CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #13

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  • #201
IMO...
Speculation...
My own thoughts...
-I've felt all along that the confirmed affair was not the first one.
-I hadn't previously considered a homosexual or bisexual twist to the case, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility at all
So....
*If* CW had homosexual affairs, and THAT came to light, might it not be even more of a trigger for him?
Could it be that SW confronted him about this, and he was faced with not only losing his family but losing his "image" as a "man"? If he liked having his cake at home and also eating take out...and it was going to fall apart...? I could see a discovery like this being hard on a wife, especially one feeling vulnerable due to pregnancy. I could see this taking an emotional toll on the wife, manifesting in her not feeling well, as SW wasn't during her shirt trip. I could see this being a reason that a wife would feel that she was going to need a friend, as she texted NU/NA.
 
  • #202
I tend to doubt LE is involved because they’ve instructed all witnesses to stay away from the media.
Where was that stated. I know that her Thrive friends have said that.
 
  • #203
So I just realized something about CW's original story that SW must have left...

If the child safety latch was engaged at the front door and the garage keypad didn't work, she wouldn't have been able to leave the house on her own and close everything back up. Wonder if that's what blew his story apart, and made him change HIS story. Obviously we know she didn't leave on her own, but curious about the timing of his so called confession.


The scenario plays is that she latched up the house, and then walked out through the garage door, which he noted the garage door to the house to the garage is always unlocked. Because she like to walk out there. He said that in an interview. It's my understanding that the key code did not work, but the garage door openers that all of us have in our cars that are battery-powered did. That is my understanding and how this story works.
 
  • #204
So can that account, if it exists, be frozen so he can’t use the money for his defense?

Our VI stated that Shanann had an accountant for her business, and I would be willing to bet that her business account was separate from her/their personal bank account(s). JMO
 
  • #205
Thanks to all of you who helped me complete the first floor. Here is what I have.

FIRST FLOOR
  1. Shoes at the front door
  2. Door latch in place on front door
  3. Suitcase at bottom of the stairs
  4. Purse on the kitchen island
  5. Pillowcases and top sheet in kitchen trash can
  6. Car in the garage with car seats in place
  7. Outside garage keypad not working
  8. All doors and windows were locked
  9. Wallet and medications were in the home (exact location unknown)
  10. Keys were in the car 'I hope it's a boy for him': Pregnant wife, weeks before husband allegedly killed her
1-9 are all in the affidavit.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf
Luggage at the bottom of the stairs, her phone in the couch upstairs.....she came home tired. :(

Makes me sad to think about how she made it home in the wee hours of the morning after a delayed flight....and then...killed and buried by sunrise.

jmo
 
  • #206
So in thinking that the "mister" is fibbing and using information he harvested from social media, let's see just how easy that could be. Bear with me for the following. None of this is true, of course because I never met the man but let's use a hypothetical.

***

Chris and I met on Tindr. He said that he wasn't even sure why he signed up for Tindr, except that he was feeling unwanted and unloved. Then one afternoon, while his wife took the kids to the community pool, he decided to create an account.

We usually got together after he was finished with work for the day. Some days we'd hit the gym, because Chris said he was really focused and disciplined on his toning and muscle building, but sometimes we'd go back to his house. I knew that he was married, but he said that he and his wife were separated and that she'd taken the kids and moved back to North Carolina where they're both from. I believed him, of course, because she wasn't there. I was at his house several times and there were no signs that she'd been there recently. He wasn't wearing a wedding ring. He also said that she took a lot of the furnishings and stuff. I kind of felt sorry for him because the house felt so bare. Chris said he really missed his kids a lot, was thinking of flying over there to visit them. He said the evenings were particularly lonely because he was used to them barrel rushing him every time he walked through the front door but now the house is almost TOO quiet. He showed me the girls' baby monitors and said he keeps looking at them, hoping that he'd see the girls again. He had taken to doing early morning jogs with a friend of his because it helped easing the loneliness.

The first time he and I were intimate was actually at my place. He's got this amazing Metallica tattoo on his back, as well as a few others. He was really strong and buff. He says that he used to be heavier, but I have a hard time seeing that. His body looks great!

