CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #11

[MerryB]

I think I have a different name and different pics. But that’s just what I think.

Well...what does that tell you?

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Guys, honestly, to go a slightly different direction here....I can’t get past the whole little girls thing. I mean, those were two amazingly adorable little baby girls. And yeah, as mentioned, there are videos that show him happily playing with those babies.

What the HECK happened? I can’t even remotely wrap my brain around it. I mean, if you think back about family murders, it’s almost more often the mom that kills the babies—post partum depression or drugs or mental illness or a combination of the above. But a dad? Who doesn’t seem to have any diagnosed mental illness? Not on drugs, other than a thrive patch...? How does this even happen???? I guess he is going to argue that SW did them in, and although I have no numbers, it would seem that statistically it would be more likely for the mom to have done the girls in than the dad... but if so, and as discussed, dad wouldn’t have tossed them into an oil vat. He would have called the cops, sobbing. I can’t even figure out a motive that would fit this case. I mean, the girls were gone for six weeks and then BOOM, he had to babysit for a weekend. I’m sure it wasn’t fun for him. On the other hand, you’d have thought he would have missed them and been okay with babysitting. But still, either way.....I can’t even figure it out. Crazy, crazy stuff. It stinks that he is gonna argue the SW thing, because I wanna find out what was going through his mind when he decided it was okay to kill his babies.

As one of our posters wisely said, CW's mask fell off.

That's what happened.

 

[kimlynn]

But if she was actually nervous "in regard to Chris and the children", she must not have been that worried; because she got up and left that area of the home and went out on the back deck to continue her video speech and her praises of her husband. She was then out of range to monitor her husband with the children.

To be honest I tuned out a bit toward the end of the video. I couldn't tell you what she said.
But you're correct that she did leave them to go outside. IMO

 

[Ronso]

Here
When parents kill: FBI data reveal disturbing patterns
More than three decades of FBI homicide data shows patterns stand out when parents kill their children: Three out of four child victims are younger than 5. In 56% of all cases, fathers are the killers. In murders with multiple victims, fathers are the culprit 70% of the time.

Thank you!

 

[akazia1978]

Youd be surprised at what they get/get away with in jail. My husband is a deputy and depending on crime or what housing unit youre in these criminals get their own ipads. Completely ridiculous. If youre a non violent offender you can get "jobs" in the jail, can actually be out of your cell for long periods of time. Most actually prefer to stay in county jail and not be transferred to a state prison.

This is not true of the jail he is in. . He prob has rec 2-3 times per week for an hour. The majority of his time will be in lockdown as he is most like in the pc wing, so the majority of the day every day, with time out to shower. There is one TV for the whole wing and they get headphones to watch from their cell. No ipads, very limited visits. Prison is in fact easier. However, I admit I thought Colorado jails were fairly cushy, but ipads tops that one hundred times over. You will find the majority here would choose prison over jail in a heartbeat.

 

[Allabouttrial]

You can't ever make sense of it. Nothing happened. He didn't snap, he's not insane, drugs didn't make him put babies in oil and laugh on tv days later.

He was born different and possibly made worse depending on his childhood environment.

Moo

If that is your feelings, then is that not case closed in your eyes?

 

[RavenCC2020]

*snip*

I have to say that the videos of him playing with the kids doesn’t mean that he played with them more than she did, though. It just means she took videos of him while he did not take videos of her. So we really can’t go by videos posted on social media to compare parenting, IMHO.

I for one see the significance here...the fact she is the photo taker / videographer. I was looking at old photos and it dawned on me that there weren't many pictures of myself over the years. I was too busy capturing family moments for myself to cherish in the future especially with my kids. They grow so fast and one day they are young adults. I believe Shannan was the same. The very sentimental mom who loves her girls dearly and wants those special moments to enjoy long after they are grown and out on their own. I also think part of Shannan's responsibility was keeping her husband appeased due to his insecurities and fragile ego. Notice all the wonderful pictures and testimonies she gives him in her SM. Many have suggested she did this to convince herself and her people that she was living the perfect life. There probably is some truth to that but honestly I feel it was more about propping him up then it was her. It seems like she was working to keep him engaged and encouraging him to be interested in BEING party of the family. Not that he was fooling around and attempting to escape or anything. Something deeper. He doesn't feel connections with people like other people do.

