboard and chalk. However, I never collected notebooks every week to grade them. That would have been too time-consuming. I put the notes on the board, you chose to copy them or not. I would be able to tell by your test scores if you were taking notes or not, and if you bothered studying or not. Plus you complain that it was like a college course. Do you know why? All of my classes were classified as college prep courses. Do you even understand what that means? They were designed to prepare students for success in college. So thank you, it was supposed to be like a quasi college course- see post #4, paragraph 2.
2nd- I taught 6 classes. My classes were some of the largest academic classes on campus. Whereas school policy limited the number of students in a class, I told the administration to disregard that policy for me. If a student wanted to be in my class- bring in more desks. Yes, my classes were that popular. Plus, of the 6 classes I taught, only 2 were required for graduation- world history (2 classes- I was the only teacher) and us history (1 class- plus another teacher taught a class). A student would have to take me for world history, but not for anything else. The rest of my classes were electives- not required for graduation, your choice and decision. So why would you sign up for so many of my classes?
3rd- The class schedule was for an 8-period day. Teachers taught 6 classes, had 1 prep period, and 1 lunch period. The classes were about 45 minutes each- here’s your problem. You say that sometimes you sat for 4 hours in my classroom. If you took 4 classes on one year, that would only be 3 hours. But World History was for 10th graders, and US History was for 11th graders. The Sociology and Psychology classes were for 11th-12th graders. So, did you fail both World and US and had to make them up your senior year? That’s the only way you would take 4 classes on one year. But it doesn’t explain your 9th grade year. What class did you take then that I taught. Also, drug education was not a separate class. It was the 4th quarter of psychology. It was the decision of the school district. The unfortunate reality about it- they wouldn’t pay for a textbook. I was given some pamphlets from the DEA and that was all. But it does explain why I was always in a rush to get through the psychology book by the end of the 3rd quarter- hence always moving on and not staying on any one topic for longer than a day, or two at most. Now let’s dismiss the fabricated story of studying serial killers for a whole quarter. Here’s your problems with that story-
a) the textbook was printed in 1977. That was the year of Son of Sam and the Hillside Strangler. The concept of a serial killer was just beginning to become a public awareness, but a psychological profile of serial killers wouldn’t be finalized until 1990. So the textbook wouldn’t have any discussion of those types of people, there really wasn’t any understanding of them. Nor would you be able to find any real information any where else. Remember, this was before the internet.
b) Charles Manson and his group were mass murderers. They wanted the bodies to be found, so why would they want to coverup the murders? Which then begs to ask why even consider that topic? Anybody who read Helter Skelter would have realized that. But it couldn’t have been required reading. In order for a book to be required reading it has to meet 3 conditions- 1st- it has to be on the school district’s list of approved reading; 2nd- it has to have the principal’s approval that it meets the guidelines of the course; and 3rd- it must be provided by the school district for every student. Do you really think that a school district that will mandate a drug education class be taught, but won’t pay for a textbook, is really going to spend money on Helter Skelter for every student in the class?
4th- Oh no,….I didn’t make the holocaust look nicer? Or the impact that war as less devastating? Where did those pictures come from? Maybe a book from the school library? I know I never owned such a book.
Anyways, what all this tells me is that you weren’t an academic scholar.

Now for the wrestling team. I can tell right away that you weren’t an athlete either. Virtually every wrestler was a 3-sport letterman. That means they also played sports during the fall (football) and spring- track, baseball, or maybe tennis. That would mean that if you were an athlete, some of them would have been on your team. You would have had first-hand knowledge of them using cocaine. The thing about competitive athletes, once they find a way that gives them an advantage, they try it all the time, in all their sports. A fellow teammate would not make such wild accusations without cause or proof- like you said- you can’t confirm any of that. But I will acknowledge that there was a concern among coaches that certain drugs were making their way into high school sports. It was already prevalent in the pros, had been taken up by college athletes, and might become used by high schoolers. The time was the late 70s, early 80s. Those drugs were steroids. And we never went from last to winning state in one year. We never won state- the best we did was place tenth once. We did win the league championships twice, and the district tournament once. There were a couple of wrestlers who placed 3rd or 5th at the state tournament, but that was it. So why did they do so well? Very simple- they were dedicated, diligent, persistent, and most importantly, talented. What they lacked was a sense of team-ship. Ultimately wrestling is an individual sport. The rest of the team can lose, but you can succeed as an individual. That was their mentality when I got there. But I taught them to be concerned about each other- that they were stronger together than separate. And that helped spur on wrestlers who might otherwise give up on the mat, and to show them support from the bench. No, you wouldn’t understand, you were never an athlete.

