CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #13

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  • #681
Perhaps this was indeed the trigger.

I think she would have tried to save her image and not completely throw him under the bus, even though he totally deserved complete shame.

Yeah one of you all turned me on to her.

Sorry, I'm behind on posts, who are you talking about?
 
  • #682
Oh! idk but I'll just go check there. Thanks
 
  • #683
I honestly believe we can't read too much into 1 picture.
 
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I had a sister in law with BPD, she can't keep relationships with anyone. Every time her children get close to someone she moves and keeps them away. It really is horrible.

My mother in law, an aunt by marriage, a childhood friend and a couple opposing parties. It's a very rare condition according to a psychologist I spoke to about it so the fact that I have so many people in my life with it is unusual.

It's horrific. Gaslighting. "I never did or said that." It's ALWAYS everyone else's fault. Alternately idoiolizing and then totally hating the same person. Constant rages. Paranoia. Extreme selfishness. Inability to maintain any relationship of any kind. The boundary crossing is intense.

Having a beautiful closet is not a symptom. But that disorder is so horrible, it's not something to lightly diagnose a murder victim with when there is zero indication.

BPD usually comes from being very emotionally neglected and/or seriously abused. ALL the people I know with it had parents who were either absent or showed them no love. It's very, very sad.

It's a curse to them and not their fault but people with this condition are some of the most unpleasant, horrible people be around.

They have an incredible fear of abandonment but they are so horrible that invariably they end up alone.

It's caused a lot of pain in my life having to deal with it. I had to step in and help raise my brother in laws as a result. Despite our intervention and efforts to help the kids, all three ended up with serious problems and an inability to cope with life because their mother is so completely insane. She destroyed them.
 
  • #687
We don't know what NU-A was told by SW on that final trip to Arizona so it is hard to speculate whether SW discovered the homosexual activity that weekend trip or that morning she died.

How would SW have found out about the affair whether male or female or both? When would she have found out? I can't imagine CW leaving his phone on the kitchen counter for when she arrived back at 1:48 am and he likely had it password protected.

I do see CW losing control if he was discovered by SW to have been having a homosexual affair because CW seems to me to be over compensating and living a secret while hiding his sexual identity. CW is a nerd at the core, with low self esteem and having an alpha wife which is no disrespect to SW but may have been impossible for CW to deal with. It probably emasculated him having such an outgoing and driven wife whereas he was so sexually conflicted internally, anti social and living his SW's shadow.

I think, if she found out, his phone may not have been pw protected--or she knew it. My husband and kids know my password. Maybe the lover sent him a text or she checked his camera roll and saw something funky. It surely explains the appearance of the master bed.
 
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Wow, it does. RH was bi-sexual too, wasn't he?

(I remember your dedication all throughout trial, NCteacher)

I believe he was. What a mess of a man. Talk about sleeping with the enemy. I don’t know how I feel about his ex wife, Leanna, still never formed an opinion one way or the other about her, but I can say that damn, she was duped. I’m sure her hinky meter was constantly off the charts with him, but how humiliating when it all came out. She couldn’t have possibly known to what extent.
 
  • #690
This is a high profile case, finding a jury is going to be hella hard no matter what. That's why LE is being very quiet. This will also cost CO a pretty penny. I live in AZ and the money spent on the Arias trial is still a sore subject.

Too bad it can't be moved, oh I dunno, say driving distance from me
 
  • #691
I think that is the understatement of the year in regards to her misreading his personality. For someone like me and I am going to guess SW as well as nothing has been written about either of her parents being abusive, these traits are absolutely foreign to you. Never met them and wouldn't recognize them if you had in fact. All she has to judge CW on would be her experiences in her life and any gut feelings she may have had about him. In hindsight had she been allowed the luxury of living (sarc) and we asked her if there any signs something was not right with him, she would be able to give us a laundry list of habits, occurences etc which in and of their own mean nothing but taken as a whole would have painted a clearer picture of who he was.

Something I was struck by when listening to her testimonial when considering her chose of words, observing her overall demeanor and body language I came away with a strong impression of how simple she really was. I don't mean that as insult as in simple minded rather, uncomplicated and very easily read. To me anyway. I believe she was a very sincere woman and after viewing her tape saw the very real and vulnerable side of her. Whereas in the short snippets of tape she sounded like a very confident young woman after being able to watch 30 consecutive minutes of her unrehearsed speech, I saw other aspects of her not readily available in the short clips.

I was able to feel the tension she had in her life as well as possible fear in her voice and body language. She was not as nonchalant as I previously believed. Her sensitivity and gentleness came through very clearly. In her attempt to convince others of how to gain control of one's life I shook my head that she actually went outside to say her current chain of thought out loud. Prior to it she had touched on negativity but didn't really elaborate too much on it. When she whisked out to her back deck she revealed what I believe to be a very real aspect of her own life not only that day but MANY days in recent years. She discusses how one needs to tune out the negative aspects or NEGATIVE PEOPLE in their life and despite their words basically soldier on and move forward confident in your path. I can't recall verbatim how she said this all but at one point she even appears to want to say that she is feeling the same with CW but decides not to. I still need to watch it again but it did stand out to me right away. It was also VERY familiar to me to have to leave the room to discuss something honestly and openly which applies to your own partner. Something tells me more then once she accused him of being a very negative person and it was a real trigger for him, so much so she felt she needed to live his immediate vacinity to keep him from hearing her even say the word.