I think he had poor social and relationship skills. Again, that ridiculous presentation about how to keep a relationship together. I am going to go out on a limb here based on nothing but my own gut feeling and I've had it since viewing the video...I think he has experienced unhealthy, fractured relationships for a long time, possibly since childhood with his own parents, especially mother. Again, this is MY opinion. It appears it weighed on his mind so much so that he chose it as a topic for his class. This suggests to me possibly a recent break up that really bothered him. Or it could be his realization that he really doesn't have the healthy skills TO have a healthy relationship. If you haven't seen the video something stood out to me that was totally bizarre. Here he is attempting to give a confident and convincing presentation on how to have a healthy long term relationship. At one point as he is reciting what he had written he begins to debate HIS OWN presentation ROFL. The bullet point that he was reciting was about when a relationship breaks down it is normally the BETTER LOOKING PERSON who moves on first. He then says, I don't think that is necessarily true. Well dumbo, this was YOUR presentation so why would you include it if you didn't feel it to be true.

That little scenario says to me someone dumped his butt and in the wake of it he is feeling SHE was not more attractive then HIM... EGO here... Also it revealed something especially significant about his overall character. He is LAZY and unprepared! It tells me he just copied someone else's work verbatim and called it his own. His arguing with himself about it during the presentation says to me he didn't even acknowledge what he was writing when he copied it. He had a paper due, BAAMMMM here is his paper. No thought at all put into it. Well consider what Shannan herself points out on her SM in regards to him. She is cleaning the house, doing wash, caring for the kids and he is laying down on the couch doing NOTHING. LAZY...

I'm going to take enormous license here but I really believe this....he NEVER earned those points in THRIVE by himself. I believe Shannan did the work, had people SHE actually recruited given to her husband so he would earn the car etc. I think initially she recruited him to get him involved because it did take up so much time so she probably thought if he is doing it too, at least they had that in common and he won't feel left out. But this guy is an underachiever. He doesn't HAVE her energy, drive or desire to build his own business. In sales it also takes something else he lacks, he has zero charisma and no shmuzzing skills. He is NOT a people person. So already he is set up to fail. He doesn't have what it takes.

It takes TOTAL committment and he probably thought I have a full time job and I do enough. The fact that she was good at it and excelled would be a further bone of contention for him. It only made it more apparent she has the people skills and drive to be successful all on her own. Doesn't NEED him does she. These guys hate feeling like failures. So I bet he gave excuse after excuse as to why she was doing well and he wasn't. Hey had a full time job, isn't THAT enough. He didn't have the "luxury" of being home all day to pursue it like she did. He would really believe this too. It does not enter into his mind all she has on her plate every day BEYOND doing the THRIVE stuff...she cares for the house, cleans, cooks, laundry, kids, doctors appointments etc. YET she managed to get all that done AND be successful with her business....that had to really rip his a$$ and make him feel like a total loser.

So exactly, looks are deceiving. Video's of him playing with his kids, snaps as well. Those are only minute snippets of one's life. No one would see that he puts the child down after the video and walks away from her. Even their closest friends do not see what happens as soon as they leave the BBQ. Behind closed doors is just that. No witnesses. This guy was all about appearance. He is a fraud.

 

[SuperTmo]

But wouldn't she have indicated that as her reason for alerting LE?
She has done interviews since the murder and also has spoken to LE. Wouldn't LE take that into account before charging Chris?

No, he’ll say that NU didn’t tell police this because she was trying to protect Shanann’s reputation. It’s the reason he gave for dumping the babies in the oil instead of calling the cops.

 

[Nah]

I do think she posted that creepy pic to her FB page as a public awareness thing. Maybe she was starting to be wary of her husband before then. But if not, I think she was wary at that point. If you think about it, a mom probably wouldn’t really actually want to post a picture like that unless they thought it was funny...and then they would say “Wow, this is hilarious”. If they did not find it funny, they would probably find it embarrassing. “Gosh, I don’t want my friends to think I have a freaky family!” No, she posted and said she didn’t know what to think. She did joke about the girls doing it in the comments. But I think the dad did it and then told her the girls did it. And I think she knew something wasn’t right. And I think she posted it so that at least maybe her family would know something wasn’t right. And if you think about it, even CW’s dad knew something wasn’t right immediately.

Sorry, I can’t help bringing up the creepy pic again because it is literally one of the most chilling things I have seen on a social media page right before a killing. Seriously creepy.

BTW I heard from someone I know who was on a FB group with SW. It was a group for some kind of medical esophagal condition. One of the girls evidently had it. I’m not sure how high maintenance that particular medical condition is. I don’t think it’s too bad, but it does take a few specialist visits, I believe.

 

[borndem]

I wonder if this^^ contributed to his anger and bitterness? Did he himself have high expectations of where his photographic memory and technical skills would take him?

I didn't think he was involved in drugs. But if he was that intelligent, as described by his High School teacher, than how did he do such a terrible job cleaning up after his evil deeds? Maybe he has been getting high.

Except I do think the oil business drug tests their employees in the field. Don't they?

