CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #13

[gitana1]

Knowledgeable and well-spoken expert in the field. Have learned a lot from just watching her vids.

Yeah one of you all turned me on to her.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I think that is the understatement of the year in regards to her misreading his personality. For someone like me and I am going to guess SW as well as nothing has been written about either of her parents being abusive, these traits are absolutely foreign to you. Never met them and wouldn't recognize them if you had in fact. All she has to judge CW on would be her experiences in her life and any gut feelings she may have had about him. In hindsight had she been allowed the luxury of living (sarc) and we asked her if there any signs something was not right with him, she would be able to give us a laundry list of habits, occurences etc which in and of their own mean nothing but taken as a whole would have painted a clearer picture of who he was.

Something I was struck by when listening to her testimonial when considering her chose of words, observing her overall demeanor and body language I came away with a strong impression of how simple she really was. I don't mean that as insult as in simple minded rather, uncomplicated and very easily read. To me anyway. I believe she was a very sincere woman and after viewing her tape saw the very real and vulnerable side of her. Whereas in the short snippets of tape she sounded like a very confident young woman after being able to watch 30 consecutive minutes of her unrehearsed speech, I saw other aspects of her not readily available in the short clips.

I was able to feel the tension she had in her life as well as possible fear in her voice and body language. She was not as nonchalant as I previously believed. Her sensitivity and gentleness came through very clearly. In her attempt to convince others of how to gain control of one's life I shook my head that she actually went outside to say her current chain of thought out loud. Prior to it she had touched on negativity but didn't really elaborate too much on it. When she whisked out to her back deck she revealed what I believe to be a very real aspect of her own life not only that day but MANY days in recent years. She discusses how one needs to tune out the negative aspects or NEGATIVE PEOPLE in their life and despite their words basically soldier on and move forward confident in your path. I can't recall verbatim how she said this all but at one point she even appears to want to say that she is feeling the same with CW but decides not to. I still need to watch it again but it did stand out to me right away. It was also VERY familiar to me to have to leave the room to discuss something honestly and openly which applies to your own partner. Something tells me more then once she accused him of being a very negative person and it was a real trigger for him, so much so she felt she needed to live his immediate vacinity to keep him from hearing her even say the word.

So yes, there is imo some factual fluffery SW used in her posts that on the surface may have appeared to be outright lies if you believe as I do that CW is a negative and narcissistic person. However, I do not take it as an outright lie used to intentionally mislead people or even to inflect some false image of her perfect life, rather I see it as SW using the fluffery to once again stroke CW's very fragile ego by not stating the fact that she lived with the most negative person YET I MANAGE to have come this far. If I can you can. I think the girl is real and VERY open about who she is and does not fear showing her own imperfections but clearly has made a habit of making a conscious effort to protect her narcississtic husband's over inflated ego which is easily damaged. Big difference and is also indicative of a person who is very thoughtful and caring towards OTHER people who have NOT been so open about their weaknesses and faults rather choosing to mislead people about who they really are. Ya know like all their friends thinking he was a nice guy just quiet. Yep, I'm sure he was around THEM.

As I said earlier when I saw his mugshot. I literally said outloud "well Hello there Chris" because the mask was finally off for all to see his true self. Finally we were introduced to the angry, unhappy, negative individual that is actually quite menacing looking for a punk @ss. The very face he hid from everyone else. SW saw that face long before he killed her I will bet money on that. She went outside to finish her video to make sure she didn't say anything in earshot that would provoke a situation where she would once again see that face in HER face.

You could be right, but I have to ask, have you ever watched any other MLM videos/testimonials?

 

[NCTeacher]

It's on Amazon's baby registry...

"Check out my Amazon Baby Registry!"
Amazon: Baby Registry

Her baby's due date was the same as my middle son's was.

 

[BingoBongo]

And I think that that is why so many are quick to victim blame. They can remove that threat from themselves because they would do nothing to cause it.

There is always a strong need to understand what happened, and most importantly, distance. It's too frightening to believe that we may have someone in our lives who could commit a horrific crime.

My moto used to be like Reagans, "trust but verify". Now it's more "I own an AR-15 so don't screw with me".

 

[NCTeacher]

He reminds me more of RH than he reminds me of Drew Peterson. Or do I mean Scott? Dammit, I can never remember which is which.

Scott= attractive
Drew= yuck

And if CW acts like RH did in the courtroom, I really might break my computer this time.

 

[pocketaccent]

I totally feel you, I was obsessed. I live in Marietta, GA, 15 minutes from where it all went down. I eat at that Chick-fil-A once a week. I have several friends who work at that Home Depot corporate office. I will never, ever forget it.

Does CW give you a Ross Harris vibe at all? With the double life and all. I feel they are eerily similar.

Wow, it does. RH was bi-sexual too, wasn't he?

(I remember your dedication all throughout trial, NCteacher)

 

[Deleted member 117120]

We don't know what NU-A was told by SW on that final trip to Arizona so it is hard to speculate whether SW discovered the homosexual activity that weekend trip or that morning she died.

How would SW have found out about the affair whether male or female or both? When would she have found out? I can't imagine CW leaving his phone on the kitchen counter for when she arrived back at 1:48 am and he likely had it password protected.

