CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #16

[katydid23]

Why say she probably took the kids and left while knowing the cops would see everything was still there?

I don't get that part.

What else could he say? Maybe someone killed them and carried them out the garage door?

 

[katydid23]

No. No. Antidepressants can in some cases cause a paradoxical reaction and increase depression and suicidal thoughts but they do not cause homicidal violence. Antidepressants save a lot more lives than they take. The FDA reports ANY adverse reaction, no matter how rare/common. And just because someone committed a violent act while on antidepressants does NOT mean they caused it. Please don’t demonize antidepressants. As I said, they save a lot of lives and even if CW happened to be on them, it would not in any way excuse what he did.

YES.

It is hard to link Antidepressants as the 'cause' of suicides/violence because it may just be linked because of depression in the subjects who are taking the drugs.

You take the drug in the 1st place because you feel depressed, upset, unable to cope. So those same feelings can cause one to commit suicide or homicide, in spite of the drugs being taken.

 

[MyBelle]

What delusions was he suffering from?

If CW did suffer a psychotic episode as someone else suggested, the image of SW strangling the child he claims he saw on the baby monitor may have been a hallucination that he believed was real and he needed to intervene. He may still believe this delusion. I think it is entirely possible CW has a mental illness.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

What else could he say? Maybe someone killed them and carried them out the garage door?[/

Maybe an abduction?
But all those cameras in the neighborhood wouldn’t make that believable.

And I think the gas can in his truck, which has at least a 26 gallon gas tank, was to set the crude on fire. Tank explosion.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

It certainly is. I hope the prosecution blows it up and puts it next to a pic of the caskets if there's a trial

I hope and pray that the prosecution is allowed to play these interviews for the jury. Sometimes the defense fights to keep media interviews out. I am sure they will fight hard to keep these out. The defendants life could depend upon it in this case.

 

[gregjrichards]

May Shan’ann, Bella, Celeste and Nico Rest In Peace.

I didn’t realise it was the funeral service today it is heartbreaking to see the three caskets in news articles.

 

[skyedaze]

Hi everyone. I've been lurking since day one of this horrible tragedy. I've wanted to post but to be honest, the threads have moved so fast I've had trouble keeping up and reading everyone's comments.

I am in NC, about 30 miles from where the funeral service was held today. I drove to Pinehurst this morning and arrived at the church at around 11:30 am. I didn't attend the service, I just felt compelled to at least go by the church since I'm so close. The three white hearses lined up in a row really made it real for me. I cannot describe to you what a sinking feeling I had as I passed by. It was just heartbreaking.

Thank you to everyone who has shared their thoughts on these threads for the last few days. I've enjoyed all of your posts.

How sad for that family. SW and the girls were just there. It must be so surreal for them. Thank you for sharing that. I'm glad you went by.

 

[PommyMommy]

I'm sure there will be a 2-hour 48 Hours or something similar. Hopefully it will be after the trial or sentencing, and we will know a whole lot more than we do now.

That, and I think that PommyMommy should write a book, don't you guys?

A book about...?

 

[ZsaZsa]

If CW did suffer a psychotic episode as someone else suggested, the image of SW strangling the child he claims he saw on the baby monitor may have been a hallucination that he believed was real and he needed to intervene. He may still believe this delusion. I think it is entirely possible CW has a mental illness.

Or he may just be trying to shift the blame onto his wife. Oh wait, he already did that. That would have to be a very brief and very convenient break with reality, to be perfectly normal within hours.

 

[Bill Carson]

Here's another article about drugs in the Texas oil patch, and there's a section about meth and murder near the bottom.

"Rising oil prices have brought more admissions for methamphetamine abuse, Thomason said.

"'People say they can work on it for 24 hours straight,' he said.

"Long shifts are common in the oil industry because expensive drilling equipment, often leased at high daily rates, runs through the night, and workers often have to commute to wells in remote locations."

How the cocaine and meth trade thrived during the Texas shale boom

Methamphetamine use can cause severe paranoia.

https://www.drugaddictiontreatment....ich-meth-users-are-most-at-risk-for-paranoia/

That reminds me of something I wanted say about CW's media interviews. I imagine that by the time he gave those interviews, CW had slept very little in the past 48 hours. He kept licking his lips, which is one of the telltale signs of stimulant use.

 

[Shahana]

Not victim blaming, but it is interesting to note the marriage dynamics, and how that could have contributed to the situation.

Frustration, financial crisis, wife spending more time traveling, he is playing at taking care of small children after work. And I think he may have been taking steroids, he really bulked up in a short period of time. Increased Testosterone levels can lead to rapid rage responses.

I don't see this as very well planned.

I wondered about steroids too, and if his employer's drug tested worker's for illicit substances. Here in Europe testing is widespread, from the police down to cafe waitresses, not that waitresses are the bottom of the pile.. far from it.

 

[Bluefield]

Totally. Re ur bold, It's a non sequitur to say that exploring factors = " excusing anything"

Otherwise let's start now and say we should embargo all discussion of PDs from hereon in.

