CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #13

[Layla123]

I just deleted cuz I thought someone else was answering. IMO AB was insinuating that there could be a lot of names under that redaction, she kept repeating 4 lines, 4 lines. She was saying it's not usual for the defense to redact. The guy she was interviewing said no not too unusual, it could be someone the defense ultimately wants to call as a witness. This AB show is nearly too much for me, that dress was making me seasick (her BW stripes) and she repeats all the time.

What I did get out of it was last night’s caller ( CW’s alleged ex boyfriend) was about to be interviewed by the FBI, 15 minutes from when I heard it, about an hour ago.

 

[BetzC]

In the youtube video posted on the last thread where she is talking in her house about how happy she is with her job, there is a blip of CW playing with the kids on the floor.

What struck me is it seemed like the house was so empty that it echoed, Is that the way it is in these big houses?

Sometimes people buy large homes and then cannot afford to furnish them. You need a lot to fill 4,000+ sq ft. That, along with a lot of hard surfaces and vaulted ceilings create that echo and empty, cavernous feel.

 

[NuttMegg]

OMG I want to jump through the tv and tape her mouth shut.
I turned it off, AB was making ME homicidal!

I’m staying with my 1st assessment; All these people coming forward with their “revelations” are attention seeking trolls until & IF I hear differently from LE.

I just can’t waste anymore time, energy or breath on them. Especially since it seems they’re trying to now tarnish the memory of a woman who’s not here to defend herself anymore.
I think, unfortunately, some posters here are coming close to blaming SM for their financial issues and somehow rationalizing her murder.
I’m taking a break from here.... it’s making me too sad.

She keeps saying OMG that is SO SAD when the girls were on the bed with Chris singing Christmas carols. SO SAD. So she says OK let's watch it again.

 

[Layla123]

Someone on WS has it unredacted? But how?

It’s a few pages back. Corrupted1967 wrote it.

 

[NCTeacher]

As for clothing, I have over 300 dressy tops in my closet, quite a few with tags. I definitely don't have a PD, I just love cute clothes.

 

[Layla123]

OMG I want to jump through the tv and tape her mouth shut.
I turned it off, AB was making ME homicidal!

I’m staying with my 1st assessment; All these people coming forward with their “revelations” are attention seeking trolls until & IF I hear differently from LE.

I just can’t waste anymore time, energy or breath on them. Especially since it seems they’re trying to now tarnish the memory of a woman who’s not here to defend herself anymore.
I think, unfortunately, some posters here are coming close to blaming SM for their financial issues and somehow rationalizing her murder.
I’m taking a break from here.... it’s making me too sad.

Made me miss Nancy Grace. Wish she’d come out of retirement for this case.

 

[PommyMommy]

But they interviewed the neighbor, that had the birthday party for his 5 yr old son. He pointed down the street, and indicated that he just lived down the block. And the kids played together in the neighborhood.

So I don't think CW even drove to the party. I'd think they just walked down the street and back.

Thanks for pointing that out. I should probably re-visit that video because I barely remember it.

 

[Bill Carson]

Testosterone therapy leading to sex trafficking might be the most ridiculous defense I have ever seen.

It's more of a mitigating factor than a defense. Besides, doctors are getting rich pushing hormone supplementation and downplaying the side effects. It certainly might cause hypersexualtiy and anger outbursts.

 

[mtnlites]

So now when I thought the thread was finally calming down fromdisgusting and baseless allegations like "she killed her kids because her eyes look crazy", now we are going to: She had a major, intensively horrible personality disorder because she has a lot of product and/or clothes in her closet?

Wth is happening here?

Its baseless and thus victim bashing IMO.

Borderline personality disorder is no joke. It is characterized by a pervasive inability to function in the world and have normal relationships with anyone. Characteristics include:

1. Fear of abandonment
2. Insecure identity.
3. Intensive and disruptive interpersonal relationships
4. Impulsivity including drug and alcohol abuse, promiscuity, gambling, spending.
5. Suicidal ideation/gestures/self harm
6. Emotional lability/mood instability. Can't self regulate emotion. Over sensitive.
7. Chronic feelings of emptiness
8. Intensive displays of rage
9. Paranoia/intensive and/or disassociation. Seems like psychosis. Breaks off from reality.

A lot of Lululemon in someone's closet just means she got snookered into another MLM that has "sales people" spend their own money on inventory they never can hope to actually sell.

You know I'm sure SW was not a perfect person. Few (except my mother) are. She surely had flaws. Maybe tried to portray perfection too much. I don't know.

