CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #17

[Allabouttrial]

Somewhere around August 21st I made a lengthy post about body temps, color, and lividity. My son had been gone for 2-3 hours before we found him. He did not start turning blue until after the paramedics came and took him to the hospital.

Sorry I must have missed that one.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I'd google it, but I'm afraid something I'd click on would have photos and I just want to read, not see.

No your good no pics. came up for me.

 

[PommyMommy]

Are you 100% on that? Because it's a question I've wanted to ask of any medical professionals we have following the thread.

Everything I have found on the subject seems to say the same so must be. I thought maybe I'm missing something because I haven't seen it come up at all in the threads.

Hour 1
At the moment of death, all of the muscles in the body relax, a state called primary flaccidity. Eyelids lose their tension, the pupils dilate, the jaw might fall open, and the body's joints and limbs are flexible. With the loss of tension in the muscles, the skin will sag, which can cause prominent joints and bones in the body, such as the jaw or hips, to become pronounced.

The human heart beats more than 2.5 billion times during the average human lifespan, circulating about 5.6 liters (6 quarts) of blood through the circulatory system. Within minutes of the heart-stopping, a process called pallor mortis causes the usually pinkish tone of a Caucasian person to grow pale as blood drains from the smaller veins in the skin.

Hours 2 to 6
Because the heart no longer pumps blood, gravity begins to pull it to the areas of the body closest to the ground (pooling), a process called livor mortis. If the body remains undisturbed long enough (several hours), the parts of the body nearest the ground can develop a reddish-purple discoloration (resembling a bruise) from the accumulating blood. Embalmers sometimes refer to this as the "postmortem stain."

Beginning approximately in the third hour after death, again depending upon numerous factors, chemical changes within the body's cells cause all of the muscles to begin stiffening. Known as rigor mortis, the first muscles affected include the eyelids, jaw, and neck. Over the next several hours, rigor mortis spreads up into the face and down through the chest, abdomen, arms, and legs until it reaches the fingers and toes.

The Physical Changes After Death

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[mtnlites]

Sorry I must have missed that one.

Board moves super fast! I thought I had just missed one on Fentanyl abuse.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Hour 1
At the moment of death, all of the muscles in the body relax, a state called primary flaccidity. Eyelids lose their tension, the pupils dilate, the jaw might fall open, and the body's joints and limbs are flexible. With the loss of tension in the muscles, the skin will sag, which can cause prominent joints and bones in the body, such as the jaw or hips, to become pronounced.

The human heart beats more than 2.5 billion times during the average human lifespan, circulating about 5.6 liters (6 quarts) of blood through the circulatory system. Within minutes of the heart-stopping, a process called pallor mortis causes the usually pinkish tone of a Caucasian person to grow pale as blood drains from the smaller veins in the skin.

Hours 2 to 6
Because the heart no longer pumps blood, gravity begins to pull it to the areas of the body closest to the ground (pooling), a process called livor mortis. If the body remains undisturbed long enough (several hours), the parts of the body nearest the ground can develop a reddish-purple discoloration (resembling a bruise) from the accumulating blood. Embalmers sometimes refer to this as the "postmortem stain."

Beginning approximately in the third hour after death, again depending upon numerous factors, chemical changes within the body's cells cause all of the muscles to begin stiffening. Known as rigor mortis, the first muscles affected include the eyelids, jaw, and neck. Over the next several hours, rigor mortis spreads up into the face and down through the chest, abdomen, arms, and legs until it reaches the fingers and toes.

The Physical Changes After Death

(Both sections from the article have been snipped by me for focus.)

Thank you!

 

[MassGuy]

I think I would be more inclined to believe aliens did it than his BS story...

Haaa. I concur.

 

[Gardenista]

Hour 1
At the moment of death, all of the muscles in the body relax, a state called primary flaccidity. Eyelids lose their tension, the pupils dilate, the jaw might fall open, and the body's joints and limbs are flexible. With the loss of tension in the muscles, the skin will sag, which can cause prominent joints and bones in the body, such as the jaw or hips, to become pronounced.

