CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #16

[Bill Carson]

I hope SWs family has someone who can go to Colorado and box up the items they want. It’s difficult enough when it’s a natural death.

One of the hardest weekends of my life was flying to Boulder to clean out an apartment and box up and ship/donate the possessions of a 21 year old. Not my child.

When dealing with the ME office, they told me if would be 4-6 weeks weeks to get the “results” back. I got the call on day 29.

I hope they have someone to do this for them.

I am so sorry that you had to do that. I cannot imagine your grief.

 

[kkdj]

Good point human...maybe he put SW in the shallow grave and then was going to move her...to another tank at another site. Her plane coming in late threw his whole plan off.

I do think that he disposed of the two girls in separate tanks thinking their bodies would decompose quicker than placing them in one tank...and he did it before SW came home.

It's possible he was going to move SW that day during or after work but NU blew his plan as she was calling the police so he had to leave work and come home immediately. Hard to say what his plan was for calling them in missing or even if he was going to do that ever. His story was going to be that she left him with the girls period. imo

 

[JDough]

I'm not sure that hookup stories will be allowed in the courtroom--what's the phrase? More prejudicial than probative?(I think that Scott Peterson's mistress was allowed--but the exact circumstances were different.)

Could this not show some form of motive? I honestly don't know the answer to this question. Perhaps @gitana1 may?

 

[DexterMorgan]

It's possible he was going to move SW that day during or after work but NU blew his plan as she was calling the police so he had to leave work and come home immediately. Hard to say what his plan was for calling them in missing or even if he was going to do that ever. His story was going to be that she left him with the girls period. imo

He would need to know when his neighbors camera feed overlaps. Because it would be impossible to show her and the kids leaving. It would only show him moving her car at some point.

So he clearly didn't think this through at all.

 

[Jennifer17]

It's possible he was going to move SW that day during or after work but NU blew his plan as she was calling the police so he had to leave work and come home immediately. Hard to say what his plan was for calling them in missing or even if he was going to do that ever. His story was going to be that she left him with the girls period. imo

Good point. I can see that he might have thought that he would not report her missing, just tell friends and family that she left him. At some point though, I think that her family would have wanted the disappearances investigated.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[nwmouse]

Good point human...maybe he put SW in the shallow grave and then was going to move her...to another tank at another site. Her plane coming in late threw his whole plan off.

I do think that he disposed of the two girls in separate tanks thinking their bodies would decompose quicker than placing them in one tank...and he did it before SW came home.

That's an interesting theory, that he disposed of the girls before she got home...

 

[pocketaccent]

He said he text her after he left the house that morning. Her phone was still in their loft. Her pings would have shown her phone never left the house. Plus it would show she never called nor texted anyone while he was at work.

Then he would probably have said they may have been abducted from the home while he was at work.

But the neighbors camera would have shown that to be impossible.

So this guy was screwed anyway we look at it. Jmo.

A child could have constructed the murder plan better than CW had. How can a grown man be so clueless. There were too many holes in the plan if he actually pre planned. He killed, got rid of the bodies, he fibbed, then BOOM!, there's scent dogs, helicopters, drone searches, media trucks...he was totally caught off guard.

I'm starting to think if this crime was more spontaneously committed rather than carefully planned, though killing three people in succession and doing it by strangulation has premeditation built into it. So with only limited information we have, I think he may very well have snapped when SW arrived at home, then decided to kill all his family.

 

[tmar]

With CW leaving things around, after the killings:
A couple of times, when very upset over major incidents, (the major problem always on my mind) while I am driving on the road, to carry out an important task, I get utterly lost.
I just seem to forget, why I have set out, what was I to do.
I have been to the area/site/appointment loads of times before, but my mind goes blank, don't know where to turn, the number of the house, time of appointment, day!!!!
I am a professional, have qualifications, am sensible etc.

I return home, as flustered. After, a little while, I remember 'what I set out to do'.
I do not take drugs, am not on any medication, don't drink alcohol.
As worried, my memory was tested, and I am fine.

Could CW have been in such an agitated state, after these killings, his mind was a mess, forgetting tasks/clean up/what to do next?
Then with time, he thinks of answers to his actions: in this case, a 'cover up' and some sort of explanation.
The 'clean up' was stopped due to SW's friend calling LE.

 

[katydid23]

He cannot get life insurance without bodies. They have to be declared dead.

I wonder if he wanted SW found or did he run out of time?

Digging is hard work, though. What kind of soil is there? It looks sandy

If he wanted her found so he could claim the insurance, burying her on his work site was pretty asinine.