But it seems nasty and ugly to make baseless allegations against her. For what purpose? Is the inference that his ridiculous story may be true? Or is it that she asked for it?

Gosh I don't like this.

She was innocent. No matter what imperfections she had she did not do anything to merit being murdered.

I could understand if people were discussing the possible pressures in the marriage. Or even whether there were any signs that one could look to to possibly state she may have had psych issues, if exploring the validity of CW's ridiculous story.

But to simply make an allegation like that as if it's fact? Based on a closet?

Wth?

<modsnip: discussin private messaging>

Was SW a perfect person? Of course not. I can't guarantee that she and I would have even gotten along. However, she was still a victim. I don't have to like someone to still be able to stand up for them. Watching her get labeled with personality disorders and mental illness, accusing her of being a liar and having abandonment issues-ALL based upon a few social media posts is disheartening. (Not to mention the insinuation that she lied about her lupus, which was an argument on here several threads back, too.)

Would it be appropriate to look at Bella and Cece and say, "There are blocks on the floor and they're not picking them up. They must have ADHD and Oppositional Defiance Disorder"? No.

We can get a feel for her on her pages, but that's it. No matter how many interviews we read and how often we check out her profile, we don't actually know her.

The "devil's advocate" in me also wants to ask, if true, does it matter? If we did learn that she was depressed or had BPD would that make her less of a victim? Would that make her daughters and son less?

 

[Layla123]

At least NG's face moves. The only part of ABs face that moves is that left part of her mouth when she sneers. It's my own fault for watching it.

We need an LOL option here!

 

[Bill Carson]

In the youtube video posted on the last thread where she is talking in her house about how happy she is with her job, there is a blip of CW playing with the kids on the floor.

What struck me is it seemed like the house was so empty that it echoed, Is that the way it is in these big houses?

It does seem unusual that the house was so sparsely furnished. No clutter on any surface as far as I can tell. Kudos to SW on her housekeeping skills. Or CW's.

 

[cbs]

Great find! Also interesting to note: I believe they had a basement as well. IIRC the affidavit mentioned being called to a THREE story house. The deck in pictures looks high enough off the ground.

Yes. SW talked about her massive amount of Christmas decor she had in her basement.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks for pointing that out. I should probably re-visit that video because I barely remember it.

I need to revisit it too. That's my memory of it, but I may be wrong. I got the distinct feeling like he was a close neighbor, that came to the home to see the commotion, and was then interviewed on the spot.

 

[NuttMegg]

It does seem unusual that the house was so sparsely furnished. No clutter on any surface as far as I can tell. Kudos to SW on her housekeeping skills. Or CW's.

With a house like that you need a bunch of huge ficus trees.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Beginning to look like anyone who had sexy time with CW or any of CW's sexy time partners or any of the partners partners or spouses is shrinking down into their shoes & wishing they could disappear. Imagine the partners or spouses who have to find out their partner was having sexy time with this monster. (CW)

"Honey, have something to tell you...."

 

[NuttMegg]

Beginning to look like anyone who had sexy time with CW or any of CW's sexy time partners or any of the partners partners or spouses is shrinking down into their shoes & wishing they could disappear. Imagine the partners or spouses who have to find out their partner was having sexy time with this monster. (CW)

"Honey, have something to tell you...."

What a nightmare. The response is...uh, did you use....

 

[KALI]

She is on it. Google for her podcasts

Made me miss Nancy Grace. Wish she’d come out of retirement for this case.

 

[cottonweaver]

Beginning to look like anyone who had sexy time with CW or any of CW's sexy time partners or any of the partners partners or spouses is shrinking down into their shoes & wishing they could disappear. Imagine the partners or spouses who have to find out their partner was having sexy time with this monster. (CW)

"Honey, have something to tell you...."

Eww. Doesn't bear thinking about does it.
I'm wondering what co-worker AP is thinking about this latest development, even though it's not verified at the moment.

 

[Shahana]

I think she saw something on his phone and was going to reveal all, that may have been enough for him to react. Especially where the parents of CW and his bosses were concerned...Every action has a reaction, the result we all know about was possibly CW reaction to SW action... Or threatened action. IMO. She was going to blow the whistle.

 

[molly1255]

I can’t even speculate! AB keeps repeating, “But 4 lines! That’s more than a name and address!” I’m thinking Corrupted1967 should email her unredacted warrant to Ashleigh Banfield! It would make her day, and we could find out.

I would love to know, too! I can understand redacting the name or any other information that might identify the AP, but there is something more in there, IMO.