So, we’ve established that you were neither a scholar, nor an athlete. Did you do anything in high school? Maybe play in the band? Oh, and what does mental conditioning mean? That I learned how to think logically, and frame it in a thoughtful way so when I spoke I didn’t sound like an idiot who does more rambling and makes stupid accusations than being articulate and factually correct?
But let’s say for argument sake that you were a student at the high school who graduated in 1984. Yes, I was there when you graduated. I didn’t move until the end of June, beginning of July 1984. So that would mean you are in your early 50s. Oh my God, you’re an adult. So why not act like a grownup and state your name, instead of hiding behind your moniker? I already know why- anonymity is the shield of the irresponsible. You are a coward.

JPash

D'oh!

I'm posting replies as I read the thread. It's crazy how my theories go back and forth. :-O
Can you blame me?

If it's possible he was a runaway, I wonder if his remaining family would consider submitting their DNA to 23andme or a similar site. Maybe something will pop up.

 

[Waterdog]

The person that was said to last see him and talk to him in the hallway was my neighbor. I would love to pick his brain. I moved away 25 years ago and the neighbor was probably gone before that as he was quite a bit older than me. He would maybe have answers about the assignment etc assuming he had the same class. Do we know if others in the class can corroborate the secret assignment ?



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Exactly. Surely the fellow students could corroborate the assignment and whether or not the details of the assignment were shared in class.

 

[Mom24]

were there any maps of the area from 1981?

 

[lgr]

One question though, how far away were the woods where the poachers saw the men with a gun pointed at a tied up man? (If this is true, what cowards the poachers were. )

I've written this before about the poachers. They were part of the community and had families there, I'm sure. It is not cowardice to choose not to disarm a person who's holding a hostage at gunpoint. Most people are just not going to risk doing it for a stranger. You want to believe you would be the hero and wrestle a gun away from somebody, but in real life, when the rubber meets the road, you are going to see the faces of your family members flash before your eyes and you are just not going to risk it. I don't blame these poachers one bit.

That being said, I also believe enough time has gone by that someone who knows something needs to speak up. It's been decades since Roger's disappearance. Most if not all statutes of limitations for crimes have passed, except for murder (which doesn't have a statute of limitations). This indicates to me that Roger was murdered and his murderer probably still lives in the community and is being protected. I'm afraid that, since those who know what happened have kept their mouths shut this long, they are going to continue to remain silent until the murderer possibly dies.

Also, after having read through Roger's threads and accompanying newspaper articles several times, I think the cops know Roger is dead, and they probably know who did it, but lots of times LE or district attorneys will not bring a murder case forward without a body. There is another case I used to follow here: Tara Calico from New Mexico. She disappeared without a trace in the late 80s (maybe early 90s). LE have told reporters that they think they know who killed her, but the killer is known in the community and they are not going to charge him unless they find Tara's body. So, her case stays open as a missing person, similar to Roger's.

Someone who identified himself as one of Roger's lockermates posted on Roger's first thread. He cryptically said something along the lines of "I hope Roger found what he was looking for." This indicates to me that Roger decided to duck out of school that morning to confront somebody in order to learn something. His lockermates were aware of it, and that is why they stayed silent as to Roger's whereabouts during that day. When it came out that Roger was missing, they may have continued to keep their mouths shut because they know who was likely the last person Roger had seen that morning. Another group of people keeping their mouths shut because this person is probably known in the community.

All of this is speculation on my part, of course, but it seems plausible to me. Off to do some more cogitating...

 

[Waterdog]

Cowardice - Wikipedia

Coward,
noun

1. a person who lacks the courage to face danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, unpleasant things, etc.

It was easy to to make anonymous calls to police in 1981.

Regardless of what you say, it was foggy and sleeting the day he disappeared. It wasn’t hunting season. But, despite this, the man (the poacher) id’d the man (with the gun) he was questioned....per what was stated in these threads.

IMO, this case is too simple (Occam’s Razor) and that’s why it can’t be solved without a body, or confession, or witness.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Cowardice - Wikipedia

Coward,
noun

1. a person who lacks the courage to face danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, unpleasant things, etc.

