CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #12

[Hazelnutty]

Poor Shannan. Such a vibrant, beautiful , loving daughter, mom & sister. And her sweet babies! Celeste's smile ! Bella' s obvious shyness. They all loved CW. They relied on him& trusted him. There is absolutely no reason for this horrid man to get less than the DP.

Regardless, he'll be in prison for years. Eating, sleeping, breathing, living. Just so wrong.

 

[BingoBongo]

Male AP says he is "good friends" with JLR (Jonathan Lee Riches) on SM. So I think we can file this away as he's full of pewp.

He's playing a dangerous game.

 

[gitana1]

Exactly, any story he conjures up now will be met with skepticism. (Umm, but you originally said *this*, and then *this*, and then another *this* and we are supposed to believe you now?!)

The way I look at it, he has already planted enough seeds of doubt and weaved enough rope to hang himself .

Like Jodi arias.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

That video of her singing "my daddy is my hero" is too much to bear.

 

[EmilyVan]

A shallow magnitude 4.4 earthquake was reported Wednesday morning two miles from La Verne, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. The quake occurred at 7:33 p.m. Pacific time at a depth of 3.7 miles.
Earthquake: 4.4 quake strikes near La Verne
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We are due a big one in the near future. I can feel it.

OFF TOPIC:
and this is why there's a line to move out of that state (where I was born and raised so I can talk smack). Remember Northridge? Of course you do.

Get out or risk having ocean front property in the Mojave Desert. San Andreas Fault Line, I miss NEVER. (although I do remember wondering "was that a sonic boom or earthquake?" - I was in the AV)


ON TOPIC:
CW is a pathological liar. This newest AP to interview on HLN only further proves that point. AP alleges their affair ended MONTHS ago. So would he be brought to trial? I would guess "MAYBE". He could be considered too influential to the jury so I would imagine the defense would strongly advocate him against him as a witness in a trial. And I would have to agree.

MOOOoooo

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

'Absolutely No Evidence' Shan'ann Watts Killed Her Daughters: Police Source

A source close to the investigation tells PEOPLE that Chris’ alleged defense is not plausible.

“There is absolutely no evidence that she killed her children,” the source tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “None at all. And there is physical evidence to tie him to their murders. Strangulation is a very personal way to kill someone, with a lot of physical contact. Just based on the preliminary evidence, everything is consistent with him killing them all.”

 

[bears10]

It wouldn't be in Colorado. We already discussed Colorado is very much a 50/50 state even if with a stay at home mom he would still be granted 50% custody.

I don’t picture him even wanting 50% but that’s just my opinion. Fwiw, child support is meant to equalize the houses. so you don’t have Disney trips and fancy dinners at dads but share a studio apartment and eat soup at moms. 50/50 custody doesn’t equal no child support IME

 

[Yvettea]

'Absolutely No Evidence' Shan'ann Watts Killed Her Daughters: Police Source

A source close to the investigation tells PEOPLE that Chris’ alleged defense is not plausible.

“There is absolutely no evidence that she killed her children,” the source tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “None at all. And there is physical evidence to tie him to their murders. Strangulation is a very personal way to kill someone, with a lot of physical contact. Just based on the preliminary evidence, everything is consistent with him killing them all.”

Causes of death in the three killings have not been confirmed and police have not discussed a motive — though, in charging Chris with murder, they dismissed his account of what happened.

 

[Sulamith]

Kim Kardashian's butt...

Or maybe Nicki Minaj's butt!!!

 

[TeaTime]

Well, if he didn't have a homosexual lover before, he will now.

 

[kittycat3]

It’s always caught me as strange why she was going to the doctors for a baby related checkup with her friend and not her husband. Could she have found out about he affair and have been going to have an abortion. Maybe the emotional conversation at 2 or 4 or 5 am was along the lines of “I know you are having an affair and by the way I’m getting rid of the baby tomorrow” speculation / my opinion / thoughts only

Nope, no way no how. She had named this baby, she was all in with her 3rd child.

I think by the time you are on baby #3, you’ve got the routine down. Maybe he couldn’t get out of work or maybe if things were rough going between them she was acting more independently. Maybe Nicole offered to watch the kids during the appointment bc she wanted to help her friend in need.....not strange to me at all.

