CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #13

[NCTeacher]

And teacher! Lol.

Too funny!

 

[bears10]

I'm pretty sure she had been to her ob several times, probably more frequently than the norm given her high-risk. But, she may have just gotten the results back from the pap/swabbing visit...

Maybe it’s a regional thing but doctors in my area make you come into the office to get test results, even if there’s nothing wrong. They won’t tell you over the phone anymore. So I don’t find this a likely scenario JME JMO

 

[MCDRAW]

And I think that that is why so many are quick to victim blame. They can remove that threat from themselves because they would do nothing to cause it.

Yes!

 

[Talisman]

So I just came across such a sad thing. I was looking for an archived baby registry for bella or cece to see what type baby monitor they may have had. You know, the whole question of CW claiming he saw one of the girls turning blue. I found a baby registry Shanann had created for Nico...
I think that puts the whole, did she want the 3rd child argument to rest. Made my heart hurt to think about her choosing all those things and how excited she must have been.

Seems the deeper you sluethers dig it just gets more heartbreaking

 

[cottonweaver]

This guy is from Wyoming. I’m not buying his story. JMO

Isn't it about 3 hours drive?

these are the details which I couldn't add yesterday because it hadn't made MSM yet . One or both of the gay lovers revealing stuff is lying or they're actually the same person as initially assumed.
Who knows! We'll find out at some stage.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

My mother in law, an aunt by marriage, a childhood friend and a couple opposing parties. It's a very rare condition according to a psychologist I spoke to about it so the fact that I have so many people in my life with it is unusual.

It's horrific. Gaslighting. "I never did or said that." It's ALWAYS everyone else's fault. Alternately idoiolizing and then totally hating the same person. Constant rages. Paranoia. Extreme selfishness. Inability to maintain any relationship of any kind. The boundary crossing is intense.

Having a beautiful closet is not a symptom. But that disorder is so horrible, it's not something to lightly diagnose a murder victim with when there is zero indication.

BPD usually comes from being very emotionally neglected and/or seriously abused. ALL the people I know with it had parents who were either absent or showed them no love. It's very, very sad.

It's a curse to them and not their fault but people with this condition are some of the most unpleasant, horrible people be around.

They have an incredible fear of abandonment but they are so horrible that invariably they end up alone.

It's caused a lot of pain in my life having to deal with it. I had to step in and help raise my brother in laws as a result. Despite our intervention and efforts to help the kids, all three ended up with serious problems and an inability to cope with life because their mother is so completely insane. She destroyed them.

Good post.

I think it needs to be said there's a lot of help available for women/men diagnosed with BPD. They're difficult to deal with but of the cluster B (the other 3 being -Anti-Social PD, Narcissistic PD & Histrionic PD) they will seek help because they KNOW something is wrong with themselves, they lose many friends and family members because of their rage attacks and accusations, and they often attempt or succeed in suicide. It can get better with age and having a loving, supportive, consistent person/s in their lives. There is hope.

This information needs to be out there because people with BPD are often demonised and it's not their fault. There may be members or visitors who have this condition, it's not a helpless situation. Those with ASPD, NPD and HPD think they're perfect, they will never seek help and are usually diagnosed after they done something criminal or horrific!

 

[MassGuy]

How long does the doorbell camera keep videos? I wonder if she checked it and saw someone coming and going. Doesn't one's phone get an alert also?

It all depends on the system, but if she had access to the account, she would get alerts on all motion activity. This would be very dangerous in the case of someone having an affair, or doing anything behind their partner's back.

 

[Mrspratcher]

Yes, she doesn't appear as "up" as in most pics of her.

Yes!

 

[kittycat3]

One of the key things that I will look at ...all the voicemails and text and calls the day she went missing. He said he called to check on her and say how is it going on the video, but what did he really say and what times did he call if supposedly he had just killed her because she killed the children. Pffft

Gosh don’t you remember?!? He told the news reporter that he called her exactly three times!

(End sarcasm - his far too specific -and lame- answer was a BIG tell. HUGE!)

 

[MCDRAW]

My mother in law, an aunt by marriage, a childhood friend and a couple opposing parties. It's a very rare condition according to a psychologist I spoke to about it so the fact that I have so many people in my life with it is unusual.

It's horrific. Gaslighting. "I never did or said that." It's ALWAYS everyone else's fault. Alternately idoiolizing and then totally hating the same person. Constant rages. Paranoia. Extreme selfishness. Inability to maintain any relationship of any kind. The boundary crossing is intense.

Having a beautiful closet is not a symptom. But that disorder is so horrible, it's not something to lightly diagnose a murder victim with when there is zero indication.

BPD usually comes from being very emotionally neglected and/or seriously abused. ALL the people I know with it had parents who were either absent or showed them no love. It's very, very sad.

