CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #14

[Jennifer17]

We don't know whether or not there were copious amounts of blood.

CW could have sat on her belly? And thereby crushed her lungs?

Well that would not be causing her to miscarry and ask any female if they have had a miscarriage without copious amounts of blood. It would not be just on the sheets, it would be soaked into the mattress or whatever she was lying on at the time.

 

[Bill Carson]

(This was your response about video showing SW telling CW that they were going to have another baby.)

That was weird. I can’t figure out if it is just weird now, in hindsight, or if it is actually weird regardless. I do feel like when he first read the shirt, he had to collect himself and decide how he was supposed to act.

Their house is pretty though.

I don't mean this to sound like victim bashing, so please give me the benefit of the doubt and try not to take it that way.

SW sure was caught up in social media. I mean, your husband looks like he is just coming home from work, and you've got the video going to capture his reaction when you break the news that there's going to be a third mouth to feed. I realize this is a younger, more media-savy generation, but it just seems like SW is determined to live in her own reality show, broadcast to her followers in real time.

For him to do what he did, he must have really, really hated that, resented it, and stewed about it. He certainly put an end to it once and for all. The Shan'ann Show was abruptly canceled.

And no wonder he can put on that awkward smile the when the news cameras show up---he's been on candid camera for eight years, and he's trained to smile and look happy.

I'm think I'm starting to understand CW's motive, and that helps me comprehend this terrible act.

[Don't you hate it when someone responds to your post from 10 hours ago? Sorry, just catching up.]

 

[katydid23]

Yep. I used to have a truck with doors like that. You have to open the front doors and then you can open those smaller back doors. My truck had small seats on each side in the back that you could fold up. I wonder if he put the girls in that large tool box in the back of his truck. Remember he was seen loading that tool box in the neighbors security camera. Perhaps he put SW in the back seat or floorboard.

I think he put the girls in the tool box. He'd want to hide them as much as possible in case someone walked up to his truck at work or if pulled over, etc.

I don't think he could have hidden SW as easily.

 

[Seattle1]

as to the bolded, not true. Our fat corgi-chihua LIES. He tries to pretend I didn't feed him and tries to get hubby to feed him when he comes home. He is a big fat liar...

Lol.... Your's LIES, and mine HIDES. She hides her food in corners, closets, etc. just to empty her bowl so that anyone unsuspecting will refill the bowl for her. She's not fat, but very sly and manipulating...

 

[Allabouttrial]

(This was your response about video showing SW telling CW that they were going to have another baby.)


I don't mean this to sound like victim bashing, so please give me the benefit of the doubt and try not to take it that way.

SW sure was caught up in social media. I mean, your husband looks like he is just coming home from work, and you've got the video going to capture his reaction when you break the news that there's going to be a third mouth to feed. I realize this is a younger, more media-savy generation, but it just seems like SW is determined to live in her own reality show, broadcast to her followers in real time.

For him to do what he did, he must have really, really hated that, resented it, and stewed about it. He certainly put an end to it once and for all. The Shan'ann Show was abruptly canceled.

And no wonder he can put on that awkward smile the when the news cameras show up---he's been on candid camera for eight years, and he's trained to smile and look happy.

I'm think I'm starting to understand CW's motive, and that helps me comprehend this terrible act.

[Don't you hate it when someone responds to your post from 10 hours ago? Sorry, just catching up.]

Personally speaking I think that should be a private moment shared between partners, certainly not for SM and live to boot.

 

[Jennifer17]

(This was your response about video showing SW telling CW that they were going to have another baby.)



I don't mean this to sound like victim bashing, so please give me the benefit of the doubt and try not to take it that way.

SW sure was caught up in social media. I mean, your husband looks like he is just coming home from work, and you've got the video going to capture his reaction when you break the news that there's going to be a third mouth to feed. I realize this is a younger, more media-savy generation, but it just seems like SW is determined to live in her own reality show, broadcast to her followers in real time.

For him to do what he did, he must have really, really hated that, resented it, and stewed about it. He certainly put an end to it once and for all. The Shan'ann Show was abruptly canceled.

And no wonder he can put on that awkward smile the when the news cameras show up---he's been on candid camera for eight years, and he's trained to smile and look happy.

I'm think I'm starting to understand CW's motive, and that helps me comprehend this terrible act.

[Don't you hate it when someone responds to your post from 10 hours ago? Sorry, just catching up.]

You are victim blaming. You can see a reason why he would kill her and his two children. And most people today do not think of a third child as 'another mouth to feed'.

 

[gitana1]

9 News:

Denver 7:

KDVR:

3rd video. Minute 52 "I mean my hearts just racing like a mile a minute. Everything that's happened in the last few days..."