So no discussion of "narc", nor sociopathy, nor that he might have some other subset because that must be excusing his crimes by saying he has as factor..................... a personality disorder

Let's stick to he's just evil and keep it simple.

How will that fly? I don't think it would be popular.

Any medications, street drugs or supplements he was taking (or discontinuing) will definetly be brought up by defense if they believe they played ANY role in his state of mind before, during and after the murders.
The prosecution knows that and it'll be their job to prove none of that had any bearing on his behaviour.

 

[MyBelle]

While we're on the subject of substances, something we haven't discussed AFAIK is the possibility that CW was doing drugs. If he was seeking out casual gay sex, it wouldn't surprise me if there were drugs involved, too. Plus, he worked in the oilfield, which is notorious for drug use.

I did find this local article that talks about the concern about drugs in the expanding oilfield near Greeley, Colorado, which is just north of Frederick. Company representatives from Anadarko are quoted in the article.

Zero tolerance for drugs in the oilfield

Thanks for the link. I had no idea that those oilfields were notorious for drug use. There is so much about CW that we really don't know.

 

[stereopticons]

If CW did suffer a psychotic episode as someone else suggested, the image of SW strangling the child he claims he saw on the baby monitor may have been a hallucination that he believed was real and he needed to intervene. He may still believe this delusion. I think it is entirely possible CW has a mental illness.

Typically, people experiencing a psychotic episode exhibit noticeably strange behavior in public. It’s not something he could hide easily if he were actively psychotic—he would not be able to calmly hold interviews with media. It’s possible (though unlikely) that he was suffering a delusion at the time of the murders but “came to” and had to hide what he did, but as far as we know, he’s never shown any evidence of a psychotic disorder prior to this and he’s a little old for onset with no prior indication.

 

[Bill Carson]

The prosecution knows that and it'll be their job to prove none of that had any bearing on his behaviour.

Well, but illicit drug use could become part of the prosecution's case. I think it would increase his culpability.

 

[DexterMorgan]

She said CW was a stalker and way too persistent at first. But then she acted like he was the glue and rock of the family.

So he definitely thought he got her under his spell. But clearly snapped once he seen she was still independent without him.

Plus remember she said that she loves her job because she could work from anywhere. She said it while visiting her family for 6 weeks with the kids.

So this told him that she can do it without him and he snapped. Jmo.

He was persistent and a semi stalker and they never change their colors. Jmo.

 

[Shahana]

I have never posted before but was wondering if the facts rule out my scenario. First, remember that kids that small are a handful and he was alone Sunday night taking care of them. Could he have snapped on one of the kids and accidentally (with or without malice) killed one of the girls and then decided that he would (irrationally) try to get away with it by sacrificing the rest of the family.? Could he be that much of a narcissist , or that scared, or come to the warped conclusion that Shanann and the living child would be somehow be protected in a sick way from what had happened, His twisted thinking that night as a result of rage/adrenaline/fear/drugs after he killed his own child. Whether it was an accident or not, life and consequences after that will be hell. Then the bodies were taken to the burial site on Sunday night? Then the obvious subsequent actions, i.e Shannan. I admit to not reading everything so just ignore my ignorance but this was my first thought when I heard about this case. People react in irrational and unexplainable ways under duress. That maybe lovers, financials are inconsequential. Is this at all possible? But that said, he's probable a .

If he was pumped up on some or other substance, flirting on his phone and the kids were acting up because Mommy wasn't there controlling them, quite possible I suppose. He could have lost his temper and struck out, not meaning... well you can imagine the rest.

 

[MyBelle]

Typically, people experiencing a psychotic episode exhibit noticeably strange behavior in public. It’s not something he could hide easily if he were actively psychotic—he would not be able to calmly hold interviews with media. It’s possible (though unlikely) that he was suffering a delusion at the time of the murders but “came to” and had to hide what he did, but as far as we know, he’s never shown any evidence of a psychotic disorder prior to this and he’s a little old for onset with no prior indication.

We, the public, have no evidence whatsoever but that doesn't mean such evidence doesn't exist. He may have been on medication for a mental illness and decided to stop taking it because he thought he didn't need it anymore. We just don't know.

 

[borndem]

I wasn't blaming the vitamins, I just think that someone with a pharmacological background should look into what CW specifically was taking (and that could include the Thrive patches, other supplements, prescription medication, OTC medication, and other controlled substances) that might have caused him to be quick tempered or especially irritable. We know from the advertising claims that the patches gave users incredible amounts of energy, so there might be some form of stimulant, even if this is caffeine. Or the energy could come from changes in metabolism from eating fewer carbs and exercise.

I am certainly not a pharmacist, chemist, nutritionist or doctor, but here is what I found about Thrive patches. It includes text about the Thrive ingredients. Interesting and easy to read.
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[human]

Since they went bankrupt, what bills do they have? Is the house loan rewritten? The credit card bills would be gone.

If they had the income they claimed they made including her Thrive, what were they doing with the money?

Did he have his own fun money account?