CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #18

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  • #601
I am afraid he is going to get some advice from jail house lawyers and say something like this:

I lied when I said my wife killed the girls. I was out of my mind with shock and grief. I was desperate.

The truth is, I was taking a supplement that had very bad side effects. I couldn't sleep or eat. I was going off the deep end, hallucinating and I didn't realize what was happening to me. I was erratic and irrational.

I ask for mercy because I have no idea how I could have done that to my family, that I loved so much.

Oh I think he's going to stick. But he may add that his reaction was murder and then odd because he was on stuff. But I predict he won't back down from his SW did it defense at this point. And this is a 180 for me. At first I thought he'd plead guilty after negotiation.

And you know, reading here the last few weeks and looking at some of the Facebooks groups devoted to the case- it might be a winning theory for him.

Despite the absolutely illogical, nonsensical story with no evidence to support it, and extremely powerful circumstantial evidence to support his complete guilt, people are willing to contort in various was and come up with all sorts of utterly baseless scenarios, that blame SW for her own death and/or that of her children.

It's odd. Some of those same people will deny the existence of the huge amount of actual evidence we know exists in this case, saying it's not evidence at all or it's circumstantial so it's irrelevant, and then they flail away with theories that have zero basis in anything at all.

What concerns me is I see a strong desire to excuse or protect CW among many. Some have clearly stated it's because they're dads too and can't see a dad doing that. Others have stated they've seen videos of him being a dad and there's no way. Some have said simply they can't imagine any father doing such a thing.

I think many see him as an attractive, middle class man and attractive, less poor defendants always fare much better in the criminal justice system. Juries tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.

And then there's SW. The resentment I've seen from people about this attractive, mother of two who seemed to have it all, is pretty incredible. And this is despite the fact that she was murdered.

People seem to resent her for being attractive and having a nice house, two beautiful kids and a life filled with trips. I've seen many scolding posts about how they had no business having a house that nice, for example and how she lived beyond her means.

But much of the antipathy comes from the way she portrayed herself on social media.

We all have seen studies about how social media causes depression because people feel they don't measure up. Of course most people don't post the bad stuff, simply because they don't want to be seen as downers. But regardless, people see others' happy posts and feel bad.

That creates anger toward those who display such happy social media lives. We've seen that in SW's own circle. A male friend of hers said he felt so bad about his own life due to SW's constantly happy posts that he "had to block her". What? Just get off social media! Or unfollow! You block people who do something wrong. Not because you're envious of their lives.

But it seems people really connect their own unhappiness with the "perfect" lives displayed by some on social media. And that builds anger.

I've seen so much of that against SW. She looks insane. (She has crazy eyes). She's forced her husband to display his private life against his will, on social media (even though people say his was exactly like hers). She's a phony, fake perfectionist. She must have been a controlling shrew. Her perfect closets clearly show she's has borderline personality disorder. Etc.

And I think his defense team is well aware of the attitudes out there and they're going to exploit that for all it's worth.

I say he sticks with his monstrous and ridiculous theory and I fear there are enough people who like him and hate her, that will believe it.
 
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  • #602
What culture would you come from to think that being dumped in oil is preferable to being buried and why would he bury his wife if burying was so objectionable?
Not really sure of your question...
but some cultures burned bodies, others buried, others placed on platforms, others left where/how they died, etc
I tend to look at it as when you are dead you are dead.
He kind of didn't bury his wife anyway... mostly just covering her with dirt. No respect any way he would have done it.
 
  • #603
Would putting them in a shallow grave too be (I don't know what word to use)... better?
Burning? Every way is absolutely evil considering they were his children/wife.
I don't really get the significance of the tanks but I understand the anger.
Panicked, nowhere to turn, nowhere to go, no believable story, NO right to do what he did.
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Yes, burying them would be better. There are cultural norms of how we dispose of bodies of anyone, and especially for our loved ones. We don't dump them in oil vats at an industrial site and walk away.

If he had buried them, it would still be HORRENDOUS that he murdered his children, but dumping in oil is worse as it shows disregard for the people he dumped, IMO. Does it make it a "worse" murder...no.

