CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #16

[MassGuy]

I'm sure it'll all come out whether he was on something.

None of this will matter if he continues with the “wife did it” defense.

 

[skyedaze]

That makes me wonder what kind of chemicals are in these patches? It altered his personality?! Wow.

His personality was not altered by anything..it just finally showed up in broad daylight.
He did this because he wanted to.

 

[Jennifer17]

Yes people do kill on antidepressants and have caused numerous people to commit suicide. They are scary dangerous drugs.

And they have helped, many many people through a depressive illness.

 

[Ronso]

Until you live with someone with mental illness, it's easy to demonize these drugs and say they're a "cause" of murder/suicide. Our poor mental health system is more to blame for that ( If you can even get access to care, a lot of it is like: Here's some pills, have a nice 3 months until we see you again!). My daughter has several diagnoses, and she NEEDS her mood stabilizers to be a functioning teenager. NEEDS them. And yes, we've had to adjust which meds and combinations she gets to find what works. We've had to fight with insurance to get her medications covered. We've had to keep up with the doctor to make sure she submits her prescriptions on time for refills. You can't drop the ball on medications. You can't not report side-effects, or if they aren't working. You HAVE to be proactive, whether it's for yourself or your child/family member.

 

[skyedaze]

We know he had at least one extra-marital affair, and possibly more - he feels "entitled". We know he lies because he was tripping all over his story in his various interviews, and also, in order to carry on an affair, he was also lying to SW. IMO, it would require supreme arrogance to be able to give three media interviews acting like he is a victim when he knew exactly what happened, and he also knew exactly where they were. That is for starts, JMO.

Yes...exactly..you nailed it....because he is a narcissist. Not all are murderers, but lots of murderers are narcissists.

 

[sun16]

I would like to add I think it’s highly likely that C.W. went with the SW strangled the children defense because he knew the severity of what he’d done, and he knew only a monster would kill their own children. He was ashamed and didn’t have the courage to admit what he’d done to his father. Whether he killed one, or three, didn’t matter, the consequences would still be the same.

I’m still out on this issue. I don’t know what the dad said to CW (or vice versa), what if anything he told his son to do or not too, how much dad knows, etc. Also, who is paying for CW’s attorney? If CW were my son, he could use whatever money he has, but I’d be damned if I was going to liquidate my life savings or mortgage my house to pay for defending his actions. No way.

 

[katydid23]

But we don't know, if the two kids, were safe, sleeping!

True, and very sad.

But in terms of her planning her trip, she wouldn't rely upon him for a ride home from airport because she would logically assume he would be home with sleeping babies.

 

[Tigerlily75]

It's really hard to gauge tone on these message boards. My first reaction is that you are yelling at me for asking a simple question. Then I have to take a deep breath and consider that you are answering in a very calm, rational tone. I'm going to presume the latter instead of the former, and I would appreciate it if all of us would presume good faith in our questions and comments here. I know I don't like it when I feel like I'm walking on eggshells, and I'm sure most everyone feels the same.

So let me apologize to you for my first reaction. I can see that you are trying to help me. Thank you.

I don't know anything about narcissism, other than it's about being self-centered and selfish. I presume that not everybody with narcissism kills their entire family. I don't know what symptoms to look for, so I asked a question.

Oh gosh, I promise it was 100% calm and rational tone! I'm definitely not yelling, I was just trying to explain why he comes across as NPD in a quite obvious way

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (the actual disorder, not someone who just likes to take a lot of selfies) is on the spectrum of sociopathy. In a very abbreviated description, a person with NPD doesn't feel emotions like we do. They lack empathy, see people as objects for their own means, and they can detach and discard people they previously claimed to love without ever looking back

But they're very very good at acting "normal". And they will "love" you for as long as they're getting something out of it.

 

[cottonweaver]

People who are given anti-depressants already have an underlying mental problem. Sometimes it is temporary, sometimes not. The anti-depressant doesn't "make" anyone kill someone. If that happens, it is because the anti-depressant wasn't working, was the incorrect medication for the underlying issue, was not being taken properly or was being abused by the patient.

This married father of 2, soon to be 3, had a lover. He may have also had a gay lover. He wasn't operating with a good head on his shoulders, he was making bad choices, ones that would crumble his marriage and break the hearts of his own kids, and may have been questioning his sexual preferences.

He was into himself, not his wife or his kids - just him - and his head was in a very wicked place.