It was easy to to make anonymous calls to police in 1981.

Regardless of what you say, it was foggy and sleeting the day he disappeared. It wasn’t hunting season. But, despite this, the man (the poacher) id’d the man (with the gun) he was questioned....per what was stated in these threads.

IMO, this case is too simple (Occam’s Razor) and that’s why it can’t be solved without a body, or confession, or witness.

Coward(s) absolutely! I have other names for them too, but out of respect for our TOS will refrain.

Whether the cowards ever come forward or not, or whether the Perps get caught, one thing is for sure. The old adage of "what goes around comes around" is SO so true. And maybe, just maybe someone simply can't stand the stress of possessing knowledge, and will come forward. I suspect they don't sleep well.

 

[Mom24]

another article. States Roger had worked as a bag boy at local grocery store, dairy farm helper, picker at a local orchard and local handyman.
Also stated Det. Waibel, the investigating officer, found no evidence of a drug problem, no hint of mental illness and nothing to indicate Roger was depressed. He also stated that they questioned his teachers, bus driver, friends and ski coaches and "came up with nothing". A SYMBOL OF THE MISSING THOUSANDS: DURANGO'S YOUNG UNKNOWN TRAVELER

 

[rosesfromangels]

another article. States Roger had worked as a bag boy at local grocery store, dairy farm helper, picker at a local orchard and local handyman.
Also stated Det. Waibel, the investigating officer, found no evidence of a drug problem, no hint of mental illness and nothing to indicate Roger was depressed. He also stated that they questioned his teachers, bus driver, friends and ski coaches and "came up with nothing". A SYMBOL OF THE MISSING THOUSANDS: DURANGO'S YOUNG UNKNOWN TRAVELER

Sounds like a terrific, industrious young man. I'm sure his parents were very proud of him.

 

[msmithca858]

So here's the list:
Roger Ellison
disappeared 2/10/1981-tuesday
17 years old
born 3/11/1963
5'11"-6' tall
150 lbs
dark blond hair/blue eyes
double crown birthmark (doesn't say where)
last seen wearing: blue tshirt, jeans, light blue nylon parka, white socks, sneakers (size 12 or 13)
Senior at Cedaredge High School
rode bus to school
shared a locker
last seen at locker 119
locker was in basement of school
last seen at 8:30am putting books in locker
did not attend any classes that day
had a wallet with id and $3.00 in cash
had an orange or yellow backpack
owned a motorcycle and a car (both left behind)
had about $1,000.oo in his bank acct.
popular student
"straight-A" student
accepted to Western State College, CO
had put deposit on room at college
Skier, was on a ski team
John Pash-POI
visited Pash's house on numerous occasions
Mother stated he was "preoccupied" a month before disappearing
Pash told parents Roger had personal problems and was suicidal

If I've missed any facts, let me know and I'll add them. It helps me to have a list of known facts to work from.

Just be clear, Mr. Pash, who has posted on here in the past denied that Roger visited his home on "frequent" occasions. Also, he denies that he told Roger's parents that Roger was suicidal.

 

[msmithca858]

In 1994, a former classmate of Roger's said his body might be buried at the house where Pash lived in 1981. Pash had sold it in 1984 and moved away.

Authorities searched the house with ground-penetrating radar and saw some anomalies, including two under the concrete garage floor, but they decided not to dig.
...................................

Does anyone presently live in that house?

And, is there any chance LE might be able to get a permit to dig under the garage floor?

The house is currently a Thrift Store. One odd fact is that at one time the County Cornorer lived that the same house.

 

[Mom24]

Just be clear, Mr. Pash, who has posted on here in the past denied that Roger visited his home on "frequent" occasions. Also, he denies that he told Roger's parents that Roger was suicidal.

The poster who posted as JPash was also not a verified poster, so I'm taking anything written by that poster with a grain of salt.

 

[lgr]

It wasn’t hunting season.

Of course it wasn't hunting season. They were poachers. If it was hunting season, they would have been hunters!

I agree with you that the poachers were cowards. I only meant to say that I understand their cowardice. Many people are unwilling to risk their lives and their family for a stranger. Had they had the guts to make an anonymous call, as you suggested, LE could have found the body of the young man who was being held. If it wasn't Roger, then some other family is still wondering what happened to their boy.

 

[msmithca858]

The poster who posted as JPash was also not a verified poster, so I'm taking anything written by that poster with a grain of salt.