 

[Harriet Vane]

If he was taking antidepressants, then he had to be under the care of a psychiatrist. I don’t know if it is a requirement, but I do know that dna tests are done on males to determine the best meds for them to take, or if it’s likely they will have an adverse violent reaction.

Everything I have read about DNA testing for antidepressants suggests that it is of limited benefit, and anyway is to establish which drugs will work best and have fewest side effects. Nothing specific about violent reactions in males. I’d be interested to see any research that does mention violent reactions though.

 

[Herat]

He didn’t have 2 hours. He left at 5:27am. The oil field was 40 miles from his house. You have to take away at least 40 minutes to get there. Then he had to dig the grave. How long would that take? Expert on AB said 30 minutes to dig 3’ grave. I asked my husband, he said it would take him an hour.

Unless he had pre-dug the grave (which I doubt), I'll bet the grave was much more shallow - more like less than 2 feet deep.

I think he was clearly going to come back later and try again to get her into one of the tanks.

 

[Jennifer17]

Unless he had pre-dug the grave (which I doubt), I'll bet the grave was much more shallow - more like less than 2 feet deep.

I think he was clearly going to come back later and try again to get her into one of the tanks.

I think so too.

 

[Herat]

Good point human...maybe he put SW in the shallow grave and then was going to move her...to another tank at another site. Her plane coming in late threw his whole plan off.

I do think that he disposed of the two girls in separate tanks thinking their bodies would decompose quicker than placing them in one tank...and he did it before SW came home.

The LE affidavit, however, states that he put "the bodies into the back seat of the truck" when he left that morning. Bodies, plural, so according to the information they had when charging him, LE felt all 3 bodies were taken to the oil well at the same time

 

[Bill Carson]

I keep seeing this image in news reports about this case, but I don't think it has anything to do with this case.

Do you guys recognize the picture? It looks like a trackhoe digging a ditch. The caption says, "The oil field where the bodies were found near the family's Frederick home." Well, for one, the oil field where the bodies were found was 40 miles away! I wouldn't call that "near the family's Frederick home." I think this photo is completely unrelated to the Watts case. Thoughts?

 

[BabyButterfly]

The LE affidavit, however, states that he put "the bodies into the back seat of the truck" when he left that morning. Bodies, plural, so according to the information they had when charging him, LE felt all 3 bodies were taken to the oil well at the same time

It doesn't necessarily say all at the same time, as far as I remember. My thinking is girls first, wife later.

 

[stereopticons]

Everything I have read about DNA testing for antidepressants suggests that it is of limited benefit, and anyway is to establish which drugs will work best and have fewest side effects. Nothing specific about violent reactions in males. I’d be interested to see any research that does mention violent reactions though.

Not sure if we should even keep discussing this because it’s really not germane to the case, but DNA testing for the best treatment is still in its infancy and not widely used, and certainly not for “violent reactions”.

We don’t know if CW was taking antidepressants (or anything besides Thrive) but IMO it’s extremely unlikely that antidepressants in some way caused this tragic event. Between 10 and 13% of Americans take antidepressants daily, which is 32 million! An increase in suicidal thoughts occurs in less than 1%, and violent behavior as a result of antidepressants is even less common.

I know we all want to understand WHY this happened, and we are grasping at any and all speculation to try to understand. But demonizing antidepressants actually harms people by making them less likely to seek help.

 

[Herat]

Where I live GPs can and do prescribe antidepressants.

I had a BF who was a GP. The bane of his existence was patients wanting antidepressants and/or narcotics. He worked with many clinic MD's and Nurse Practitioners who would just give them the antidepressants without getting them into a psychiatrist, as it was really difficult to get appts for them and they would just come back with the same request before they ever got a mental health appt. Then the next appt someone would just renew the Rx. Rinse & repeat. Insurances or Medicaid don't mind paying for Rx, they just don't want to pay for mental health care

 

[katydid23]

I’m trying to figure out if he was assigned to the area where they were found, or if he just went out there on his own.

That is the basic question I was trying to ask my sis-in-law, about my nephew. He has the same job description for Texas oil company. [numerous fields/sites]

According to her description, her son pretty much chooses where he goes each day, because he has a general list of jobs to do at each location. The only time he is assigned a location is if there is a major job that everyone needs to be working on together, or if there is a sudden emergency that needs to be addressed.

Otherwise, he decides for himself, what maintenance/repair needs to be done and in what order. He just needs to make lots of daily reports to explain where he was and what he did, turned in at the end of each week.


So I think that CW had some freedom to go where he wanted that day, JMO