CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #15

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  • #81
Ok
Sorry, it was the 31 minute video that @margarita25 reposted.

Feel like a doofus for saying this, but don't know how to link videos using my phone :) I'm sorry of old school.

No probs I will go back and find it the video.

And go back and find the OP Rickshaw and what he posted.
 
  • #82
FWIW - There are many posts that I like even when I don't agree with the post. I like to hear others perspective and thoughts and by liking the post I feel it acknowledges the person who posted. Maybe that's not what others do?

I do the same!
 
  • #83
We have Chris himself saying he saw NUA at the door at 12:10 and I believe an interview with her says the same thing.
 
  • #84
IMO, welcome to the world of Mars vs. Venus. Too many variables and another five minutes IMO. And where does this witness to this event live. If you were so concerned and thought it off, report it. No previous DV reports as was previously stated IIRC.
Yes, I am team Shanann, all the way, but a driveway dispute is now suddenly a valid point. Welcome to married life ma’am (Miss Melinda).

she did also say, in that link
“I didn’t really think much of it, because Lord knows that I’ve had the same arguments with my husband,”
 
  • #85
Ok


No probs I will go back and find it the video.

And go back and find the OP Rickshaw and what he posted.

It's on page 27 of the previous thread, if you are on a computer.
 
  • #86
IMO the only reason CW told Nicole about a "seperation" was because he thought that would be a good reason for her to run off in sadness and despair. I don't believe they even talked about a separation. Another one of his lies. Same as the "emotional conversation". I don't even believe that one. It sounds like a good reason for her to leave after an emotional conversation. His excuse for where she is and why he can't find her. He thought if he told people they had an emotional conversation and told Nic that they were separating that would be the reason no one could find her. Oh she must have ran off with the kids because she was so upset. I think this was premeditated and the kids were already dead and when she got home he killed her too. I don't believe he snapped after a fight anymore.

And I see we now have neighbors and "friends" coming out the woodwork to say they saw this or that in the past and they had a feeling about this or that. Yeah ok. And I guess I better stop posting happy and postive posts and videos on my SM and start posting about the times my husband or kids get on my nerves so I won't be judged as being fake if God forbid something ever happens to me.
 
  • #87
Thanks Pommy! That's the one I was talking about. Did CW have to go through that ranch arch and through those building to get to the tank farm? It says all visitors must be approved by Mr. Cervil, something like that. So one of my questions is that if that area is accessible all night long, or if he had to wait until 6 or so to get in?
Sorry, I haven't studied it that closely. I've been meaning to, does that count, lol? :D
 
  • #88
My neighbors would report many hollars... they wouldn't likely know it was at my cats tho. Haha
 
  • #89
I believe he knew all was lost the moment Nicole called him and wouldn't go with his flow. They couldn't run off without her stuff... no matter seperation or not.
 
  • #90
Any chance you could post the link if it's still in your history Tiger? Or I can look it up, if you know what the clip was titled as?
See post #55 - youtube uploaded
 
  • #91
Sorry, I haven't studied it that closely. I've been meaning to, does that count, lol? :D
If you are 'planning' on doing something you are actually doing something already. Haha
 
  • #92
IMO the only reason CW told Nicole about a "seperation" was because he thought that would be a good reason for her to run off in sadness and despair. I don't believe they even talked about a separation. Another one of his lies. Same as the "emotional conversation". I don't even believe that one. It sounds like a good reason for her to leave after an emotional conversation. His excuse for where she is and why he can't find her. He thought if he told people they had an emotional conversation and told Nic that they were separating that would be the reason no one could find her. Oh she must have ran off with the kids because she was so upset. I think this was premeditated and the kids were already dead and when she got home he killed her too. I don't believe he snapped after a fight anymore.

And I see we now have neighbors and "friends" coming out the woodwork to say they saw this or that in the past and they had a feeling about this or that. Yeah ok. And I guess I better stop posting happy and postive posts and videos on my SM and start posting about the times my husband or kids get on my nerves so I won't be judged as being fake if God forbid something ever happens to me.


OMG! You made me laugh:) Thanks!
 
  • #93
NanZDrew posted this on Thread #14 last night and I think it is something for LE to nail down: ( and thanks so much to NanzDrew for the insights into the oil & gas industry & the operational characteristics of these wells & tanks)

"When we were going to clean a tank, our techs would go and loosen the bolts beforehand and put a spray chemical to dissolve corrosion if necessary. My guess would be that he did this step ahead of time."

Ahead of time...... likely CW would have known how this works and how to do it without having to call a tech in to do it. He didn't really have a lot of time that am to fool around with rusted shut bolts on two tanks AND dig a grave.

I'd assume he would have access to all the spray chemicals, wrenches to fit the bolts, etc. This could certainly have been something he did in advance. I wonder if Anakanko's truck GPS documents him visiting this well in the week or so prior to the murders? ie: PREMEDITATION
Since this was an active well, there is a good chance that they kept a grease or lubricant on them to keep them from corroding. But loosening them beforehand would be a very smart idea, especially if he put the girls in different tanks. Think about unscrewing 16 bolts (8 on each tank). They are very big bolts. It would take time, plus you can pinch or cut your finger leaving DNA or blood on the bolts or threads.
 
  • #94
I don't want to fight with anybody. I'm glad to discuss my theories. Please read my tone to be most cordial and open. None of us has perfect information because we weren't there, so all we can do is try to make the pieces of the puzzle fit as best we can. (That goes to the Theory of the Case, by the way, which I may discuss in more detail soon. Theory of the Case is a very short idea that sums up not only what happened but why.)

