CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #12

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:cool:
He claims that he has been spoken to by LE, but we don't know if that is true. If it is, maybe LE have copied the texts and deleted them from his phone.
Just listened to it, hum
From what I’ve observed on other sites, it’s about 65/35, with the majority saying Male AP is making this story up for attention.

I think it’s plausible, but not terribly likely to be true.

so while I was typing my opinion earlier, I was on a conf call at the same time.... shhhh.
While it totally would not surprise me if one of CWs APs was of his gender (I already posted my opinion on this earlier, and I could very well be biased on it, who knows)... I don’t think it’s this dude that was on HLN tonight.
I just listened to it and IMO, this guy got in a SM trap conjured up by himself and makes no sense, nor did he sound, to me, the least bit believeable. But eh, what do I know :cool:
 
  • #762
Look, I don't know if you were really playing the devil's advocate game, as you suggested early on when you apologized for "ruffling feathers" or if you're just messing with us now, but I find your actions highly inappropriate and disrespectful. Not trying to be rude, just honest.

The problem is that you were so far "out there", using proof like "her eyes" and stuff for your "defense." There is a REAL conversation about his guilt (or lack thereof) to be had here. I usually hover on the fence myself until the trial rolls around. There is a slight chance(and when I say slight, I mean slenderman versus a sumo wrestler) that his story is true. Stranger things have happened. I truly DO believe in the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. Because of that, I think we truly could have had an intelligent conversation here about his defense and what "might" have occurred. I like playing devil's advocate as well and looking at things from both sides of the crime. I think we should all do that from time to time because things aren't always as they seem.

There's a way of doing that without being disrespectful, however. So many people got to where they were using the "ignore" button that it was becoming difficult to have a conversation with anyone. I, personally, got to the point where arguments were becoming so outlandish and backed by zero logic that I couldn't even seriously entertain the idea of him being anything but guilty-and that's not good. We really DO need to look not only at this case but ALL cases with unemotional eyes. (Which, I know, is nearly impossible to do when children's deaths are at hand.)

Boards where everyone agrees are boring because they become echo chambers. But unlike many crime TV shows out there, this isn't entertainment; these are real people's lives. :-( Real children died in this story-we're not going to see them next week on a CSI rerun.

I really want to be respectful of everyone's opinions and ideas. I'm not telling anyone how to post. If you're here for an actual dialoug about this case, though, IMO there's a certain amount of seriousness and respect that we have to pay not only each other but the actual victims and the peripheral victims themselves.

Fantastic post!!!!!!
 
  • #763
Yes. I’m a father of three girls and I could never imagine hurting them. I wanted to believe CW didn’t hurt them. But I can’t anymore.
But you were fine with her hurting them, in fact, you insisted on it.
 
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The only reason why I don't think this can be the case is, SW would have checked on the girls, as they slept. I know when I come home and my kids are asleep, I have never, not ever, not once, gone right to bed and not checked them, as in went into their rooms, looked at them asleep and THEN gone to bed..

That said, maybe not every one does that..it was late, she was tired and she was pregnant. But, I just still can't see her not looking in their rooms and they were gone or deceased then CW strangled her as she was confused from the sight of no girls in bed, or deceased girls in bed..(sorry for the TMI) its all so grim and unfathomable..
Jumping off your post and going with the theory CW killed the little ones well before SW arrived home, could he have laid them out on those bed sheets on the floor (which room, idk?) in preparation for disposal, and then, attacked and killed SW?

I'm thinking about past cases where children were found dead in their beds, there usually was a purpose, either staging the scene for an 'intruder story' or some other warped reason behind it.

I wonder if forensics can detect if the children's bodies lay in their beds for hours while CW waited for SW, whose plane was delayed? If so, and he did leave them in their beds for many hours, is this another way his' SW did it' will come undone, if the mattresses hold evidence? Did the cadaver dogs pick up a scent?