He said he'd like to have more kids, but that it was impossible since he and his wife hadn't been intimate in almost a year. He also said that because of her Lupus and fibro, she had a hard time conceiving and her pregnancies were high risk. He talked about how much he loved his kids-how he liked to swing them up on his shoulders, read to them, tie their shoes, etc. I could tell he missed them. He worried about them because one of his daughters, can't remember which one, has a very bad nut allergy. Not long after we started seeing each other, his separated wife called him. She was angry because she'd taken the kids to her in-laws' house and Chris' mother had apparently set some nuts out for the other guests. She was threatening to never take them back there again.

Chris said that it wasn't uncommon for her to lose her temper and take it out on people. He said that she'd always been the ambitious one and the passionate one but since starting this new business selling energy supplements, it was like she never slowed down or stopped.

One evening Chris gave me a necklace as a gift. He said he'd bought it when they were on a little vacation to San Diego. He'd originally bought it for his wife but then they separated. I was a little apprehensive, but I honestly feel like he was just being a nice guy. Chris doesn't wear jewelry. When we first got together, he'd had on a purple bracelet signifying his wife's struggle with Lupus. By our second or third date, however, I didn't see it again and he didn't mention it.

He spoke with me a lot about his wife's business. He said that he was starting to feel ignored and that she spent more time on her phone and computer with her "people", the promoters under her, that he rarely saw her anymore. In the beginning of their relationship, he chased after her but now he says he feel like he's still chasing her.

When we would go places, he mostly took his work truck. I did see his wife's Lexus, though. It was in the garage.

I did envy their house. It had 4 or 5 bedrooms and a really cute little loft upstairs between two of the bedrooms. He had this alarm system called "ring" so if I was there and the doorbell rang, he could look at his phone and see who it was. I wasn't worried about getting "caught" or anything but he's very polite and didn't want to take time away from me.

The kids did seem to leave a lot of toys behind. They had a bunch of board games, like Twister, and then some dolls and stuffed animals. One of their dolls was really big, about the size of a toddler. It was creepy looking.

We went out for dinner most nights but sometimes he grilled at home, either at my place or at his.

At one point Chris decided to fly out and visit his kids. He truly did miss them. I missed him while he was gone! Once in North Carolina, he took the kids down to Myrtle Beach for the day. He came back looking like he felt a LOT better. Temperament wise, one of his daughters was kind of quiet and low key while the other was really rambunctious. He said she was like a little hurricane.

I felt kind of bad for him because throughout his teen years and early adult years, he really wanted to work on a NASCAR pit crew. I think he may have gone to some kind of schooling for that, I don't know. His favorite subject in school was shop. Life just kind of got in the way, I guess. Then he got married and the oil job out here in Colorado offered him a good salary.

It sounded like his wife was a real piece of work, too. She was always super hard on him. She emasculated him and talked down to him in front of other people. Whenever they'd go to Thrive events, she'd be surrounded by all these people who just wanted to talk and hang out with her, but Chris said that nobody really noticed him so he just hung to the back. I think he said they went to New Orleans and San Diego. I can't remember where else.

When we first met, I cyberstalked him on Facebook, ha ha, but he mostly just had pictures showing his weight loss, things with his kids, and some bodybuilding tips and such. He deactivated his account not long after we started seeing each other. He said it was because his wife was stalking him on there. He didn't want her finding out about me and then stalking ME, too. He was very concerned about her mental state.

I had no idea that he and his wife were still together until I saw him on the news in those interviews. I was so mad! I still can't believe that he lied to me that whole time. He sent me a few texts telling me that he could explain, but I didn't respond. About a week after he was arrest, two detectives came to my house and visited me because they had his phone and could our communication.

***

Okay, now obviously I just made that all up. I was interested in seeing how much of a narrative I could piece together using her social media posts, interviews with people they knew, his Instagram and Twitter posts, and his interviews on the news.

***

It breaks down like this...

From her social media you could learn that she sold Thrive, Chris used to be heavier but he's now toned with muscles, that Bella (or CeCe?) was allergic to nuts and SW got into an argument with her mother-in-law about it, that they traveled to SD and NO, that he wore a purple Lupus bracelet, that he chased after her in the beginning, they have both Twister and dolls, SW and the kids went to North Carolina for 6 weeks and he visited during one of those weeks, their house is big but it's very clean and they don't seem to have a lot of stuff, he has a Metallica tattoo, there were always people around her when they were at Thrive events, their house was really clean with minimal furnishings and accessories, he drove a truck, she had a Lexus, and he played with the girls by putting them on his shoulders.

