CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #11

[borndem]

This is why motive is not an element of any crime. We don't have to know why CW did it, or understand what he was thinking, we just have to look at the evidence and draw the conclusion that he did do it, then find him guilty.

No, motive is not required, but juries like to hear motive, and the prosecution likes to present one. It's the "Why?" part, and for a crime of this nature, a motive could really help. This is not a simple crime -- it's one that is hard to grasp due to its severity and cruelty. With a psychological profile of the killer (if there is one presented at trial), a motive will help the jurors, IMO, come to a G verdict more easily. JMO

 

[Iam Nana!]

IF as he says, the mother strangled the girls that he loved so much, why in the world did he put them in oil tanks? Is that his way of showing love?

He hanged himself when he stated that one of the girls had turned blue. Baby monitors are in black and white. And in my opinion, are not clear enough to see a color change in anything.

We haven’t been told, but how much money was Chris spending on his mistress/s? This did not help the financial situation.

IMO, there is more to come out about bad behaviors from Chris.

I cannot shake the feeling that there was sexual abuse involved here also. A man who is that emotionally detached from his children in my opinion is capable of that. Oh God, I hope that wasn't the case.

 

[Jennifer17]

Respectfully disagree - she had one part time job, he was the main income earner. I doubt she would be able to continue her MLM scheme without his steady income, so I believe she wouldn’t cope without him.

Yes a lot of that is speculation just like your post.

Some very sexiest assumptions being made on here today

We don't even know if he worked full time, do we? Where I live, no man who worked full time in the oil and gas industry would be only earning $60,000.

 

[SheepMan]

Oh and DAdvocate, also, there is the little detail about the creepy corpse on the sofa, which could very well be a sign that the dad had something nasty up his sleeve. She was not home when that was arranged.

Yes she was - she posted it to SM

 

[Allabouttrial]

(And it's like, "ugh, I just sat down and I'm writing this comment, can't you just leave me alone for ... ten minutes?? (sigh)

Totally relate to that

 

[Ronso]

We don't even know if he worked full time, do we? Where I live, no man who worked full time in the oil and gas industry would be only earning $60,000.

We also have a verified insider who said she was making good money from that "scheme" so the only sexist assumptions seem to be from those who think she was some sort of leech on her husband for being home with the kids and wasn't contributing financially as much as he was.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes she was - she posted it to SM

It thought it was sent to her and she posted it.

 

[Jennifer17]

It thought it was sent to her and she posted it.

I find that whole thing strange. Twister is not a game for small children, their limbs are not long enough. Although maybe you can get a small child version, now?

 

[RavenCC2020]

If you'd be willing to read there are great ones on the Peterson case. Much better than any documentary I've seen. His sister, her mother and a psychologist who analyzed the case. All three wrote books that aren't fascinating.

I have read the one's you mention and agree. I also liked Catherine Crier's book "A Deadly Game". She had a bit of inside info which I assumed came from the cops when she interviewed them for her book. She also reported on the case during the trial on CourtTV

 

[Bill Carson]

Except why would he take it out on his babies?

That is the sixty-four dollar question.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

We also have a verified insider who said she was making good money from that "scheme" so the only sexist assumptions seem to be from those who think she was some sort of leech on her husband for being home with the kids and wasn't contributing financially as much as he was.

I appreciate your posts so much - THANK YOU!!

 

[DAdvocate]

We also have a verified insider who said she was making good money from that "scheme" so the only sexist assumptions seem to be from those who think she was some sort of leech on her husband for being home with the kids and wasn't contributing financially as much as he was.

Just because she may have been making good money doesn’t mean they were paying the bills.

 

[MCDRAW]

I doubt he knows CW. He could be a troll, he could know CW or he might just have an opinion that is the opposite of 99% of people on here. I keep playing through scenarios in my mind where CW didn’t kill all of them and I think that’s because on SM and what people have said about him he seems a caring father and husband. I see more of him playing with the kids than SW.

I think some people just have to try and believe a normal loving family can have this happen to them, otherwise what’s to say it couldn’t be our own family?

I believe he did kill all 3 - I just don’t want to believe it, and perhaps DAadvocate feels the same. Then again perhaps he / she is just after attention....who knows

I don't think you can go by the videos to know who played with the kids more. SW may have been the one always videoing.

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread is closed for the night. Check back in the morning.

 

[Tricia]

Good Morning Friends,

This discussion is now open.
Be kind to each other please.
Take Care,
Tricia

 

[gitana1]

Colorado does 50/50 regardless of who is primary caretaker.

That is untrue. In CO, joint legal is standard. Joint physical - which is a legal term of art and isn't the same as parenting time- is also more likely than not.