 

[gitana1]

"Everything happening the last few days" that is what I heard in the 3rd video 52 second mark
His wife and daughters were reported missing the day before so it was basically 24 hours since they were missing. How does he get to "everything happening the last few days" when it should be everything happening the last 24 hours? To me events started on Sunday based on that comment by CW. I think the girls were killed Sunday evening well before midnight to make sense of his comment the last few days.

Agreed. Freudian slip on his part.

 

[Bill Carson]

You are victim blaming. You can see a reason why he would kill her and his two children. And most people today do not think of a third child as 'another mouth to feed'.

No, it is not victim blaming. I didn't say she deserved it. Nobody deserves to be killed and buried in a shallow grave. No children deserve to be strangled and dumped in oil.

But why are we here, Jennifer? <modsnip> It's to put an answer to the question, "Why did this happen?" "How can I understand it?"

It is obvious that he hated her guts, to do what he did. Why did he hate her? Why hate the perfect mother and wife? Well, he had had enough.

It doesn't excuse what he did. He still deserves the death penalty.

 

[Jennifer17]

Personally speaking I think that should be a private moment shared between partners, certainly not for SM and live to boot.

So do I, but some people live their whole lives on SM. I always knew that I was probably pregnant before any doctor or preg test confirmed it and I would have spoken about it to my husband.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I wonder who CW was talking with or if he even was talking with anyone?

He's telling his friend how wonderful the Eiffel Tower looks?

 

[gitana1]

Another thing that strikes me in these cases is how quickly the perpetrators want to get on with their plans, causing them to say and do odd things. While everyone else is in the midst of shock and concern, they've already "moved on", they know what has happened since they planned it, and they did it, and they are ready to move onto the next stage of their plan.

When NU called CW about the welfare check, he starts rambling to her about separation. NU is bewildered, at this stage she's just concerned SW has had a medical episode and she wants to check on her. She even said something along the lines of "why are you talking about this now?". She realizes CW isn't going to help, her anxiety rises, and thankfully she had it in her to not rationalize her gut feeling away and calls the police. She knows "something" is wrong here.

In CW's mind, the separation theory is his plan and he just wants to get on with it, he can't wait, and doesn't realise how strange he sounds.

Likewise when he's at the Thayers and starts talking about putting the house on the market. That's the next stage of his plan that he'd just like to get on with. Psychologically he's way ahead of everyone, since they don't even know she's dead at this point. He's come to terms with it already and is looking beyond. He also shows no interest in any of the Thayers ideas of where they could look for her. It's pointless to him, he knows where she is.

It reminds me of Gerard Baden-Clay, when his wife's body was found about eleven days after she went missing, he filed paperwork for her life insurance the same day. Who does that? Someone who has planned this all along and is just moving onto the next step of his plan. He knew she was dead all along, why wait any longer.

Scott Petersons wife goes missing and he adds the channel to his cable package.

They're over the loss of their families already, and find it frustrating that everyone else is so behind and making such a big deal about it. A few searches, a few memorial services, and they can just get on with their lives as they planned. Hurry up everyone..

Great assessment. Excellent post.

 

[NanZDrew]

bumping
because I was trying to find Nanz's info on this previously as I do believe he thought the tanks were a great long term solution , for reasons Nanz has given

Nanz, can I ask what did you think of the expert's analysis on the HLN ( Shekkiec) posted it upthread.
I watched it twice and was left more confused than I was before.

Pressurised or not? Heated or not? ( beyond ambient )
Apertures at the top of the 2 tanks or at the bottom?
Apertures- difficult to remove the "lids" or not.
wild card by expert - CW threw the bodies in the overflow open tank. Huh?

I tried to find the thread but couldn't find it. Based on your questions, I am assuming that he is talking about process tanks inside a plant as opposed to storage tanks at a small, remote well site. I have felt the reporting and terminology used by reporters is pretty poor because they do not understand the natural gas industry at all. I know some of it, but I am not an expert. What does on in a processing facility is very complex. There the tanks would be connected by piping and the crude tanks would be heated so the material could be pulled from the tanks to be processed. In the field, the tanks would not be heated except when they were going to transfer the crude by having it put into a vacuum truck or frac tank. In the field, where they are simply storing the crude, it doesn't matter if the crude is thick. It would be a waste of electricity to heat the tanks.

Not likely to be pressurized, although the tanks could have some pressure due to the gases in the crude. The gases can contract or expand. Pressure would be negligible and CW would know how to depressurize if necessary. The tanks have a guage on them that will tell if there is pressure.

Most of the tanks that I have seen have 2 apertures or manways. Usually one at the top and one near the bottom. They can be hard to open because there are usually 8 very large bolts that must be removed. Sometimes, rust and corrosion build up and make removing the bolts very difficult.