From interviews with people they knew you could learn that: He often went on morning jogs with his friend, he wanted to work on the NASCAR pit crew, the family visited Myrtle Beach while CW was there, SW had a hard time conceiving due to Lupus, SW would occasionally take the kids to the community swimming pool, and he liked to grill.

From HIS interviews you can gleam that: the house feels lonely and empty without the kids, they have baby monitors, the girls liked to run at him when he came home, no wedding ring, they have Ring, she referred to her friends (or downline?) as "my people", and one of the girls was calm while the other was more high energy.

Take ALL those little tidbits of info, put them together in a narrative, and then make up a bunch of things that aren't true but sound like they COULD be to fill in the holes and I think you'd probably be able to convince at least a few people that you really knew him and had an affair with him. (You all KNOW that I don't actually believe some of the things I wrote, right? I was just trying to come at it from his perspective and wondering what lies he might tell about his wife, his explanations for certain things-like her being gone for 6 weeks, etc.)

That's how people can insert themselves into a crime without knowing any of the key players. Hang around their SM accounts, listen to all the interviews, play the videos, etc. and you can put together a pretty good picture.

I am trusting that the news channel actually did examine the guy's "receipts" closely. I'm not saying that this guy is lying or anything, just saying that it IS possible to fabricate such a thing and pepper it with enough facts to where it doesn't sound fabricated at all. It's a scary world out there, man.
 
  • #207
Luggage at the bottom of the stairs, her phone in the couch upstairs.....she came home tired. :(

Makes me sad to think about how she made it home in the wee hours of the morning after a delayed flight....and then...killed and buried by sunrise.

jmo
Did NU say whether SW went in through the front door or the garage? I assumed she went in the front door and did the latch behind her after she walked in, then put down luggage and purse.
 
  • #208
Thanks to all of you who helped me complete the first floor. Here is what I have.

FIRST FLOOR
  1. Shoes at the front door
  2. Door latch in place on front door
  3. Suitcase at bottom of the stairs
  4. Purse on the kitchen island
  5. Pillowcases and top sheet in kitchen trash can
  6. Car in the garage with car seats in place
  7. Outside garage keypad not working
  8. All doors and windows were locked
  9. Wallet and medications were in the home (exact location unknown)
  10. Keys were in the car 'I hope it's a boy for him': Pregnant wife, weeks before husband allegedly killed her
1-9 are all in the affidavit.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

View attachment 144468

Thanks for reposting that. It's good to be able to reread that affidavit every once in awhile.
 
  • #209
Where was that stated. I know that her Thrive friends have said that.
I found it on one of the friends’s who did a media interview FB page. I don’t dare post a link, but it was posted with a bold red background and bold white type.
 
  • #210
@Hazelnutty

Quoting myself to add link because I mis-remembered apparently. I found an ABC article that states the keys were in the car, so that's where I am adding them on my floor plan.

'I hope it's a boy for him': Pregnant wife, weeks before husband allegedly killed her
When they found Watts' purse and cell phone inside the house and her keys inside her car in the garage, Atkinson became even more alarmed.
Good deal. How do you find things so quickly? I'm thinking CW used the car last for the birthday party , as to not have to transfer two carseats.
 
  • #211
You need a big round of applause for that @mtnlites.
 
  • #212
So can that account, if it exists, be frozen so he can’t use the money for his defense?
I think it would depend on the ownership of the account. If she is the only one on the account, then it would go to her estate and he would not have access (at this point, at least). That's JMO, though. Someone else may have a more precise answer.
 
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  • #213
So in thinking that the "mister" is fibbing and using information he harvested from social media, let's see just how easy that could be. Bear with me for the following. None of this is true, of course because I never met the man but let's use a hypothetical.

***

Chris and I met on Tindr. He said that he wasn't even sure why he signed up for Tindr, except that he was feeling unwanted and unloved. Then one afternoon, while his wife took the kids to the community pool, he decided to create an account.

We usually got together after he was finished with work for the day. Some days we'd hit the gym, because Chris said he was really focused and disciplined on his toning and muscle building, but sometimes we'd go back to his house. I knew that he was married, but he said that he and his wife were separated and that she'd taken the kids and moved back to North Carolina where they're both from. I believed him, of course, because she wasn't there. I was at his house several times and there were no signs that she'd been there recently. He wasn't wearing a wedding ring. He also said that she took a lot of the furnishings and stuff. I kind of felt sorry for him because the house felt so bare. Chris said he really missed his kids a lot, was thinking of flying over there to visit them. He said the evenings were particularly lonely because he was used to them barrel rushing him every time he walked through the front door but now the house is almost TOO quiet. He showed me the girls' baby monitors and said he keeps looking at them, hoping that he'd see the girls again. He had taken to doing early morning jogs with a friend of his because it helped easing the loneliness.