The human heart beats more than 2.5 billion times during the average human lifespan, circulating about 5.6 liters (6 quarts) of blood through the circulatory system. Within minutes of the heart-stopping, a process called pallor mortis causes the usually pinkish tone of a Caucasian person to grow pale as blood drains from the smaller veins in the skin.

Hours 2 to 6
Because the heart no longer pumps blood, gravity begins to pull it to the areas of the body closest to the ground (pooling), a process called livor mortis. If the body remains undisturbed long enough (several hours), the parts of the body nearest the ground can develop a reddish-purple discoloration (resembling a bruise) from the accumulating blood. Embalmers sometimes refer to this as the "postmortem stain."

Beginning approximately in the third hour after death, again depending upon numerous factors, chemical changes within the body's cells cause all of the muscles to begin stiffening. Known as rigor mortis, the first muscles affected include the eyelids, jaw, and neck. Over the next several hours, rigor mortis spreads up into the face and down through the chest, abdomen, arms, and legs until it reaches the fingers and toes.

The Physical Changes After Death

(Both sections from the article have been snipped by me for focus.)

Is this for a strangulation death?

 

[passionflower]

Lord knows the answers to your questions, but the showdown happened the night she was murdered, and once again, only C.W. knows what happened.

Would be great if they had something like Echo Alexis that listens contstantly! Wasn't it open in another murder case last year?

 

[cottonweaver]

I guess this all depends on the COL you’re used to. I live in a high COL area and I think $140k combined is pretty low for a $3k monthly mortgage. Even with taxes included in the payment.

High for their job titles, as in my OP

 

[bears10]

High for their job titles, as in my OP

Sorry I meant to reply to a different post, but couldn’t go back and fix it at that point. The site is glitching for me tonight.

I’m still not clear at all on what he did for a living. It’s probably been hashed out but if anyone wants to ELI5 his job I’d be very grateful.

 

[Layla123]

I’m just going to put this out there for what it’s worth, maybe nothing. I marinate cut up chicken for bbq in lemon juice, olive oil, garlic, onion, salt, & pepper. Sometimes for as long as 3 days, when I know the chicken is fresh. Never have I noticed any deterioration of the meat, and always salt & pepper are visible on the outer skin when I remove it from the Ziplock bag. I use the same marinade for bbq shrimp, and do notice the lemon juice changes the color of the shrimp, almost immediately, but the meat is fine. Because of this I do think the girls bodies did not deteriorate in that oil, and if my salt & pepper sticks, doesn’t that mean that the DNA might stick, too? Or is my chemical composition so different, there’s no comparison?

 

[PommyMommy]

Is this for a strangulation death?

Oh, no it isn't...just death in general.

 

[bears10]

I’m just going to put this out there for what it’s worth, maybe nothing. I marinate cut up chicken for bbq in lemon juice, olive oil, garlic, onion, salt, & pepper. Sometimes for as long as 3 days, when I know the chicken is fresh. Never have I noticed any deterioration of the meat, and always salt & pepper are visible on the outer skin when I remove it from the Ziplock bag. I use the same marinade for bbq shrimp, and do notice the lemon juice changes the color of the shrimp, almost immediately, but the meat is fine. Because of this I do think the girls bodies did not deteriorate in that oil, and if my salt & pepper sticks, doesn’t that mean that the DNA might stick, too? Or is my chemical composition so different, there’s no comparison?

Off to the kitchen to throw away the chicken I currently have marinating lol

 

[Sillybilly]

Please don't pull things out of thin air. Speculation must be based on some known fact, and there is nothing to substantiate the speculation that either SW or CW were involved in illegal drugs.

Please move on from that type of speculation.

Thanks.

 

[passionflower]

When will coroner reports be made public? Or can they be sealed til trial? Will we have to wait til Nov date? Anyone know? Seems we knew more in other cases.