We could all use a friend like Nicole! What an angel.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Well, if he didn't have a homosexual lover before, he will now.

All the LOLs.

 

[Talisman]

He’s a sociopath, plain and simple. It is impossible for us to relate to his lack of emotion, because we are not like him (hopefully).
There are many more like him, although most don’t go on to commit murder.

I know, but it frightens the daylights out of me just the same.
We know they exist & live amongst us.
Almost like horror stories about vampires and werewolves... except sociopaths & psychopaths are real.

 

[cottonweaver]

Nope, no way no how. She had named this baby, she was all in with her 3rd child.

I think by the time you are on baby #3, you’ve got the routine down. Maybe he couldn’t get out of work or maybe if things were rough going between them she was acting more independently. Maybe Nicole offered to watch the kids during the appointment bc she wanted to help her friend in need.....not strange to me at all.

We could all use a friend like Nicole! What an angel.

Slightly at a tangent but I was just thinking of it when I saw your post here kitty
What's your view on wearing the patches during pregnancy? Would you do it?

 

[MassGuy]

'Absolutely No Evidence' Shan'ann Watts Killed Her Daughters: Police Source

A source close to the investigation tells PEOPLE that Chris’ alleged defense is not plausible.

“There is absolutely no evidence that she killed her children,” the source tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “None at all. And there is physical evidence to tie him to their murders. Strangulation is a very personal way to kill someone, with a lot of physical contact. Just based on the preliminary evidence, everything is consistent with him killing them all.”

It’s a shame that this article is even relevant, as this insane scenario doesn’t even deserve to be mentioned.

It’s such an absurd defense, and an absolutely vile one, in that it attempts to accuse and vilify an innocent murder victim. No jury will ever give this so much as a thought, nor should they.

 

[The Saint]

APOLOGY*****

I want to apologize to WS posters, Tricia, HillyBilly and other mods for causing such a ruckus the other night.

I haven’t been on WS for years and I have forgotten some of the rules or may not know changes that have taken place since last I posted on a case. I don’t recognize any posters from my old group. The formatting looks different and buttons are in different places.

The last thing I want to do is cause extra work for the mods and have one of my posts responsible for shutting down a thread.

If I, or someone else, does something against the rules, just let us know in a calm, non-accusatory, non-shaming or non-bitchy manner.

I will quickly try to remedy the situation. I couldn’t find the delete button to delete my post about guy who posted on Twitter. I was asked to supply a link and didn’t know Twitter was not allowed. Now I know. The guy looked somewhat normal on his FB page not like his Twitter avatar.

A crime is made up of Motive, Means, and Opportunity.

We know CW had the Opportunity.

CW had the Means. But until the autopsy report is released, we don’t know exactly how SW and the girls were murdered.

Understanding CW’s Motive is what interests me in terms of the stresses in their lives and whether he was having sex with multiple partners outside of his marriage.

I will be vigilant and not post rumors or other things that break the rules. We are all in different parts of the world in different time zones and it’s very irritating to have threads locked due to fighting, term violations or wade through pages and pages of posters hurling insults at each other.

The Saint...
Repents

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I know, but it frightens the daylights out of me just the same.
We know they exist & live amongst us.
Almost like horror stories about vampires and werewolves... except sociopaths & psychopaths are real.

Like bridge guy in Indiana and whoever killed Lyric and her cousin and the Ohio 8 murders, etc etc, all still out there loose just waiting to murder again.

 

[Talisman]

Like bridge guy in Indiana and whoever killed Lyric and her cousin and the Ohio 8 murders, etc etc, all still out there loose just waiting to murder again.

Right? And Abby & Libby. So many more.


Edited to add: saw the bridge guy reference after posting Abby & Libby's name. Sorry Saguaro.

 

[The Saint]

It's a troubling thought, but I wonder whether CW wanted SW to get pregnant
again because it was so dangerous to her health due to her lupus. Maybe he was hoping that the hi-risk pregnancy would kill her and he wouldn't have to kill her himself.