The first time he and I were intimate was actually at my place. He's got this amazing Metallica tattoo on his back, as well as a few others. He was really strong and buff. He says that he used to be heavier, but I have a hard time seeing that. His body looks great!

He said he'd like to have more kids, but that it was impossible since he and his wife hadn't been intimate in almost a year. He also said that because of her Lupus and fibro, she had a hard time conceiving and her pregnancies were high risk. He talked about how much he loved his kids-how he liked to swing them up on his shoulders, read to them, tie their shoes, etc. I could tell he missed them. He worried about them because one of his daughters, can't remember which one, has a very bad nut allergy. Not long after we started seeing each other, his separated wife called him. She was angry because she'd taken the kids to her in-laws' house and Chris' mother had apparently set some nuts out for the other guests. She was threatening to never take them back there again.

Chris said that it wasn't uncommon for her to lose her temper and take it out on people. He said that she'd always been the ambitious one and the passionate one but since starting this new business selling energy supplements, it was like she never slowed down or stopped.

One evening Chris gave me a necklace as a gift. He said he'd bought it when they were on a little vacation to San Diego. He'd originally bought it for his wife but then they separated. I was a little apprehensive, but I honestly feel like he was just being a nice guy. Chris doesn't wear jewelry. When we first got together, he'd had on a purple bracelet signifying his wife's struggle with Lupus. By our second or third date, however, I didn't see it again and he didn't mention it.

He spoke with me a lot about his wife's business. He said that he was starting to feel ignored and that she spent more time on her phone and computer with her "people", the promoters under her, that he rarely saw her anymore. In the beginning of their relationship, he chased after her but now he says he feel like he's still chasing her.

When we would go places, he mostly took his work truck. I did see his wife's Lexus, though. It was in the garage.

I did envy their house. It had 4 or 5 bedrooms and a really cute little loft upstairs between two of the bedrooms. He had this alarm system called "ring" so if I was there and the doorbell rang, he could look at his phone and see who it was. I wasn't worried about getting "caught" or anything but he's very polite and didn't want to take time away from me.

The kids did seem to leave a lot of toys behind. They had a bunch of board games, like Twister, and then some dolls and stuffed animals. One of their dolls was really big, about the size of a toddler. It was creepy looking.

We went out for dinner most nights but sometimes he grilled at home, either at my place or at his.

At one point Chris decided to fly out and visit his kids. He truly did miss them. I missed him while he was gone! Once in North Carolina, he took the kids down to Myrtle Beach for the day. He came back looking like he felt a LOT better. Temperament wise, one of his daughters was kind of quiet and low key while the other was really rambunctious. He said she was like a little hurricane.

I felt kind of bad for him because throughout his teen years and early adult years, he really wanted to work on a NASCAR pit crew. I think he may have gone to some kind of schooling for that, I don't know. His favorite subject in school was shop. Life just kind of got in the way, I guess. Then he got married and the oil job out here in Colorado offered him a good salary.

It sounded like his wife was a real piece of work, too. She was always super hard on him. She emasculated him and talked down to him in front of other people. Whenever they'd go to Thrive events, she'd be surrounded by all these people who just wanted to talk and hang out with her, but Chris said that nobody really noticed him so he just hung to the back. I think he said they went to New Orleans and San Diego. I can't remember where else.

When we first met, I cyberstalked him on Facebook, ha ha, but he mostly just had pictures showing his weight loss, things with his kids, and some bodybuilding tips and such. He deactivated his account not long after we started seeing each other. He said it was because his wife was stalking him on there. He didn't want her finding out about me and then stalking ME, too. He was very concerned about her mental state.

I had no idea that he and his wife were still together until I saw him on the news in those interviews. I was so mad! I still can't believe that he lied to me that whole time. He sent me a few texts telling me that he could explain, but I didn't respond. About a week after he was arrest, two detectives came to my house and visited me because they had his phone and could our communication.

***

Okay, now obviously I just made that all up. I was interested in seeing how much of a narrative I could piece together using her social media posts, interviews with people they knew, his Instagram and Twitter posts, and his interviews on the news.