I think the dumping in oil reflects on his character - but yes, burying murdered children is also bad. And, I think dumping children in oil is going to disgust the jury.

jmo
 
  • #604
Everybody keeps going on about the tanks. Everything he did was horrible.
He couldn't take then anywhere else IMO. Everywhere he went was going to be known that day.

Putting the bodies in bags and disposing of them was going to be horrible any way you/I look at it.
Would putting them in a shallow grave too be (I don't know what word to use)... better?
Burning? Every way is absolutely evil considering they were his children/wife.
I don't really get the significance of the tanks but I understand the anger.
Panicked, nowhere to turn, nowhere to go, no believable story, NO right to do what he did.

I don't know. I think it's as bad as burning or throwing in a garbage dump. People have been outraged by family annihilators who've done stuff like that.

Just a regular burial or even disposal in abody of water (which apparently is common with parents who murder their kids), seems less offensive than stuffing their bodies in two separate oil tanks.

It was a smart thought, though. Unless he knew of cameras or GPS tracking. If not for that and his wife who came home late he might've been able to successfully hide the bodies forever.
 
  • #605
Fascinating to me how these killers go on interviews and such lying like a Persian rug... with zero remorse.
They must enjoy it... because it is one of the stupidest things they could possibly do at that time.
I have known people that enjoy lying... mostly to just get a reaction out of you. Good or bad.
But lying and just putting information/evidence into the public is just plain dumb. Gracious sake.

Yeah but I think they believe if they don't talk to the media, people close to them will think they've done something wrong. They're trying to act innocent.
 
  • #606
What culture would you come from to think that being dumped in oil is preferable to being buried and why would he bury his wife if burying was so objectionable?
I think I explained in my posting. It is a personal preference how one wishes to be disposed of. Personally, I can think of nothing worse than to be buried. It could also be the case, that crude oil isnt as horrific as one would initially think. It could be the case that CW was familiar with what grade of crude was in the tank and thought it would be a better option for the girls, than burying them. JMO
 
  • #607
It's really scary to think of how different this might have turned out had fate not intervened a few times.

If SW's plane not been hours late, and had NUA not been such a good friend with sharp instincts, there is a good chance he would have had the time needed to cover his tracks better. I think he killed the girls right after bedtime, before the plane was initially supposed to land. Dispose of the sheets, her purse and phone, keys, hide her body again. I think he was going to go back when he had more time because his original plan was to dump her in a tank and he couldn't get her up there.

I can't bear the thought of those babies in the tanks forever. That video really accentuates just how very remote it is out there. They may never have found any of them. He may not have considered the cadaver dogs or neighbor's cameras, etc. but with more time he might have thought no bodies no crime.

I don't know if he'll make it to trial without committing suicide. 23 hrs a day with no books, no tv, nothing... just staring at walls. Withdrawing from caffeine & heaven knows what supplements or substances. Deflates the arrogance a bit, I'd think.

Except didn't LE find the location before he confessed? I'm not sure on those details.
 
  • #608
Except didn't LE find the location before he confessed? I'm not sure on those details.

They did! They did a drone search and spotted the bed sheet and fresh movement of dirt.
 
  • #609
I also can't figure out why he didn't do more around the house. Why not have everything at least organized to dispose of? I wonder if he was going to stick with a family kidnapping story originally.
Another thing could be the killing of SW happened a lot closer to the time he needed to leave for work. So no time.
I can't imagine him just sitting around from around 2am (SW home) until leaving for work around 5am. What the heck would he have been doing if he killed her right when she got home?
I am starting to think she crashed on the sofa... and he wiped everyone out closer to 5am... but still pondering.

Panic. He had killed the girls (IMO), and had expected to quickly kill his wife. Now she is not home. He probably started freaking out. Checking the flight times over and over. Texting her repeatedly.

Imagine if her flight was delayed until the next morning. "Oh let me say good morning to the babies! I can Skype with them from the terminal!"
 