Not sure that is an overflow tank in the picture. I have not seen a small overflow tank in the field. In a refinery, maybe. The ones that I have seen are usually sitting inside a concrete containment area which is just a concrete wall that is high enough to catch a leak or overflow. The tanks are supposed to have "headspace" which means that a certain amount of room should be left in the tank to allow for the expansion of gases from heating and cooling. I am pretty sure that the tanks have an alarm when the tanks are getting near to capacity for holding chemical so that there is no overflow. Overflow tanks in the field would be a hazard due to the possibility of those tanks overflowing and getting into the soil or groundwater. That's why they hire guys like CW to inspect and maintain the pads. Absolutely do not believe the girls were put into an open overflow. It would be easy for them to be found and everything has said they were put into tanks. Did he say that it would be hard to put the girls in tanks? It really wouldn't, especially if he had loosened the bolts beforehand. When we were going to clean a tank, our techs would go and loosen the bolts beforehand and put a spray chemical to dissolve corrosion if necessary. My guess would be that he did this step ahead of time.

 

[katydid23]

I think that it was after he left for work (or whatever) on the Monday morning, but I have to think that the neighbours who did must have some inkling that things were not right.
It would not occur to me to call the police if a dog had been howling for a couple of hours unless the owner was elderly and lived alone.

If they did do a wellness check on Monday morning, it would be weird for them to be called out for another one. later in the same day. Maybe that helped convince them to come out so quickly when NU called?

 

[gitana1]

Where are the accounts coming from, though? From SW? His parents? They are committed to a myth. They are invested in thinking of him that way.

The same thing was said about the Harts....

You keep bringing up the Harts. In that case a couple of parents committed murder suicide. What do you think happened here?

Are you accusing SW of being a secretly abusive monster? Of killing her kids? She asked for it because she was phony on the internet? What exactly are you trying to say?

 

[Allabouttrial]

I tried to find the thread but couldn't find it. Based on your questions, I am assuming that he is talking about process tanks inside a plant as opposed to storage tanks at a small, remote well site. I have felt the reporting and terminology used by reporters is pretty poor because they do not understand the natural gas industry at all. I know some of it, but I am not an expert. What does on in a processing facility is very complex. There the tanks would be connected by piping and the crude tanks would be heated so the material could be pulled from the tanks to be processed. In the field, the tanks would not be heated except when they were going to transfer the crude by having it put into a vacuum truck or frac tank. In the field, where they are simply storing the crude, it doesn't matter if the crude is thick. It would be a waste of electricity to heat the tanks.

Not likely to be pressurized, although the tanks could have some pressure due to the gases in the crude. The gases can contract or expand. Pressure would be negligible and CW would know how to depressurize if necessary. The tanks have a guage on them that will tell if there is pressure.

Most of the tanks that I have seen have 2 apertures or manways. Usually one at the top and one near the bottom. They can be hard to open because there are usually 8 very large bolts that must be removed. Sometimes, rust and corrosion build up and make removing the bolts very difficult.

Not sure that is an overflow tank in the picture. I have not seen a small overflow tank in the field. In a refinery, maybe. The ones that I have seen are usually sitting inside a concrete containment area which is just a concrete wall that is high enough to catch a leak or overflow. The tanks are supposed to have "headspace" which means that a certain amount of room should be left in the tank to allow for the expansion of gases from heating and cooling. I am pretty sure that the tanks have an alarm when the tanks are getting near to capacity for holding chemical so that there is no overflow. Overflow tanks in the field would be a hazard due to the possibility of those tanks overflowing and getting into the soil or groundwater. That's why they hire guys like CW to inspect and maintain the pads. Absolutely do not believe the girls were put into an open overflow. It would be easy for them to be found and everything has said they were put into tanks. Did he say that it would be hard to put the girls in tanks? It really wouldn't, especially if he had loosened the bolts beforehand. When we were going to clean a tank, our techs would go and loosen the bolts beforehand and put a spray chemical to dissolve corrosion if necessary. My guess would be that he did this step ahead of time.

Thanks for the insight.

 

[Layla123]

(This was your response about video showing SW telling CW that they were going to have another baby.)



I don't mean this to sound like victim bashing, so please give me the benefit of the doubt and try not to take it that way.

SW sure was caught up in social media. I mean, your husband looks like he is just coming home from work, and you've got the video going to capture his reaction when you break the news that there's going to be a third mouth to feed. I realize this is a younger, more media-savy generation, but it just seems like SW is determined to live in her own reality show, broadcast to her followers in real time.

For him to do what he did, he must have really, really hated that, resented it, and stewed about it. He certainly put an end to it once and for all. The Shan'ann Show was abruptly canceled.