I hope everyone can get the gist of my point, I confuse myself sometimes where I'm going with this. :confused:
 
  • #770
I am glad you are now OK and can be somewhat philosophical about it. I think many woman struggle with the dr Jekyl/MrHyde aspects of the husband and it's human nature to say, oh he didn't mean it, look at how nice he was when we visited the family..on and on until one day you have to stand there and say "get out", or get murdered or maimed. For your own sanity, let those people who have to suck on someone...... suck on someone else. There will always be someone taken in.

What you said not only sent chills up my spine as well as brought back a LOT of bad memories...and this is 30 years now since this occurred.

Back story...within one year and a half I divorced, my beloved dad died; who had been seriously ill the last 5 years of his life who was basically my world, and I was stressed out working 3 pt jobs in order to go to school. It wass the lowest and most stressful time of my life. Several months after dad died I met a tall, strong, very handsome man who was well educated and a real "knight in shining armor". In fact, from the very beginning he referred to me as "his princess" to everyone he spoke to about me. From being at such a low ebb in my life I actually believed he was heaven sent from my dad to watch over me and love me. Funny how people do this after losing a very close loved one as I have heard the same from others who lost a beloved parent or grandparent they were extremely close to. During our first year or so together I was the happiest I had ever been in my life. My friends were all jealous of me and were always teasing me how they were going to "steal him away" from me. He treated me better then I had ever been treated before. Mind you when we first met I had told him all about my dad and our close relationship and how I felt this enormous void since he passed. So he already knew I was vulnerable. He empathized with me, brought me flowers every week, was incredibly nice to my mom and rest of my family. We never had an argument or cross words. It was too good to be true.

Call it the skeptic in me or gut feeling but when he proposed to me after a year and 3 months something told me not to accept. My friends thought I was crazy and I should snatch him up before someone else took him away. Something just wasn't right and I brushed it off by thinking I am recently divorced and it was not amicable and honeslty I was not in a rush to remarry. I was only 24 and had told myself I would not get married again until I was as certain as I could be that we were compatible and had the same vision for our future which is what went wrong in my marriage. Two people that just did not have the same vision or even views on life. Something that should have been discussed BEFORE marriage but I was only 18 and stupid. Anyway, wasn't ready to remarry. He seemed upset and wanted to know if I was unhappy with him. I did my best to assure him that it was me and I just wasn't ready. He pouted about it for a couple weeks always bring it up as if I would all of a sudden change my mind. I didn't.

So one day a friend came into town that I had not seen in a long time. We were very close friends in school and she asked me to meet her for a few drinks to catch up. We had already made plans to go out with a large group of friends so I asked him if he would mind if I skipped out and met my friend instead. He never met her but knew of her and how close we were. He said he didn't mind at all so I agreed to met my friend. The guy and I agreed we would meet up at his house afterwards.

I arrived back at his place about 2:00 am to find him in his room I THOUGHT sleeping. I quietly put on my pj's and went to bed. I almost had a heart attack because he started talking to me when I thought he had been sleeping. He made some comment like oh you are sneaking in so I won't hear you huh. I laughed thinking he was kidding and said yeah, damn you found me out or something along those lines. Within a second he pounced on me and held me down and started yelling at me. I was in total shock but being the person I was I told him to get off my right now. He flew into this incredible rage and literally tossed me across the room. He was 6" 6 and weighed 225. He was in great shape. I was 5" 7' and weighed about about 115. I just stood there starting at him. I could not believe this was the guy I had fallen so in love with. I just shook my head and told him he was nuts and I headed for the door. He just came right after me again shaking me. It went on like this for quite some time I could not break away from him. All the while this incredible anger and horrible words just flooded out of his mouth. He never once hit me but he held various parts of my body soooooooo hard that the next day I had bruises all over me. I looked HORRIBLE. I did get away and went home and I was FURIOUS.