 

[borndem]

New to me from AB today:
1. There is a camera on top of the oil tanks where the girls were dumped. The location was monitored by camera 24/7. CW probably knew, and it’s possible that he covered the cameras, and that alone would be interesting
3. We don’t know if SW was buried with wedding rings, but would be very interesting if they weren’t on her finger.
4. DA has not been informed, as of today, what the COD is.
5. At least 98% of the info on CW’s phone will be retrievable through various methods.
6. More than 400 purple ribbons in honor of SW, BW, and C.W. have been lovingly placed around the town Frederick by volunteers.
7. Co-worker AP is not suspected of any wrongdoing.
8. If the death penalty is on the table, jurors must be screened to find out if they were able to impose the DP, but studies have shown that jurors who are able to are more prosecution leaning and more likely to render a guilty verdict.
9. If SW didn’t leave a will, in CO state law says CW would inherit entire estate. After conviction, that would change.

What estate? With them owing what they did, I don't see anyone getting anything -- and what a sad situation WRT the inheritors. The little family is gone except for the suspect and a 2nd tier of inheritors. It just makes me want to cry for the folks she/they left behind. Unimaginable.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Trying to think of a plausible scenario whereby CW would snap causing a domino affect to occur.
CW had many weeks of freedom while SW was in NC with the girls to do as he wanted and when he wanted. CW could see his AP anytime and he come and go as he pleased. No responsibilities or consequences.
CW was known to go to a gym for workouts.
There are several 24 hour gyms in the area.
What if CW would often tell SW that he was going to the gym but in fact he was going to see his AP?
What if because CW had the girls for the whole time SW was in AZ, that he planned on going to the gym when SW returned from her trip since they are open 24 hours a day and he could get away.
Maybe CW was going to actually go to the gym or maybe he was using the gym as a rouse to see his AP .
So that evening, CW learns of the delay in SW's flight. Maybe he had plans with the AP that evening. Maybe the AP was putting demands on CW's time that weekend since he had the girls for the entire duration. Maybe the AP was getting accustomed to seeing CW more often when SW was in NC.
Maybe something snapped inside CW that night because he felt he was entitled to his freedom away from SW and his daughters and he felt threatened that he was going to lose that freedom.

.

 

[MerryB]

What estate? With them owing what they did, I don't see anyone getting anything -- and what a sad situation WRT the inheritors. The little family is gone except for the suspect and a 2nd tier of inheritors. It just makes me want to cry for the folks she/they left behind. Unimaginable.

Good point. And there’s clearly no savings or else CW wouldn’t have a public defender.

 

[BUF]

Hello there , haven't been on this site in a long time but this case is so upsetting and mind boggling. Mind boggling because ;A) Who in their right mind would ever conceive let alone do something like this and B) How did he think he could get away with this.
When I first read Shanann and the girls were missing I looked through her FB and Insta accounts to get a feel for who she was . Immediately I knew there was no way she'd leave in those circumstances and then after seeing his interviews with the media , there was no doubt who was responsible - CW. After looking at many of the videos , you could see a decline of interaction between them . SW was definitely all about the girls and the business at the end and I think that was because CW was reluctant to be seen in the videos. One sticks out in my mind where SW is filming the girls and says something to CW , who is just out of shot and he answers "I don't want to be in this" and SW replies "you're not but just get ...". I think he was tired of all the posting and staging and with his new self confidence and ego ( thanks to his muscular physique) wanted a less demanding life.
This case clearly demonstrates the evils of Social Media - over exposure and unrealistic displays but also how Social Media will probably help in his conviction.My heart breaks at the loss of a beautiful young mother and her babies . All she wanted was the best life possible for all of them.
Keep up the good work Websleuthers !!!!

Glad you are back. You brought up a good point about CW not wanting to be involved in the videos...could it be that one (or some) of his liaisons might see him in these videos on SM with wife and children?

 

[Layla123]

When will coroner reports be made public? Or can they be sealed til trial? Will we have to wait til Nov date? Anyone know? Seems we knew more in other cases.

The DA hasn’t even received them yet, according to AB as of today. They may or may not make the results public. I’m curious if LE tells the family everything. Will they be told the COD if they decide to keep it from the public?