Yeah, if all this ( and more?) turns out be true it sounds like he was imploding in some way. That's a heady mix in bold above. Was he getting into himself as you say ( eg co-worker affair etc) or was he even disintegrating? Virtually everything we were told at the start of the threads seems to be coming apart at the seams.

I am sure that if any pharmas of any type were involved we'll hear about it in the future.
We've had a lot of posters mention a range: steroid consumption as a poss, ( just cause I don't buy it personally doesn't mean I blow it out of the park, different strokes for different folks rec drugs too.

Will they have done rec drugs tests as standard after he went to Weld County does anyone know?

 

[MassGuy]

I’m still out on this issue. I don’t know what the dad said to CW (or vice versa) what if anything he told his son to do or not too, how much dad knows, etc. Also, who is paying for CW’s attorney? If CW were my son, he could use whatever money he has, but I’d be damned if I was going to liquidate my life savings or mortgage my house to pay for defending his actions. No way.

Many a parent has gone broke, funding the defense of a clearly guilty child. Parents can be blind when it comes to blood.

 

[MerryB]

I’m still out on this issue. I don’t know what the dad said to CW (or vice versa) what if anything he told his son to do or not too, how much dad knows, etc. Also, who is paying for CW’s attorney? If CW were my son, he could use whatever money he has, but I’d be damned if I was going to liquidate my life savings or mortgage my house to pay for defending his actions. No way.

CW has a public defender.

 

[sun16]

None of this will matter if he continues with the “wife did it” defense.

If he does a plea deal, there won’t be a trial, and we likely won’t know a lot of detail about what happened, right?

 

[sun16]

Many a parent has gone broke, funding the defense of a clearly guilty child. Parents can be blind when it comes to blood.

Ugh. Tough spot to be in, and to separate the emotion from the practical decision.

 

[Bill Carson]

Oh gosh, I promise it was 100% calm and rational tone! I'm definitely not yelling, I was just trying to explain why he comes across as NPD in a quite obvious way.

SBM.

Thank you again. It's so easy to get defensive here. ;-)

 

[sun16]

CW has a public defender.

Ah, I thought I had read that here somewhere. Thx.

 

[MassGuy]

If he does a plea deal, there won’t be a trial, and we likely won’t know a lot of detail about what happened, right?

We need a lawyer to chime in hear. I think it varies from state to state and the nature of the plea.

 

[Layla123]

I think we know why C.W. committed these murders, CW hated his life, he wanted out. We also know there is no justification for what he’s done. I do believe the plan to murder was premeditated by C.W., but when SW’s plane was delayed his perfect plan was thrown out of whack, but it was already in progress, so it was too late to turn back. I think that’s why we are so confused because this crime was half pre-planned and half by the seat of his pants. I’m not sure if killing the children was part of the original plan, but if he hadn’t planned on killing them, when events unfolded unexpectedly as they did, he must have felt he had no other option. I believe he wanted SW dead, he didn’t want to deal with her anymore, he didn’t want to co-parent the kids with her, and he didn’t want to share the profits from the the sale of the house with her. If NU hadn’t shown up, he just may have gotten away with it.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Anti-depressants do cause you to kill or commit suicide. Once such case is the Columbine killer. He was on them and there are Many other cases. That is why the pharm co. (won't name it) has over 3000 lawsuits against it for this. They make a balanced mind unbalanced in some individuals. Yes the pharm company has blood on their hands. You think they will take them off the market? NOO it's a money maker.

BUT he still knew right from wrong.

 

[katydid23]

It didn't get dark until 8:45 pm. So thats definitely an early bedtime for kids that age. Maybe a nap. But I doubt they would sleep through an entire night starting at 6:30pm.

My 3 yr old granddaughter has story time at 6:30, and lights out by 7, every night. She sleeps through the night, but only until around sunrise. lol But both parents get up early so it works for them.

 

[RickshawFan]

From Jennifer17 in previous thread:

"I just threw my hands in the air at the people here trying to put her and her children's deaths at her door because she was 'fake and phony' or 'she wore the pants' or 'she forced him into a life he didn't want' or every other reason she can be blamed."

I don't recall reading anything like this and I've been fairly current with the threads. Would you mind linking to specific posts to demonstrate your point? Where SW is getting blamed for murder or creating a situation where she would be murdered? In what post, for instance, does "fake and phony" become a context for blame? That SW's career was made a reason for CW's behavior? That "'forcing him into a life he didn't want'" set the stage for what happened?