It's a curse to them and not their fault but people with this condition are some of the most unpleasant, horrible people be around.

They have an incredible fear of abandonment but they are so horrible that invariably they end up alone.

It's caused a lot of pain in my life having to deal with it. I had to step in and help raise my brother in laws as a result. Despite our intervention and efforts to help the kids, all three ended up with serious problems and an inability to cope with life because their mother is so completely insane. She destroyed them.

This is my fear for my niece and nephew.

 

[KALI]

I am truly wondering, how Mr. Chris Watts is feeling at the moment?
Becoming a near over night sensation?
Whether this man who said that he and Chris were lovers, is truthful or not, I am sure that the information has gotten back to Chris about this man's media appearance and claims.
Plus all of the discovery about what he did to his family.
Although I wonder about him, I absolutely feel for his and Shannon's family more so.
What a horrible mess he has made, for reasons unknown.

 

[Shekkiec]

Seems the deeper you sluethers dig it just gets more heartbreaking

Does it give a date she registered ?

 

[Nah]

Someone wanted link to last known photo of SW.
No dinner plate.
Phone to the left of SW.

Chilling final picture posted by murdered mom Shanann Watts shows doll wrapped in FUNERAL SHROUD | Daily Mail Online

She looks tired in the dinner photo. But hey, pregnant, business trip, I would be tired too. And she probably just finished her meal and the plate was taken away.

And there is that creepy photo again...the shrouded corpse thing....and there is NO way those babies did that. NO WAY. The doll stops early...the pillow is positioned above the doll...and the cover is arranged to look like a head.

I am almost positive that sicko CW did that. And I am almost positive it’s a super creepy proof of premeditation. There is no way that’s a coincidence. He was planning on killing those babies, and his wife. It was not a fit of passion. It was planned.

I think those who said he ran out of time due to the delayed flight, and the fact her friend came knocking on the door, are the two things that screwed up his plans.

 

[Shekkiec]

Detentions - Sheriff
Would this be the jail he is in ?

 

[MCDRAW]

How long does the doorbell camera keep videos? I wonder if she checked it and saw someone coming and going. Doesn't one's phone get an alert also?

The one we have does send the alert to our phones.

 

[NCTeacher]

Maybe it’s a regional thing but doctors in my area make you come into the office to get test results, even if there’s nothing wrong. They won’t tell you over the phone anymore. So I don’t find this a likely scenario JME JMO

I will say this... When I was preggo with boy #3, I remember sitting in a room and I was eavesdropping (not nice, I know), and I overheard a doctor and nurse (I presume) talking as they walked by my room. The doctor was describing a phone convo she just had with a patient regarding the patient's HIV test results. Now that's something I wouldn't want over the phone... This was in 2013.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

It all depends on the system, but if she had access to the account, she would get alerts on all motion activity.

Really great point. Did SW have access to the home security system via her phone as well even from Arizona?

 

[MerryB]

As always pages behind. Addressing the neatness vs sloppiness of anyone as a "mental disorder" is just, well, nuts.
The proclivity to be super clean or to be very messy can give professionals a glimpse in extreme cases.
In general, I think it's foolish to attempt to classify anyone without having spent at least several hours with them. In person.
Forensic psychiatry can help also. But we have no ideal of any real evidence that SW suffered from any DSM related diagnoses do we?
{I am a very eclectic person w/way too much stuff but I know where all of my "hoard" is. I also continually give more away than I keep. Just saying...}
ETA link with description (just wikipedia ) Forensic psychiatry - Wikipedia
Justice for Sha'nann, Celeste, Bella & of course "Niko".
Chi

I believe we are lucky enough to have a verified forensic psychologist with us. @MindHunter13 would love to hear from you.

 

[MassGuy]

Really great point. Did SW have access to the home security system via her phone as well even from Arizona?

If she had access, she would get an alert from anywhere (provided her phone had internet access).

 

[RavenCC2020]

It just kind of hit me...that none of us are truly safe.

You are right. Even scarier to me is that life is kind of set up backwards whereas when we NEED the knowledge to make the biggest decisions of our lives, school, career, marriage, have children or not, we are in fact deprived of the real life experience one needs to make a fully informed, logical decision. It really should be the other way around. We start off with that knowledge in order to build our lives then slowly we fade into ignorance when it really matters the least.

Far too many women suffer abuse and more then likely you know several who have been subjected to it or are living with it today and you are unaware of it because they have not told you. There are no boundaries either as victims come in every race, intellectual capacity, socioeconomic level AND personality types. Abusers are the same, they range the entire spectrum of demographics. I know first hand the absolute fear you live with when you first learn the person you adore is NOT the person you fell in love with. THAT is scary because it really shakes you to the core and makes you question your own judgement.