I can't speak for that company, of course, but I read a good article several months ago about drug problems in the workplace which said most companies who hire (IIRC) more than 100 people have mandatory new-employee testing (you are a new-hire unless you fail), and they inform employees that they are subject to mandatory testing at any time. They also said -- and this is amazing, IMO -- that new-employee positive testing ran about 35%.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I disagree with “born different”. Everyone has the same opportunity to make choices with their free wills as anyone else. Many people are born into difficult situations, with mental illnesses, or other struggles, and they do not mass kill their families. This was a choice he made, and the blame lies solely with his adult choice. Not his birth, and not his parents.

I disagree with “born different”. Everyone has the same opportunity to make choices with their free wills as anyone else. Many people are born into difficult situations, with mental illnesses, or other struggles, and they do not mass kill their families. This was a choice he made, and the blame lies solely with his adult choice. Not his birth, and not his parents.

Its science. You can literally see the differences on a brain scan.


The sociopath causes are biological as well as environmental. Aspects of nature (the person's biology and genetic make-up) influence the development of sociopathy. Also, events in the nurturing of the person impact sociopathic behaviors. While it's still unknown exactly how much of the sociopath causes come from nature and how much come from nurture, researchers do know that both play an important role in the development of sociopathy

Sociopath Causes: the Making of a Sociopath | HealthyPlace

Moo

 

[Bluefield]

The more this goes on the more I feel like he said I’m leaving and I’m taking the kids and she flipped and made sure he wasn’t going to take them and then he flipped on her. So sad.

What makes you think he would have said he was taking the kids? And why do you find his story so believable?

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

If that is your feelings, then is that not case closed in your eyes?

I firmly believe he has some form of antisocial personality disorder. I firmly believe people close to him will have seen actions to support this.

I firmly believe he planned, murdered, dumped his family and then enjoyed a few days of being popular before he was arrested.

Moo

 

[Bill Carson]

Its science. You can literally see the differences on a brain scan.


The sociopath causes are biological as well as environmental. Aspects of nature (the person's biology and genetic make-up) influence the development of sociopathy. Also, events in the nurturing of the person impact sociopathic behaviors. While it's still unknown exactly how much of the sociopath causes come from nature and how much come from nurture, researchers do know that both play an important role in the development of sociopathy

Sociopath Causes: the Making of a Sociopath | HealthyPlace

Moo

BBM

I strongly believe many psychological disorders are the same---you have to have a genetic predisposition (nature) coupled with an environmental trigger (nurture), such as early childhood trauma.

That's why I sure would like to know more about CW's childhood.

 

[Crazycupcakesx3]

I think it’s possible he was sleepwalking when he killed them.

You cant possibly be serious with that statement.

 

[DAdvocate]

I’m going to go watch it again. I’ll report back with my observations.

Alright a few things stick out to me watching that video. For those wondering, it’s the 30 minute video on her FB.

1. Her tone changed when she had to tell the child to say hi for a second time.
2. She looked as though she had been crying.
3. She seemed sad or depressed to me.

It’s almost like the six week trip was to spend some final time with her family. I think she may have killed her children. IMO

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

BBM

I strongly believe many psychological disorders are the same---you have to have a genetic predisposition (nature) coupled with an environmental trigger (nurture), such as early childhood trauma.

That's why I sure would like to know more about CW's childhood.

I agree. And I think the reverse can be true - where a loving supportive family with therapy can help.

Moo

 

[gitana1]

sounds like i should be watching a documentary on this Peterson case and the Longo(?)

Any recommendations

If you'd be willing to read there are great ones on the Peterson case. Much better than any documentary I've seen. His sister, her mother and a psychologist who analyzed the case. All three wrote books that aren't fascinating.

 

[gitana1]

I haven't been on this site since the Jodi Arias trial. I don't ever post but just read. I don't know if this has been discussed or not but I have been watching the video interviews of CW and there is one where he is talking about "everything that's happening in the last few days" as being earth shattering. Later in the interview the woman states you saw her yesterday morning and he agrees by saying "yeah, I saw her yesterday morning...." If he had just seen her yesterday morning, what was so earth shattering in the "last few days"?

Too bad you don't post more often! Excellent and smart observation.

 

[CM0709]

Alright a few things stick out to me watching that video. For those wondering, it’s the 30 minute video on her FB.

1. Her tone changed when she had to tell the child to say hi for a second time.
2. She looked as though she had been crying.
3. She seemed sad or depressed to me.

It’s almost like the six week trip was to spend some final time with her family. I think she may have killed her children. IMO

If she was planning on killing herself and the children why did she do it when he was at home? Dont most murder suicides take place with nobody else in the home?? She was probably sad and depressed because she was pregnant and her husband was having an affair. I don't know anyone who would be happy about that.