And no wonder he can put on that awkward smile the when the news cameras show up---he's been on candid camera for eight years, and he's trained to smile and look happy.

I'm think I'm starting to understand CW's motive, and that helps me comprehend this terrible act.

[Don't you hate it when someone responds to your post from 10 hours ago? Sorry, just catching up.]

The Social Media aspect of their life together was a part of their business, something they did together, so Shanann could make money and be a stay ay home mom. He worked for the company, too. He benefited, too. If you search around FB for Thrive team members/employees, they all do it. They’re all friends. They all post what they feel to be positive aspects of their lives to encourage one another to live their best lives. They pitch product, they talk about how well the products work, how delicious they are, how they’ve changed their lives, etc. They were rewarded with free cars, free vacations. If CW no longer cared to do that type of work, he could have told her, he didn’t need to kill her.

 

[Seattle1]

I tried to find the thread but couldn't find it. Based on your questions, I am assuming that he is talking about process tanks inside a plant as opposed to storage tanks at a small, remote well site. I have felt the reporting and terminology used by reporters is pretty poor because they do not understand the natural gas industry at all. I know some of it, but I am not an expert. What does on in a processing facility is very complex. There the tanks would be connected by piping and the crude tanks would be heated so the material could be pulled from the tanks to be processed. In the field, the tanks would not be heated except when they were going to transfer the crude by having it put into a vacuum truck or frac tank. In the field, where they are simply storing the crude, it doesn't matter if the crude is thick. It would be a waste of electricity to heat the tanks.

Not likely to be pressurized, although the tanks could have some pressure due to the gases in the crude. The gases can contract or expand. Pressure would be negligible and CW would know how to depressurize if necessary. The tanks have a guage on them that will tell if there is pressure.

Most of the tanks that I have seen have 2 apertures or manways. Usually one at the top and one near the bottom. They can be hard to open because there are usually 8 very large bolts that must be removed. Sometimes, rust and corrosion build up and make removing the bolts very difficult.

Not sure that is an overflow tank in the picture. I have not seen a small overflow tank in the field. In a refinery, maybe. The ones that I have seen are usually sitting inside a concrete containment area which is just a concrete wall that is high enough to catch a leak or overflow. The tanks are supposed to have "headspace" which means that a certain amount of room should be left in the tank to allow for the expansion of gases from heating and cooling. I am pretty sure that the tanks have an alarm when the tanks are getting near to capacity for holding chemical so that there is no overflow. Overflow tanks in the field would be a hazard due to the possibility of those tanks overflowing and getting into the soil or groundwater. That's why they hire guys like CW to inspect and maintain the pads. Absolutely do not believe the girls were put into an open overflow. It would be easy for them to be found and everything has said they were put into tanks. Did he say that it would be hard to put the girls in tanks? It really wouldn't, especially if he had loosened the bolts beforehand. When we were going to clean a tank, our techs would go and loosen the bolts beforehand and put a spray chemical to dissolve corrosion if necessary. My guess would be that he did this step ahead of time.

Brilliant @NanZDrew . The monster watched his babies eat birthday cake on Sunday, and only hours later immersed their little bodies in crude oil.

 

[SheepMan]

If they did do a wellness check on Monday morning, it would be weird for them to be called out for another one. later in the same day. Maybe that helped convince them to come out so quickly when NU called?

I don’t believe they did a wellness check on the dog - definitely not Monday morning (how would they do it if no access to the house) and I would say they didn’t do one at all.

 

[Bill Carson]

The Social Media aspect of their life together was a part of their business, something they did together, so Shanann could make money and be a stay ay home mom. He worked for the company, too. He benefited, too. If you search around FB for Thrive team members/employees, they all do it. They’re all friends. They all post what they feel to be positive aspects of their lives to encourage one another to live their best lives. They pitch product, they talk about how well the products work, how delicious they are, how they’ve changed their lives, etc. They were rewarded with free cars, free vacations. If CW no longer cared to do that type of work, he could have told her, he didn’t need to kill her.

Certainly he didn't need to kill her. You and I can see that it was completely unnecessary, but to CW, he thought it was his best way out.

But I'm going to disagree about it being an aspect of their life together. Oh, I mean, it certainly was an aspect, but I don't see him as a willing participant. He's just along for the ride. He's "Shy Chris." (Per the Thayer's video.) He doesn't care for the limelight. And if you look at her SM, you'll notice that it is filled with her selfies and her pics of the kids much more than of him. (This is partially because he was at work while she was home with the kids so much.) But my point, my theory, is that at some point he woke up and realized that he was living a lie. And the identity that she had built for them wasn't who he was at all. And he felt cloistered. And he had to find a way out. And the way he chose was awful. He chose a permanent solution to a temporary problem (as they say about suicide).