I was so upset the next day I could not wait to get out of work to see him and give him a piece of my mind. STUPID because I had already decided it was OVER. I go to his house and he is sitting with his brother crying his eyes out. I walk in and ask if his brother could leave a moment so I could say some words and I would be leaving shortly. He does and I laid right into the guy telling him I don't know who the hell he thought he was, that NO ONE treats me like this and gets away with it blah blah blah. He is now hysterically crying. I turn around and leave to go home. Didn't see or talk to him for over a month. He shows up with flowers and weasel's his way in. I sat there and listened to his bs for awhile and he left. He always found reasons to be where I was and every time I saw him he was so sweet butter would melt in his mouth. I gave in and went back to him....I stayed with him until the day I came to see it was going to be he or I that ended up dead. I am a fiery woman and I don't take abuse lightly and anytime he drank too much he would get verbally abusive and I gave it back to him. For the next 8 months we were off and on. It finally ended one night I came home late from work...him drunk asleep on the couch. It was about 10:00 and I went to get a drink of water before going to bed and I see that there is a fire on the back porch. This numbskull had started the gas grill to cook a steak and he passed out. The grill was on fire. I attempted to wake him to take care of it and couldn't wake the jerk up. I was dead tired and I just could not deal with his crap for one more second. I literally grabbed my car keys, got in my car and started driving away down the street. Before I even got to the end I freaked out and said WTH am I doing. That grill is going to blow and he is going to end up dead. I actually thought to myself well then ALL this crap in my life will be over. I'll never have to deal with him again. THAT scared me more so I turned the car around and sped back to the house, ran out back, put the fire out as the neighbor is SCREAMING what the hell is going on over there. That shook me so much I knew I had to get out of this relationship and I did. I started moving my things back to my house the next day.

Moral of this story....I had a HUGE wake up call. It was no longer about his crazy a$$ I was so freaked out that I had actually started to drive away that night that I shudder to even think of it now. I realized I was starting to act like a nut case simply by remaining with this guy. From then on I said ok NO MORE MEN until I figure this out. I wanted to know what was wrong with ME that I would even stay one day with a maniac like him. Also the realization that me being around crazy had such an affect on me that I had done something myself SOOOOOOOO out of character chilled me to the bone.

For 3 years I dated NOBODY. This relationship had such a frightful impact on me that I no longer trusted my own judgement. The friend told about this, some having known me most of my life were horrified. More then one of them said OMG that is the Burning Bed story. I had never heard of it as it came out just around the time my dad died. Honestly it would never have been a movie I would have been interested in watching. After hearing about it I rented the DVD and totally lost it. I could understand where that women's mind was. That scared me more then that big 🤬🤬🤬 ape did. I actually went to counseling to help me through that time and read every book I could get my hands on regarding abuse and the affect it has on women. There is no doubt in my mind one of us would be dead. Him because I think it would have progressed to where he actually would begin to hit me instead of grabbing me and holding me down while he spewed his hatred for me out and me for reacting to his aggression towards me. I am a fighter that will defend myself against aggressive men (rape victim at 14 where I got severely beaten because I fought back) and there is no doubt in my mind if he ever hit me I would have attempted to hit him back and then it would be over.

Happy ending. I didn't get seriously involved with anyone for 11 years. I dated casually but refused to be vulnerable and "fall in love". Then I met my current husband. We dated for 3 years and he is so much like my dad that it is insane. My dad was a very gentle man, laughed easily and never had a bad word to say about anyone. He was very family oriented and he treated me like a princess. He was old school though in the sense men of old did not speak of their emotions, they were men that took care of their families by providing for them and seeing all their needs were taken care of. Nope, didn't say I love you in words only his actions which was fine with me. My hubby is very much like this, mellow, easy to laugh and super laid back. Been married for 22 years and life is peaceful. No fights, we see things the same way and we had a beautiful daughter together :) So for me it turned out well. Never since that night that I got in the car have I ever ever been in that mental state again. My mission became educating girls about warning signs with guys and never hesitate to listen to your gut. I worked an abuse hotline for a few years where I tried my hardest to help women already living in hell to understand there is a way out and life CAN go back to normal once out.