But in a case of two small children with a mother who is more available due to her type of work as schedule and if that person was the primary caretaker during marriage (which it definitely appears to have been in this case), the mother is likely going to be deemed the primary custodial parent, will get vastly more parenting time and the other party is likely (depending on income) to pay more and/or receive less in support as a result of the unequal parenting time.

Joint custody does not mean 50/50. It means shared responsibility for decision making (joint legal) and/or shared parenting time (which is sometimes equal time but more often is not). People confuse that all the time:


"Typically, judges in Colorado order parents to share legal custody or have joint legal custody (called joint parental responsibilities). This means both parents share responsibility for the major life decisions for the child, such as health and educational decisions.

However, the 50/50 split of joint physical custody has at times been found difficult to implement, especially when the parents live in different states. Therefore, often one parent has the sole physical custody or primary parental responsibilities with the child, while the other parent has visitation or parenting time. But, the sharing of time with your child will be based on the unique circumstances or your case."
Colorado Child Custody Laws - FindLaw

 

[Madison418]

I haven't been on in a few days. Has anyone talked about the possibility that LE is extracting data from Alexa (if they had one)? Also, the doorbell camera, does it record data or is it just streaming? Does it have an audio feature? I'm just curious to see what was heard/recorded on those devices that night and when Shanann got home from her work trip.

 

[LAborn]

'Cause you know, folks always leave sweet sentiments to the person that killed their children and they just murdered because of that..

Pffft..another nail

Classic Scott Peterson messages.

 

[NuttMegg]

I have a theory about one of the triggers of CW's homicidal rage. (A contributing factor.) MOO.

SW appears to have been a very high-energy person. Go, go, go! Lists! Organization. Motivation.

CW was described as "shy Chris." I bet he was lower energy.

As a low energy person myself, I find it completely exhausting to be around high energy people. And it is frustrating, because maybe you just want to do a whole lot of nothing (like hanging out on websleuths for hours at a time, for instance). But the high-energy wants to get stuff done---like NOW! Not tomorrow, not in a few minutes, drop everything you are doing and help me with this _____. Or give the kids a bath. (And it's like, "ugh, I just sat down and I'm writing this comment, can't you just leave me alone for ... ten minutes?? (sigh) Yes, this is a message board. It's people talking about crimes.)

So CW was alone at home for five weeks. His wife would text him and give him lists to make sure he stayed on top of things, but he could ignore her texts pretty easily when she is 1500 miles away.

And he got used to it. And he liked it.

And then she came back.

And she started in, "why didn't you do this? and why didn't you do that? Why didn't you eat all the meals I made for you? I can see dust on top of the refrigerator? Did you take the dog to the vet like I asked Why is there beer in the fridge??" And she wanted him to do the stuff again. And he didn't want to do the stuff right then. And geez, can we give it a rest just for a FEW MINUTES?!?!?!???

So three days later she goes on another business trip. But she makes sure to leave him a very detailed list of the things she wanted him to do. And grrrrrr....

And pretty soon it's. . . . . "HERE'S JOHNNY!!!"

Especially if that 5 week perfect interlude included a nightly tryst with a "new" woman. Hey a guy could get used to this. Back to reality.....an energetic high achieving partner with a pregnant body and 2 kids who won't eat their breakfast. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.

 

[Harriet Vane]

I do think she posted that creepy pic to her FB page as a public awareness thing. Maybe she was starting to be wary of her husband before then. But if not, I think she was wary at that point. If you think about it, a mom probably wouldn’t really actually want to post a picture like that unless they thought it was funny...and then they would say “Wow, this is hilarious”. If they did not find it funny, they would probably find it embarrassing. “Gosh, I don’t want my friends to think I have a freaky family!” No, she posted and said she didn’t know what to think. She did joke about the girls doing it in the comments. But I think the dad did it and then told her the girls did it. And I think she knew something wasn’t right. And I think she posted it so that at least maybe her family would know something wasn’t right. And if you think about it, even CW’s dad knew something wasn’t right immediately.

Sorry, I can’t help bringing up the creepy pic again because it is literally one of the most chilling things I have seen on a social media page right before a killing. Seriously creepy.

BTW I heard from someone I know who was on a FB group with SW. It was a group for some kind of medical esophagal condition. One of the girls evidently had it. I’m not sure how high maintenance that particular medical condition is. I don’t think it’s too bad, but it does take a few specialist visits, I believe.

I think she did find it funny though. She followed the “don’t know what to think about this...” comment with a couple of crying laughing emojis, and like you say, she indicated in the comments that the girls had done it, saying “at least they had each other’s backs”