So yes, there is imo some factual fluffery SW used in her posts that on the surface may have appeared to be outright lies if you believe as I do that CW is a negative and narcissistic person. However, I do not take it as an outright lie used to intentionally mislead people or even to inflect some false image of her perfect life, rather I see it as SW using the fluffery to once again stroke CW's very fragile ego by not stating the fact that she lived with the most negative person YET I MANAGE to have come this far. If I can you can. I think the girl is real and VERY open about who she is and does not fear showing her own imperfections but clearly has made a habit of making a conscious effort to protect her narcississtic husband's over inflated ego which is easily damaged. Big difference and is also indicative of a person who is very thoughtful and caring towards OTHER people who have NOT been so open about their weaknesses and faults rather choosing to mislead people about who they really are. Ya know like all their friends thinking he was a nice guy just quiet. Yep, I'm sure he was around THEM.

As I said earlier when I saw his mugshot. I literally said outloud well Hello there because the image is of an angry, unhappy individual that is actually menacing looking. The very face he hid from everyone else. SW saw that face long before he killed her I will guarantee that.

Really wanted to highlight & quote only the parts I agreed with - gotta admit, it was all of it.

I noticed, also,the point in which she goes outside. (relatable behavior) Yes, you are correct (imo), Shanann seems to be a very caring, thoughtful woman, a very open personality. It does seem, on thinking back on that moment when she goes to her deck, she might have been uncomfortable with CW hearing her comments. Trying to get away from the negativity. ..... OMG! She was so full of life! It's just do devastating. :( A home full of love & children, at least that's what I believe, that Shanann BELIEVED. Beyond destruction of life, it's pulverizing a sacred trust of children toward their father. I'm haunted by what their last visions were. What were Shanann's last visions? It just haunts me to my core.
:(

You and I both agree that if you've never been exposed to or knowledgeable about anyone like CW - it's like having no defense against it. It might not be like throwing a baby to the wolves ... But, sadly, that's sort of what happened in the end. Just instead of 'the woods', it was a shallow grave and 2 crude oil tanks. :(
Awhile back,(sorry can't remember who) a poster said that they should teach a class about these types in highschool.

Totally understand that you weren't dissing Shanann. She was a woman who seemed to just discover feeling the exhilaration of life again. (imo)

Thank you for that well written and thoughtful post. ♡

edit: simple spelling of the words: away & do! Lol :)
 
  • #692
So I just came across such a sad thing. I was looking for an archived baby registry for bella or cece to see what type baby monitor they may have had. You know, the whole question of CW claiming he saw one of the girls turning blue. I found a baby registry Shanann had created for Nico... :(
I think that puts the whole, did she want the 3rd child argument to rest. Made my heart hurt to think about her choosing all those things and how excited she must have been.

Aww. Just stopped me cold. So sad.
 
  • #693
I agree, I think is one of the last photos of SW. She looked tired and sad ~ probably keeping a lot inside.

I think she had a lot to deal with and her illness didn't help either IMO. She was doing so much in her life to make things work IMO.
It must of been draining on her to find those reserves of energy being pregnant and her beautiful active little girls too.
Sometimes i think back to the days of working full time and raising a family and don't know how some of us mother's cope with it all, but we do manage somehow to get through it all.
I wonder how supportive CW really was in Shanann's life?
 
  • #694
Had SW been to the doc for her pregnancy already or was her first visit to the that day (it's been a while since I had my babies, I can't recall). I know a family who was picture perfect, incredibly successful, well known, and she was pregnant and they discovered she had an STD. It was from the husband. NOBODY had suspected such a thing. I still can't wrap my brain around the gentleman I knew and the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 he apparently became when we was away from his model wife and their gorgeous, well behaved children. No murder but some serious character assassination. You just really never know people.
 
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Had SW been to the doc for her pregnancy already or was her first visit to the that day (it's been a while since I had my babies, I can't recall). I know a family who was picture perfect, incredibly successful, well known, and she was pregnant and they discovered she had an STD. It was from the husband. NOBODY had suspected such a thing. I still can't wrap my brain around the gentleman I knew and the ******* he apparently became when we was away from his model wife and their gorgeous, well behaved children. No murder but some serious character assassination. You just really never know people.

I'm pretty sure she had been to her ob several times, probably more frequently than the norm given her high-risk. But, she may have just gotten the results back from the pap/swabbing visit...
 
  • #697
Someone wanted link to last known photo of SW.
No dinner plate.
Phone to the left of SW.
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Chilling final picture posted by murdered mom Shanann Watts shows doll wrapped in FUNERAL SHROUD | Daily Mail Online
 
  • #698
Are you my long-lost twin because it sounds like we're living the EXACT same life. Husband, boys, dogs and all. Lol.

And teacher! Lol.
 
  • #699
I'm pretty sure she had been to her ob several times, probably more frequently than the norm given her high-risk. But, she may have just gotten the results back from the pap/swabbing visit...

This is what I’m wondering. Would the autopsy help with this, I wonder....
 
  • #700
I think, if she found out, his phone may not have been pw protected--or she knew it. My husband and kids know my password. Maybe the lover sent him a text or she checked his camera roll and saw something funky. It surely explains the appearance of the master bed.
How long does the doorbell camera keep videos? I wonder if she checked it and saw someone coming and going. Doesn't one's phone get an alert also?
 
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