CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #15

[BingoBongo]

Any more news on, or from, the alleged male lover?

In a way, he kinda reminds me of John Mark Karr from the JonBenet case

 

[katydid23]

I don't want to fight with anybody. I'm glad to discuss my theories. Please read my tone to be most cordial and open. None of us has perfect information because we weren't there, so all we can do is try to make the pieces of the puzzle fit as best we can. (That goes to the Theory of the Case, by the way, which I may discuss in more detail soon. Theory of the Case is a very short idea that sums up not only what happened but why.)

Getting to your question, we have two conflicting things here: 1) her statement about CW wanting another child, and 2) the fact that he killed his wife, his children, and his unborn child just a few months later.

So, if he wanted a third child so badly (or wanted a son, which is what is often stated outright or strongly implied whenever a couple with two daughters decides to have a third child), then why did he kill the third child (and everyone else)? That doesn't make much sense, especially in light of the fact that they were having relationship issues to one degree or another.

He was obviously unhappy and getting unhappier, may have been cheating on SW, possibly with a man for several months before she got pregnant (if we believe AB's guest). So I have a hard time believing that he was the one that wanted another child.

But why would she lie about it? I don't know. Maybe it goes to the image of success and the perfect family that SW was trying to create---that's one theory. Maybe other people here could suggest other reasons why she might make that up. But actions speak louder than words, so I'm discounting what she said.

I hope that explains it.

But maybe BOTH things are true. Maybe he didn't really want another child at all. But maybe he lied to her and said he did.

He may have said, a couple of years ago, let's try for a boy someday. I'd love to have a son. So later on, when she asks him, should we do it now, it seems like a good time to try for a 3rd, he may have just smiled and nodded, not knowing what else to say?

 

[Layla123]

As I said, I came at this point of view before reading many of y'all's comments, so I wan't in the groove of the discussion. I stand by my observations. I am not jaded, nor do I have much to say regarding Thrive, since I don't know a heck of a lot about it. I am not smearing anyone either: I'm simply observing what I believe to be true.

I find this young woman's smiles to be plastered on, an effort to convince others (and maybe herself) that she's all happiness. Like her message to her fellow Thrivers, it's marketing, smoke and mirrors; she even overtly has "happiness" as a sales pitch. The emptiness of the house, and the seeming denial about their dire financial situation, speaks, to my mind, to someone who is pretending, both to herself and to others.

That is my impression, and I'm entitled to it.

I think it goes so much deeper. She was involved in a profession and movement that believed if you visualize it, it will be. She wouldn’t allow herself to have or express negative thoughts. Negative thoughts were the enemy.

 

[x_files]

I'm tired of women and children dying because of plotful men.

Regardless of their reasons.

So Either kill yourself or let us kill you.

So just manup and stop the bullcrap reasons . Jmo

Its over. So man up and take your punishment

yes! so sick of it!

 

[BingoBongo]

Reading the comments from many about how loving, kind, happy, put together, ambitious, etc. Shannan was...it got me thinking. God forbid a friend of mine pass on, especially via something as tragic as this...but if someone did, and the media came to me for comment about their life and demeanor...I don't think I'd share anything negative about them with the media. Not about their personality, etc. Couldn't bear to do that. :-(

 

[Layla123]

Not if the blood was only on the fitted sheet, as that was found by the oil tanks.

But wouldn't it be on the mattress, too?

 

[Mac1233]

FWIW - There are many posts that I like even when I don't agree with the post. I like to hear others perspective and thoughts and by liking the post I feel it acknowledges the person who posted. Maybe that's not what others do?

I also "like" a post even if I don't necessarily agree with the opinion. Esp. if it offers a different theory or view point than mine and makes me think of an alternative viewpoint.

 

[BUF]

Any more news on, or from, the alleged male lover?

In a way, he kinda reminds me of John Mark Karr from the JonBenet case

A man identified as ***** ***** came forward on social media Thursday to say he's the one who had the affair with Watts.

....

He claims police reached out to him after finding his name on the dating app MeetMe, which they found on Watts' cellphone.

Chris Watts Murder Case: Man Claims He Had Affair With Dad Accused of Killing Wife, Kids

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

Wow! That is the BEST information I've seen about CW.
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Those who know Watts described him as a remarkably intelligent youth. In 2003, hes and another senior at Pine Forest placed third at the N.C. Automobile Dealers Association competition in Winston-Salem, receiving a certificate and a $1,000 scholarship to Universal Technical Institute and NASCAR Technical Institute in Mooresville.

Duty, their teacher, stood on the sidelines and watched.

“This was one of the smartest students I ever had. The guy had a photographic memory,” he said. “His biggest passion outside of automotive was NASCAR. He knew chapter and verse, everything you could ask about NASCAR. Anything. In fact, I told him before he graduated, I said, ‘Chris, if I ever had a student who was going to be tremendously successful, it’s you.’ He wanted to work his way up and be on a NASCAR team. Probably a crew chief.”

Duty said he believed that Watts attended the NASCAR Technical Institute. A representative said she could not comment.

Others who remember Watts from high school described him as a boy that every girl had a crush on, but shy and awkward.

Duty said most of his students, in particular the good ones, have kept in constant contact with him.

That was not the case with Watts.

“I really wondered why I never heard from him,” Duty said.

He remembered his former student as extremely introverted and quiet. Watts would sit in class and hardly say a word, Duty said.

“If you talked to him,” he added, “he would talk to you. Often, I wondered why he was so withdrawn. He was very clean-cut, very respectful, very smart.”

He remembers Watts as a great student because he could look at anything in the classroom, anything he was supposed to be learning, “and he had it. It didn’t take but one time, and he had it. Didn’t matter what it was.”