  • #610
I also can't figure out why he didn't do more around the house. Why not have everything at least organized to dispose of? I wonder if he was going to stick with a family kidnapping story originally.
Another thing could be the killing of SW happened a lot closer to the time he needed to leave for work. So no time.
I can't imagine him just sitting around from around 2am (SW home) until leaving for work around 5am. What the heck would he have been doing if he killed her right when she got home?
I am starting to think she crashed on the sofa... and he wiped everyone out closer to 5am... but still pondering.
I'm starting to think along the same lines...
 
  • #611
CW had to gain access somehow. Once SW and the girls went missing, one of the 1st things LE would have done would've been to verify CW was where he said he was (work). Anadarko was most likely able to confirm his whereabouts, whether from a clocking-in type system, ID badge scan, or verified key entry to the work site. Once that was confirmed, a cursory overhead search (drone) would've easily spotted the sheet and the freshly turned ground (grave).


Doubtful. Most remote job sites are protected by a gate and padlock at most. If Anadarko provided his work location it most likely came from a company GPS tracker in his truck.
 
  • #612
I think I explained in my posting. It is a personal preference how one wishes to be disposed of. Personally, I can think of nothing worse than to be buried. It could also be the case, that crude oil isnt as horrific as one would initially think. It could be the case that CW was familiar with what grade of crude was in the tank and thought it would be a better option for the girls, than burying them. JMO
You may believe that but it is too much of a stretch for me to. Does the grade of dirty black oil matter? And because you would hate to be buried does not matter, those little girls were not given the choice.
 
  • #613
Yeah but I think they believe if they don't talk to the media, people close to them will think they've done something wrong. They're trying to act innocent.
The 'I am too distraught to talk to anyone' might be a better idea.
 
  • #614
I don't think CW gave one thought about where he put his children's remains as being respectful or not. His only consideration imo was hiding them well to cover his own ***.
 
  • #615
The 'I am too distraught to talk to anyone' might be a better idea.
But he wanted the public think they had just had an emotional discussion and she left with the girls and he wasn't really worried about them imo. I don't think the media coming into play was something he was counting on just yet. Things did not unfold as he had planned. Darn his wife's friend stopping by and calling the police......
 
  • #616
Panic. He had killed the girls (IMO), and had expected to quickly kill his wife. Now she is not home. He probably started freaking out. Checking the flight times over and over. Texting her repeatedly.

Imagine if her flight was delayed until the next morning. "Oh let me say good morning to the babies! I can Skype with them from the terminal!"

But if he killed her shortly after she arrived home... it still gives him at least 2 hours of sitting there doing nothing as far as I can tell.

Maybe he made a 'move' on her some time later, she declined (for probably many reasons we now see)
and it started then.
I am still conflicted about the timing of when he killed everyone. Maybe 4am WAS a turning point or time of death. That would better explain the lack of him doing anything to cover up what happened... except loading them into the truck. I am a little stumped on that.
 
  • #617
Great thank you! It is important and I found it while searching the company website looking to see if they had roving security patrol for the oil tanks.
I found a link that shows they have 24/7 personal and tanks have level senors. So do the company trucks.
So if those tanks are included in this link than when the level changed, immediately alarms would have gone off and on a screen a person would have seen in real time a breach in that tank and action would have been taken at that time.

No way a tank that holds tens of thousands of gallons would be so sensitive the mass of a child would trigger an alarm.
 
  • #618
You may believe that but it is too much of a stretch for me to. Does the grade of dirty black oil matter? And because you would hate to be buried does not matter, those little girls were not given the choice.
yes, it does, because not all crude oil is 'dirty; and 'black'.
 
  • #619
But he wanted the public think they had just had an emotional discussion and she left with the girls and he wasn't really worried about them imo. I don't think the media coming into play was something he was counting on just yet. Things did not unfold as he had planned. Darn his wife's friend stopping by and calling the police......

BUT she couldn't have left without her/their stuff.
 
  • #620
The 'I am too distraught to talk to anyone' might be a better idea.

Yes. Especially considering how that's common for people who actually are innocent and suffering a loss. They don't want to talk.

But I don't want to give any future murderers any ideas!!!
 
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