I do see CW losing control if he was discovered by SW to have been having a homosexual affair because CW seems to me to be over compensating and living a secret while hiding his sexual identity. CW is a nerd at the core, with low self esteem and having an alpha wife which is no disrespect to SW but may have been impossible for CW to deal with. It probably emasculated him having such an outgoing and driven wife whereas he was so sexually conflicted internally, anti social and living his SW's shadow.

 

[Sleutherfly]

Taint the jury pool?

This is a high profile case, finding a jury is going to be hella hard no matter what. That's why LE is being very quiet. This will also cost CO a pretty penny. I live in AZ and the money spent on the Arias trial is still a sore subject.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

The picture of SW in AZ having dinner with her friends...I don’t know why, maybe because she was feeling sick, but she looks sad.

I agree she does look sad and defeated somehow.

 

[bears10]

This guy is from Wyoming. I’m not buying his story. JMO

 

[Jennifer17]

This guy is from Wyoming. I’m not buying his story. JMO

Apparently lived in CO though.

 

[Mrspratcher]

I agree she does look sad and defeated somehow.

Yes, I don’t know why, but that image is stuck in my head. Maybe it’s because I know it’s one of, if not, the last picture she ever took. Or maybe she sensed something was wrong back at home.

 

[Inthedetails]

As more and more stuff is surfacing, yes. I'm shocked though, because initially, I wouldn't have pegged CW as an RH type. CW seems more aloof and shy, while RH was outgoing and confident.

Makes me think the weight loss opened up a narcissistic side in CW that was kept at bay.

I wouldn't have pegged RH as an RH type, lol!

I do get a similar vibe from CW as from RH - the secret life unfolding as the investigation goes on.

Cooper's case was "the one" for me too - it's the case that made me register here on WS.

jmo

 

[Allabouttrial]

We don't know what NU-A was told by SW on that final trip to Arizona so it is hard to speculate whether SW discovered the homosexual activity that weekend trip or that morning she died.

How would SW have found out about the affair whether male or female or both? When would she have found out? I can't imagine CW leaving his phone on the kitchen counter for when she arrived back at 1:48 am and he likely had it password protected.

I do see CW losing control if he was discovered by SW to have been having a homosexual affair because CW seems to me to be over compensating and living a secret while hiding his sexual identity. CW is a nerd at the core, with low self esteem and having an alpha wife which is no disrespect to SW but may have been impossible for CW to deal with. It probably emasculated him having such an outgoing and driven wife whereas he was so sexually conflicted internally, anti social and living his SW's shadow.

Aside from being sexually conflicted (I would like some actual proof) I agree.

 

[kkdj]

Yes, I don’t know why, but that image is stuck in my head. Maybe it’s because I know it’s one of, if not, the last picture she ever took. Or maybe she sensed something was wrong back at home.

Do you have the pic?
And I think your last sentence might be right on. I wonder if she discussed any family problems with her friend NU on her way home.

 

[Karinna]

Oh, that breaks my heart. This whole uncalled for massacre of innocents breaks my heart. He really could've just walked away. It really and truly would've been easier on him.

I agree, and did he really imagine he wouldn't be caught for what he did? Yes, walking away is by far easier than thinking murder is ever going to solve any problems.
It really is an exercise of trying to make some sense out of the senseless in these type cases IMO.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Yes, I don’t know why, but that image is stuck in my head. Maybe it’s because I know it’s one of, if not, the last picture she ever took. Or maybe she sensed something was wrong back at home.

I agree, I think is one of the last photos of SW. She looked tired and sad ~ probably keeping a lot inside.

 

[Mrspratcher]

Do you have the pic?
And I think your last sentence might be right on. I wonder if she discussed any family problems with her friend NU on her way home.

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Am I allowed to post a link to the picture on her FB page?

 

[keepitsimplestupid]

As more and more stuff is surfacing, yes. I'm shocked though, because initially, I wouldn't have pegged CW as an RH type. CW seems more aloof and shy, while RH was outgoing and confident.

Makes me think the weight loss opened up a narcissistic side in CW that was kept at bay.

I completely agree about the weight loss. Maybe this is why we haven’t heard anything from “his people” - did he even have any? Perhaps it wasn’t until he lost weight and gained confidence that he ever made a lasting impression on anyone because he’s always been too shy and insecure. ...and a lasting impression it will be.

I think RH played the “fun/funny guy” card well but deep down was insecure. How could he not be with all of the apparent reassurance he needed from his “extracurricular” activities? He constantly needed his ego stroked, all the while hiding behind his computer screen/phone to get it. His confidence was a facade that he could keep alive with his “cool/funny” act in person, and then his “ladies man” act online - where nobody could see him. I betcha if he would’ve lost weight, he could’ve easily dropped his wife without ever looking back. And we might have seen a much bigger monster, holding nothing back. Yikes.

 

[NCTeacher]

Wow, it does. RH was bi-sexual too, wasn't he?

(I remember your dedication all throughout trial, NCteacher)

Yes, it did come out he was with men. I still think to this day that Leanna is very fortunate to be alive. I always thought he planned her "suicide" for the weeks after.

CW obviously didn't follow that trial, because RH made wayyy fewer mistakes and his story was wayyyy more credible than this hogwash that CW is trying to sell.

It's interesting that CW's lack of emotion was a huge red flag, so was RH's. No matter how smooth these dudes think they are, they cannot feign raw emotion.