Sorry for the long post. I haven't actually thought about my own personal story in so long that I really had a need to purge it out of my system. Every time I follow one of these cases it does come back to me. I really am ok with it because it only makes me love my husband and family so much more and grateful to myself for taking that long time out after I got myself out of that relationship and put my head back on straight. Best gift I ever gave myself.
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So on that note...
I can’t wait for a Tricia or another Mod to tuck me in tonight, so I’m doing it myself.
Nite all, sweet dreams! :)
 
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So on that note...
I can’t wait for a Tricia or another Mod to tuck me in tonight, so I’m doing it myself.
Nite all, sweet dreams! :)
Good nite, CFlo ☺
 
  • #773
LOL I turn 35 around the 38 week mark and they said "pregnancy-geriatric" in front of my husband and he hasn't let me live it down since.

Omg, this kills me! I had my first at 22, second at 25, 3rd at 28. We are considering a 4th in a year or two and I am 33. Geriatric pregnancy? I really feel and look just as young as I did 5 years ago! Tell me this 35+ being "geriatric" isn't real!
 
  • #774
Sadly one of the most often people murdered in the USA; is a pregnant woman. Next is a woman during a separation or divorce. Unfortunately she was both
 
  • #775
Yes, this. Lips and around the mouth would be blue.


Also, I'm not sure about other families, but when my Grandbabies were under 2 years old, they kept the baby monitor on the crib or very close to their bed. When they were toddlers and up to 4 years old the monitor was moved to a dresser. Not up close like you need when their babies.

I just think the monitor had to be very close to their beds if CW claims to have SEEN a bluish color. Maybe they still kept the monitor very close up to the girls' beds? My Grandbabies monitor was a good one, but it wouldn't have picked up the blueish color unless it was very close.

Just some of my thoughts. Wondering how close the monitor was.
 
  • #776
What you said not only sent chills up my spine as well as brought back a LOT of bad memories...and this is 30 years now since this occurred.

Back story...within one year and a half I divorced, my beloved dad died; who had been seriously ill the last 5 years of his life who was basically my world, and I was stressed out working 3 pt jobs in order to go to school. It wass the lowest and most stressful time of my life. Several months after dad died I met a tall, strong, very handsome man who was well educated and a real "knight in shining armor". In fact, from the very beginning he referred to me as "his princess" to everyone he spoke to about me. From being at such a low ebb in my life I actually believed he was heaven sent from my dad to watch over me and love me. Funny how people do this after losing a very close loved one as I have heard the same from others who lost a beloved parent or grandparent they were extremely close to. During our first year or so together I was the happiest I had ever been in my life. My friends were all jealous of me and were always teasing me how they were going to "steal him away" from me. He treated me better then I had ever been treated before. Mind you when we first met I had told him all about my dad and our close relationship and how I felt this enormous void since he passed. So he already knew I was vulnerable. He empathized with me, brought me flowers every week, was incredibly nice to my mom and rest of my family. We never had an argument or cross words. It was too good to be true.

Call it the skeptic in me or gut feeling but when he proposed to me after a year and 3 months something told me not to accept. My friends thought I was crazy and I should snatch him up before someone else took him away. Something just wasn't right and I brushed it off by thinking I am recently divorced and it was not amicable and honeslty I was not in a rush to remarry. I was only 24 and had told myself I would not get married again until I was as certain as I could be that we were compatible and had the same vision for our future which is what went wrong in my marriage. Two people that just did not have the same vision or even views on life. Something that should have been discussed BEFORE marriage but I was only 18 and stupid. Anyway, wasn't ready to remarry. He seemed upset and wanted to know if I was unhappy with him. I did my best to assure him that it was me and I just wasn't ready. He pouted about it for a couple weeks always bring it up as if I would all of a sudden change my mind. I didn't.

So one day a friend came into town that I had not seen in a long time. We were very close friends in school and she asked me to meet her for a few drinks to catch up. We had already made plans to go out with a large group of friends so I asked him if he would mind if I skipped out and met my friend instead. He never met her but knew of her and how close we were. He said he didn't mind at all so I agreed to met my friend. The guy and I agreed we would meet up at his house afterwards.