***

It breaks down like this...

From her social media you could learn that she sold Thrive, Chris used to be heavier but he's now toned with muscles, that Bella (or CeCe?) was allergic to nuts and SW got into an argument with her mother-in-law about it, that they traveled to SD and NO, that he wore a purple Lupus bracelet, that he chased after her in the beginning, they have both Twister and dolls, SW and the kids went to North Carolina for 6 weeks and he visited during one of those weeks, their house is big but it's very clean and they don't seem to have a lot of stuff, he has a Metallica tattoo, there were always people around her when they were at Thrive events, their house was really clean with minimal furnishings and accessories, he drove a truck, she had a Lexus, and he played with the girls by putting them on his shoulders.

From interviews with people they knew you could learn that: He often went on morning jogs with his friend, he wanted to work on the NASCAR pit crew, the family visited Myrtle Beach while CW was there, SW had a hard time conceiving due to Lupus, SW would occasionally take the kids to the community swimming pool, and he liked to grill.

From HIS interviews you can gleam that: the house feels lonely and empty without the kids, they have baby monitors, the girls liked to run at him when he came home, no wedding ring, they have Ring, she referred to her friends (or downline?) as "my people", and one of the girls was calm while the other was more high energy.

Take ALL those little tidbits of info, put them together in a narrative, and then make up a bunch of things that aren't true but sound like they COULD be to fill in the holes and I think you'd probably be able to convince at least a few people that you really knew him and had an affair with him. (You all KNOW that I don't actually believe some of the things I wrote, right? I was just trying to come at it from his perspective and wondering what lies he might tell about his wife, his explanations for certain things-like her being gone for 6 weeks, etc.)

That's how people can insert themselves into a crime without knowing any of the key players. Hang around their SM accounts, listen to all the interviews, play the videos, etc. and you can put together a pretty good picture

Sniffed for brevity.

It is a scary and very strange world out there and a few look at the dark side of social media.... you realize that there are a lot of mentally and emotionally disturbed people out there who will go to Great Lengths to insert themselves into "famous situations"..

There are sites out there, in the dark web, that most of us never see. But if you go looking for it you'll see exactly how many seriously disturbed people there are in the world... and a lot of them seem to be drawn to social media.

If this guy's story is true it won't take much to prove it, but at this point I seriously have my doubts.
 
  • #214
Luggage at the bottom of the stairs, her phone in the couch upstairs.....she came home tired. :(

Makes me sad to think about how she made it home in the wee hours of the morning after a delayed flight....and then...killed and buried by sunrise.

jmo
:(
 
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I found it on one of the friends’s who did a media interview FB page. I don’t dare post a link, but it was posted with a bold red background and bold white type.
Then why did the friend do a media interview if LE had told her not to?
 
  • #217

From the last thread.. a screenshot on the closure on the front door. I always wondered what that was like. I've never seen that inside of a house and it is like a hotel closure. I wonder if the other homes have that. But that is why the door opened so little.
The "hotel like" inside latch is an add, installed on to the door frame and sold at any hardware store. They likely installed for child safety. Girls were at that age that they would probably compete to answer the door. (Similar to the child latch for cupboards)..
 
  • #218
Sniffed for brevity.

It is a scary and very strange world out there and a few look at the dark side of social media.... you realize that there are a lot of mentally and emotionally disturbed people out there who will go to Great Lengths to insert themselves into "famous situations"..

There are sites out there, in the dark web, that most of us never see. But if you go looking for it you'll see exactly how many seriously disturbed people there are in the world... and a lot of them seem to be drawn to social media.

If this guy's story is true it won't take much to prove it, but at this point I seriously have my doubts.

I've played around a bit on the dark web. It's an interesting place for sure. I don't know how I feel about this guy. I think it's totally plausible but something in my hinky meter is also going off. Eh, it wouldn't surprise me either way. Either he's telling the truth or he's not; it will all come out eventually. (Seriously no pun intended.)
 
  • #219
Then why did the friend do a media interview if LE had told her not to?
She did the interview immediately after C.W. was arrested. I assume that was before LE told them not to.
 
  • #220
She did the interview immediately after C.W. was arrested. I assume that was before LE told them not to.
She had already been in contact at that stage though. I really don't think it came from LE.
Her family asked people not to and the Thrive friends asked each other not to.
For totally different reasons.
 
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