I think the key to C.W. is “why was he so withdrawn”.
I taught in a small town jr. high for 3 years in eastern N.C. and I don’t remember any of my students being “withdrawn”. My students told me a lot more than I wanted to know.
The fact that no locals, except this teacher, have come forward to speak to the media about CW is weird. There’s always someone in a small town who knows everything.

 

[Jennifer17]

I remember someone posting in yesterday’s thread that there would be a lot of blood involved with a miscarriage...perhaps the blood was on the fitted sheet?

No. More blood than a sheet could soak up. It would be on the mattress protector and likely soak into the mattress to0.

 

[BingoBongo]

A man identified as ***** ***** came forward on social media Thursday to say he's the one who had the affair with Watts.

....

He claims police reached out to him after finding his name on the dating app MeetMe, which they found on Watts' cellphone.

Chris Watts Murder Case: Man Claims He Had Affair With Dad Accused of Killing Wife, Kids

Thanks, I should have been less ambiguous in my orig. post, am sorry. I know about this guy, and have my doubts about his validity/honesty...and wondering if anything else has come out (NPI) about him and his claims. I think yesterday someone posted that he'd been contacted by the FBI? Would love to know the outcome of that. I should look to see if his name has been added to the witness list.

 

[Mrspratcher]

The police officers inspected the sheets when they searched the house.

Perhaps I’m wrong, but wasn’t the fitted sheet found near the oil tanks?

 

[RickshawFan]

I remember someone posting in yesterday’s thread that there would be a lot of blood involved with a miscarriage...perhaps the blood was on the fitted sheet?

I felt kind of gross saying this upthread, but....I think I decided you could create a miscarriage without inducing blood flow, e.g. by sitting on a pregnant belly and simultaneously crushing the mom's lungs.

However, although not necessarily blood, other body fluids from her could have left evidence on the bottom sheet.

As I say all that, gosh, maybe he raped her? Can that cause a miscarriage?

 

[mickey2942]

I am conflicted, between CW having planned the entire event, or something that happened and spiraled out of control.

Because the disposal of bodies was so disorganized, I am leaning towards CW went crazy on Cece, frustrated, financial issues, hadn't had to deal with kids for several weeks, then had to take of them alone, no doubt angry that SW left for a "vacation", and he lost it. Then, he "had" to kill Bella, she probably saw everything. Then, SW comes home, just "checks" on the kids, goes to bed, and he kills her in bed. He develops a story, dumps the bodies, and thinks he will have a day or two for clean up.

Or he was so enraged, he planned it all. But, if he did, burying the bodies in oil? And shallow grave? At his workplace. Idiot.

 

[Mrspratcher]

But wouldn't it be on the mattress, too?

Good point! Perhaps that was why there was bedding on the floor....CW was confirming there was no blood on the mattress? MOO

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

I'm not convinced that CW is especially intelligent. I mean, look where he's sitting right now. But even if I'm wrong, he wouldn't be the first family annihilator with brains.

For instance, William Bradford Bishop had a BS in history from Yale, an MA in international studies from the University of CA, and also attended Middlebury College. He served four years in Army counterintelligence, worked for the US State Department, and speaks five languages.

He bludgeoned his wife, three children and his mother to death with a ball peen hammer, then drove six hours with their bodies in the car, dug a shallow hole where he piled the bodies, doused them with gasoline and set them on fire.

And here's the scary part - that was 1976 and he still has not been found.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/murders/william-bradford-bishop-jr/@@download.pdf

I am very familiar with that case as the bodies/ fire happened close to where I grew up. I remember on the local news...

I think his teacher may be right- photographic memory smart - but not street smart.

 

[Mrspratcher]

No. More blood than a sheet could soak up. It would be on the mattress protector and likely soak into the mattress to0.

Sigh, back to square one.

 

[Stunned]

I'm not sure about that. I still think he snapped when she walked in the door, he killed her and then he killed the children. In the heat of the moment, I don't believe he was thinking that far ahead. When he realized the magnitude of what he had just done, he tried to cover it up. I do think it's possible he's grieving his family.

I know it's not a popular scenario. But I'm having a hard time thinking he killed the babies first.

I think he honestly did not or could not comprehend how important his wife and children were too other people. They weren’t valuable to him. IMO he didn’t know how to react emotionally afterward.

 

[PommyMommy]

But maybe BOTH things are true. Maybe he didn't really want another child at all. But maybe he lied to her and said he did.

He may have said, a couple of years ago, let's try for a boy someday. I'd love to have a son. So later on, when she asks him, should we do it now, it seems like a good time to try for a 3rd, he may have just smiled and nodded, not knowing what else to say?

I'm curious whether you have seen this video, Katydid. At about the 27 min mark, AT talks about how Shanann told her that CW told Shanann he wanted another child.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

↑ snipped ~ sorry I lost the name of the original poster of this paragraph. I think the profile name started with the name katie
I don’t think that is where he was working since he told the detective he was going to a job site in Hudson when he obviously went twice as far, to Roggen. I do agree he could have been out there all morning though. NUA was at the door around 12:10, Officer was dispatched at 1:40 and when he contacted Chris, he said he was 5 minutes away. So, unless Chris was at a job site at least 90 minutes away, he didn’t start rushing home as soon as NUA was at the door.

Great point Katie.
Curious about the time when NU arrived around 12:10 and police dispatched at 1:40. What happened between that time of 1 and half hours from the time when NU arrived and from when police dispatched. That is a long time actually between NU's arrival and police dispatched.
What time did NU call the police?

CW's actual location that morning is also curious. I assume NU called CW at around 12:10. How come it took CW more then an hour and a half if not two hours to get home depending on what time the police actually arrived at the home and called CW for key pad code ( after they were dispatched at 1:40).