I arrived back at his place about 2:00 am to find him in his room I THOUGHT sleeping. I quietly put on my pj's and went to bed. I almost had a heart attack because he started talking to me when I thought he had been sleeping. He made some comment like oh you are sneaking in so I won't hear you huh. I laughed thinking he was kidding and said yeah, damn you found me out or something along those lines. Within a second he pounced on me and held me down and started yelling at me. I was in total shock but being the person I was I told him to get off my right now. He flew into this incredible rage and literally tossed me across the room. He was 6" 6 and weighed 225. He was in great shape. I was 5" 7' and weighed about about 115. I just stood there starting at him. I could not believe this was the guy I had fallen so in love with. I just shook my head and told him he was nuts and I headed for the door. He just came right after me again shaking me. It went on like this for quite some time I could not break away from him. All the while this incredible anger and horrible words just flooded out of his mouth. He never once hit me but he held various parts of my body soooooooo hard that the next day I had bruises all over me. I looked HORRIBLE. I did get away and went home and I was FURIOUS.

I was so upset the next day I could not wait to get out of work to see him and give him a piece of my mind. STUPID because I had already decided it was OVER. I go to his house and he is sitting with his brother crying his eyes out. I walk in and ask if his brother could leave a moment so I could say some words and I would be leaving shortly. He does and I laid right into the guy telling him I don't know who the hell he thought he was, that NO ONE treats me like this and gets away with it blah blah blah. He is now hysterically crying. I turn around and leave to go home. Didn't see or talk to him for over a month. He shows up with flowers and weasel's his way in. I sat there and listened to his bs for awhile and he left. He always found reasons to be where I was and every time I saw him he was so sweet butter would melt in his mouth. I gave in and went back to him....I stayed with him until the day I came to see it was going to be he or I that ended up dead. I am a fiery woman and I don't take abuse lightly and anytime he drank too much he would get verbally abusive and I gave it back to him. For the next 8 months we were off and on. It finally ended one night I came home late from work...him drunk asleep on the couch. It was about 10:00 and I went to get a drink of water before going to bed and I see that there is a fire on the back porch. This numbskull had started the gas grill to cook a steak and he passed out. The grill was on fire. I attempted to wake him to take care of it and couldn't wake the jerk up. I was dead tired and I just could not deal with his crap for one more second. I literally grabbed my car keys, got in my car and started driving away down the street. Before I even got to the end I freaked out and said WTH am I doing. That grill is going to blow and he is going to end up dead. I actually thought to myself well then ALL this crap in my life will be over. I'll never have to deal with him again. THAT scared me more so I turned the car around and sped back to the house, ran out back, put the fire out as the neighbor is SCREAMING what the hell is going on over there. That shook me so much I knew I had to get out of this relationship and I did. I started moving my things back to my house the next day.

Moral of this story....I had a HUGE wake up call. It was no longer about his crazy a$$ I was so freaked out that I had actually started to drive away that night that I shudder to even think of it now. I realized I was starting to act like a nut case simply by remaining with this guy. From then on I said ok NO MORE MEN until I figure this out. I wanted to know what was wrong with ME that I would even stay one day with a maniac like him. Also the realization that me being around crazy had such an affect on me that I had done something myself SOOOOOOOO out of character chilled me to the bone.

For 3 years I dated NOBODY. This relationship had such a frightful impact on me that I no longer trusted my own judgement. The friend told about this, some having known me most of my life were horrified. More then one of them said OMG that is the Burning Bed story. I had never heard of it as it came out just around the time my dad died. Honestly it would never have been a movie I would have been interested in watching. After hearing about it I rented the DVD and totally lost it. I could understand where that women's mind was. That scared me more then that big 🤬🤬🤬 ape did. I actually went to counseling to help me through that time and read every book I could get my hands on regarding abuse and the affect it has on women. There is no doubt in my mind one of us would be dead. Him because I think it would have progressed to where he actually would begin to hit me instead of grabbing me and holding me down while he spewed his hatred for me out and me for reacting to his aggression towards me. I am a fighter that will defend myself against aggressive men (rape victim at 14 where I got severely beaten because I fought back) and there is no doubt in my mind if he ever hit me I would have attempted to hit him back and then it would be over.