Getting to your question, we have two conflicting things here: 1) her statement about CW wanting another child, and 2) the fact that he killed his wife, his children, and his unborn child just a few months later.

So, if he wanted a third child so badly (or wanted a son, which is what is often stated outright or strongly implied whenever a couple with two daughters decides to have a third child), then why did he kill the third child (and everyone else)? That doesn't make much sense, especially in light of the fact that they were having relationship issues to one degree or another.

He was obviously unhappy and getting unhappier, may have been cheating on SW, possibly with a man for several months before she got pregnant (if we believe AB's guest). So I have a hard time believing that he was the one that wanted another child.

But why would she lie about it? I don't know. Maybe it goes to the image of success and the perfect family that SW was trying to create---that's one theory. Maybe other people here could suggest other reasons why she might make that up. But actions speak louder than words, so I'm discounting what she said.

I hope that explains it.
Hey Bill,
It does explain it. And if I currently believe #1 as an outsider, your #2 is a very good question point as well. So thank you.

Also, I did not mean to imply that YOU were looking for a WS fight.... we’ve just seen others do so for no valid reason, and also PMing people (including myself) with opposing views but moreso just attacking. I have not seen where you’ve done that and looking back, I should’ve been more specific, or not made that statement at all in my OP response.

I do appreciate your thoughts, especially when opposing mine, and appreciate you do it with rational explanation.

I’ve seen RL husbands convince to have another child to their wives, but I have no rational explanation as to why even when having deeper at the time insight. Made no sense to me. May be to appease... not sure but there definitely are better ways. I always roll my eyes when I see that like, you’re kidding me right (SM “friends”). To which I usually unfollow.
Rambling now.
 
  • #95
he
I posted it several days ago and thread was shut down and posts deleted. I was told it was against TOS.
At that time when you posted about his Twitter, the guy wasn't named in MSM or by LE. He was, at that point, just some guy on the internet and WS doesn't allow links to SM of random people. That's why it wasn't allowed.

Now he has been named in MSM. That's the difference.

That's my understanding of the rules, anyway.

jmopinion
 
  • #96
In the first picture of CW's truck I see mud/dirt caked in the wheel wells. From oil field drop off of bodies?
I also note that there is only one door one each side of vehicle and it was reported that CW put the bodies in the back seat. That must have been difficult to do and a lot of evidence transfer would be present in doing so as he had to move the front seat forward to get them into the back seat. I am assuming because he had what looks to be large tubing or piping in the back of the truck plus it doesn't look like he had a cover for the back of the truck.

It sounds like his job was remote work in the field so I assume a dirty truck would be normal.

Also, that truck has 4 doors, the two back doors fold backwards which gives access to the rear portion of the cab.
 
  • #97
But why would she lie about it? I don't know. Maybe it goes to the image of success and the perfect family that SW was trying to create---that's one theory. Maybe other people here could suggest other reasons why she might make that up. But actions speak louder than words, so I'm discounting what she said.
Denial. Optimistic go-getters like Shanann never want to believe that things are as bad as they are. Add to that CW's narcissistic gaslighting, and I think she truly believed she was making that happy life she so desperately wanted by just believing hard enough.

I know because I've been there. Think about all the pop culture stuff out there like The Secret and Wayne Dyer that tell hopeful people like Shanann (and the younger me) that "words create worlds"--anything you dream of can be made real with enough positive thinking!

Poor sweet Shanann.
 
  • #98
From the arrest affidavit:
After being allowed to speak with his father, Chris said stated after he told Shanann he wanted a separation he walked downstairs for a moment and then returned to his bedroom to speak to Shanann again. While in the bedroom, he [CW] observed Bella "sprawled out" on her bed and blue and Shanann actively strangling Celeste.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

That baby monitor might become a crucial piece of evidence.
Do those monitors save their recordings? Can technical experts find out the time at which a baby monitor was activated and when it was switched off? Or when recordings were deleted?

My guess is that no baby monitor was activated at all on that horrible night.

For surely CW did not want any recordings of the horror which was going to happen in the house, especially if his plan was to strangle the children after they had fallen asleep in their beds ...
Suppose experts could find out that the baby monitor was not activated on that night (or switched on at a 'suspicious' time (i. e. too late at night in order to support CWs fabricated scenario), his story would collapse like a house of cards.
 
  • #99
Just wanted to shout out a "thank you" to the poster who gave details about what the oil tanks are like. The bit about the screws on the access doors (not sure the right name) and that they are sometimes loosened in advance because they can be so time-consuming to undo.

If that is the case with these tanks that CW used, it really give the impression that CW had the site planned and prepped in advance.

Always great to have experts and people willing to share info on the threads.

jmo
 
  • #100
Since this was an active well, there is a good chance that they kept a grease or lubricant on them to keep them from corroding. But loosening them beforehand would be a very smart idea, especially if he put the girls in different tanks. Think about unscrewing 16 bolts (8 on each tank). They are very big bolts. It would take time, plus you can pinch or cut your finger leaving DNA or blood on the bolts or threads.
Thanks, I am really interested in the mechanics of the crude oil burials. A few days ago someone said there was a video showing that there was just a latch, the person pushes down, and voila, the tank cover or manhole comes up. Also a few days ago someone said the tanks were inactive. Since it takes me about an hour to change a pickup tire, what with stubborn lug nuts, I can hardly imagine opening those tanks so quickly unless he did it earlier. I wonder if there is some alarm when the tank is opened. Maybe not one that can be heard on site, but a digital one monitored in the office.
 
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