 

[RavenCC2020]

I have a close friend going through almost this exact thing....even down to “Princess”.... :-( I think she is almost out of it though. I hope. She is trying to be, but he has a kind of a stalker side to him, so it’s still concerning me even though she moved away.

I’m so glad you had a happy ending!

I gave the edited version of my story. I could go on much more but it still sickens me when I get too deep into remembering. Let me just say that it took me almost 2 more years to be finally "free" of him. These guys do NOT let you just walk away. He hounded me for those 2 years DESPITE the fact I had a restraining order on him. Unfortunately for me he was friends with the local cops who turned a blind eye as they did when he was frequently stopped drinking and driving. He never had one DUI which made me crazy as he was a menace on the road. Every year my mom went to FL to visit my some of my siblings and stayed down there all winter. One year she was away I decided to stay at her house just to get away from the constant phone calls. He called ALL night long and I had to go to work every day. So somehow he must have figured out where I was and showed up on a snowy night. It scared the HELL out of me when I saw his car. I shut the lights off and immediately called the police. I thought for sure they would arrest him because he was out of his jurisdiction (of friendly cops). He vehicle got stuck in the snow and he simply walked up to the back door and started pounding on it and yelling that he needed to talk to me. I didn't say a word and remained hidden and called the cops back to verify someone was on their way. Over the phone I DID tell the cops I had a restraining order against him. They said they are on their way. I finally yelled out the window that I had called police and they would be here any second. Wrong thing I guess because he put his fist through the window which sent me running down the hall to the room I was sleeping in and locked the door. Cops showed up. I peeped through the curtain and saw the cop talking to him. The cops goes into his car and comes out a bit later. I then see him shaking the abuser's hand!!! WTH Shortly thereafter another cop pulls up and together they are pushing his truck out of the snow and he drives off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was left standing there totally in shock. He called me as soon as he got home to tell me that I really didn't think they were going to arrest him did I and he laughed and hung up on me.

Several incidents after. He stalked me where I found notes on my car, flowers left inside my mailbox, a bottle of champaigne on our "anniversary" of the day we met. It was endless and I felt I was living in some alterate universe. Then one day he just stopped. No warning or words, just stopped. Didn't hear from him for a couple years and then out of the blue a phone call to tell me he no longer drank, got his act together and would I be interested in getting back together and giving it one more shot. Went on and on about his AA meetings and therapy sessions and how he know understood what his problem was blah blah.... I finally butted in and said I'm happy that you got your life back on track. I hope you are also happy for me that I am engaged and marrying soon. I had my friend and her husband over at the time and they were listening to the conversation because I put it on speaker. When I mentioned being engaged I motioned for my friend's husband to come over. I said to my abuser, here, congratulate my fiance, and my friend got on the phone and said yeah I'm a lucky man allright. Now listen up. You call my fiance again and I don't care how many judges or lawyers you know your @ss is mine and he slammed the phone down. NEVER once called me again although a few years back I ran into him at a restaurant. He said hi and I absolutely ignored him and kept walking.

So please, if you believe your friend's guy is the stalker type you probably are right. PLEASE keep you eye out for her and warn her to take all precautions possible. It really doesn't matter where you live or who you know. These guys are not deterred. Rejection just makes them indignent and MORE determined to have their way. I honestly never believed I would ever get him out of my life. My ex husband even threatened him a couple of times to stay away from me when I told him I needed him to keep my son with him for awhile. I was so petrified that to get back at me he would harm my son. I was lucky because my son never witnessed anything. He went with his dad every weekend and THAT was the time he pulled his crap. I think he knew if he did anything in front of my son I would never forgive him and he was right about that. My son lived with his dad for a year after the snowstorm incident because I realized LE was just NOT going to do anything with him. He was too connected. He worked for the government and knew too many people. I was so grateful when our state changed the laws that if you called the cops they HAD to act and an abuser has to be taken in if there is any evidence of violence. It was NOT that way when I was living through my ordeal.

If you think speaking with me would do your friend any good I am more then happy to email with her if by doing that it can help. Let me know. I don't know your friend but I worry for her as I do any woman in that position. I know how scary it can be and sometimes it takes talking one on one with someone who has lived through it all to really get the danger they are in and how it CAN end happily for them.