Happy ending. I didn't get seriously involved with anyone for 11 years. I dated casually but refused to be vulnerable and "fall in love". Then I met my current husband. We dated for 3 years and he is so much like my dad that it is insane. My dad was a very gentle man, laughed easily and never had a bad word to say about anyone. He was very family oriented and he treated me like a princess. He was old school though in the sense men of old did not speak of their emotions, they were men that took care of their families by providing for them and seeing all their needs were taken care of. Nope, didn't say I love you in words only his actions which was fine with me. My hubby is very much like this, mellow, easy to laugh and super laid back. Been married for 22 years and life is peaceful. No fights, we see things the same way and we had a beautiful daughter together :) So for me it turned out well. Never since that night that I got in the car have I ever ever been in that mental state again. My mission became educating girls about warning signs with guys and never hesitate to listen to your gut. I worked an abuse hotline for a few years where I tried my hardest to help women already living in hell to understand there is a way out and life CAN go back to normal once out.

Sorry for the long post. I haven't actually thought about my own personal story in so long that I really had a need to purge it out of my system. Every time I follow one of these cases it does come back to me. I really am ok with it because it only makes me love my husband and family so much more and grateful to myself for taking that long time out after I got myself out of that relationship and put my head back on straight. Best gift I ever gave myself.
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I have a close friend going through almost this exact thing....even down to “Princess”.... :-( I think she is almost out of it though. I hope. She is trying to be, but he has a kind of a stalker side to him, so it’s still concerning me even though she moved away.

I’m so glad you had a happy ending!
 
  • #777
Omg, this kills me! I had my first at 22, second at 25, 3rd at 28. We are considering a 4th in a year or two and I am 33. Geriatric pregnancy? I really feel and look just as young as I did 5 years ago! Tell me this 35+ being "geriatric" isn't real!

Well, I have five kids already (this is #6 for us). I had my first five at 20, 22, 24, 26, and 28.

This pregnancy has been way harder, and I certainly feel geriatric in comparison to the five previous ones that I breezed right through! I was always low-risk, no issues, all easy labors and deliveries. This time around I had a subchorionic hemorrhage for the first 1.5 trimesters, I got diagnosed with diabetes at 11 weeks, I have sciatica that keeps me bound to my recliner for half of the day, and I can't wait for it to be over this time around. Hopefully if you go for another, it'll be easier for you than it's been so far for me! lol
 
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When I found my child, he was obviously dead. He was stiff, cold, covered in purple spots, stiff, and his eyes were frozen open. Even so, I still called 911 and did CPR until the paramedics arrived. When they left, I went with them. Since they were short a person, I had to help in the ambulance. They had me hold the tube after he was intubated. Though it was clear he'd been dead for sometime, I begged the doctors to help him. They hooked him up to every machine in the hospital. While we waited, lividity set in. I sat in the room with him for foyr hours, waiting for the coroner. During that time I stayed close to him, a wadded up tissue in my hand. Fluids were beginning to emerge and I wiped everything away. I couldn't stand to see blood on his little face.

As a parent you don't look at your unconscious kid and say, "Yep, dead." You pull out every piece of knowlegde you have and you try to save them until help arrives. I've yet to meet a child loss parent who didn't maintain hope. We're the last ones to give up.
I am very sorry for your loss, and ever thankful you shared a very personal example of just what is normal reaction from a parent. Peace..
 
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9 News:
Denver 7:
KDVR:

It continually creeps me out how damn upbeat he is in these clips . And, as I just zoomed in, seeing how EXCESSIVELY well groomed he is. I am no expert, but don't you have to meticulously shave to get all of those perfect lines?! After what he did, to groom himself and greet the media like that...it gives me such chills.
 
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