CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #18

[Madison418]

I also can't figure out why he didn't do more around the house. Why not have everything at least organized to dispose of? I wonder if he was going to stick with a family kidnapping story originally.
Another thing could be the killing of SW happened a lot closer to the time he needed to leave for work. So no time.
I can't imagine him just sitting around from around 2am (SW home) until leaving for work around 5am. What the heck would he have been doing if he killed her right when she got home?
I am starting to think she crashed on the sofa... and he wiped everyone out closer to 5am... but still pondering.

Perhaps he wanted to wait until at least 5 to leave so it didn't look unusual to neighbors? And I think he thought he would have a lot more time to clean up. I mean Nickole had just dropped her off at 2, I would be thinking, oh Nickole won't notice if she hasn't contacted her because she's probably resting since she's pregnant and got in so late.

 

[ray9898]

There are way too many unsubstantiated claims that are being treated as facts, here and elsewhere.

And then those claims are being extrapolated into theories and we go off on wild tangent.

No kidding. There are some people with creative imaginations on here. Funniest are the ones who create an entire scenario of what happened that includes dialog from both sides.

 

[Medstudies]

Energy Pipeline: Denver company works to make oil field travel safer with real-time monitoring

I cannot say this is the case for all Anadarko vehicles ( CW’s vehicle) but note the mention of real time monitoring of their vehicles.


Snip:
Officials at Anadarko have had a similar experience.

"All of our vehicles in the DJ (Basin) are equipped with Cartasite tracking," said Korby Bracken, the environmental health and safety director for the Anadarko Petroleum. "It is used to help us in a couple of notable aspects."

One example is dispatching operations personnel to locations. "We utilize an Integrated Operations Center to monitor the basin," Bracken said. "Should we have a well that needs immediate attention, we can dispatch the closest operator, identified by Cartasite, to that location to minimize response time.

Another example is speeding. "We set up fences around the basin that have speed limits attached," he added. "These speed limits can be the posted limit or one set by the management team to increase driving awareness. We have done this outside of the DJ where animal strikes are elevated.

A third example is during bad weather or natural disaster.

"We utilized it during last year's flood to locate our operators and provide them routes to get home once roads started closing," Bracken said. "Also, we were able to locate individuals to make sure they were safe and out of the floodplain.

"I don't have any data specifically — we just know it works and we appreciate the service."

Quoting myself. Decided to look at this a little more. Anadarko uses Cartasite tracking. ROVR & ROVR SL: Decrease Fleet Management Costs | Cartasite

Note : it states Anadarko installed ROVR on their entire fleet.

Real time locations, speeds, etc...

MOO- on why he was fired and getting back home after NUA call:

1) The ROVR tracked him to the CERVI site - and he had not beeen dispatched to it.

2) he stated he blew through traffic lights. Cartasite states ROVR is enabled to control vehicles to posted speed limits. The only way for CW to get home quicker was to ignore stop lights.

Anadarko didn’t invest in this technology for fun. I’m pretty sure his vehicle was setting off all kinds of alarms.

 

[Jennifer17]

yes, it does, because not all crude oil is 'dirty; and 'black'.

So some crude oil is clean and not black? Do tell.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

BUT she couldn't have left without her/their stuff.

If SW and the girls were kidnapped all of their things would have been left behind...

Are we certain there is no gate in the back yard??

Just my opinions and musings...

 

[gitana1]

But if he killed her shortly after she arrived home... it still gives him at least 2 hours of sitting there doing nothing as far as I can tell.

Maybe he made a 'move' on her some time later, she declined (for probably many reasons we now see)
and it started then.
I am still conflicted about the timing of when he killed everyone. Maybe 4am WAS a turning point or time of death. That would better explain the lack of him doing anything to cover up what happened... except loading them into the truck. I am a little stumped on that.

Oh I see what you mean. That's a good point. You could be right.

However if he killed her at two I'm sure he wasn't just sitting there for hours doing nothing? He was probably trying to figure out where to put the bodies (maybe he had a different plan at first with more time). And he probably was trying to clean things up - maybe online searches, anything that could've shown a struggle. We don't know what the house looked like and what he had to deal with after the killings.

Also if he knew about the cameras across the street he might have had to wait until morning so it wouldn't look weird that he took of at 3:00 am the day his family disappeared.

 

[gitana1]

So some crude oil is clean and not black? Do tell.

It apparently ranges from black to yellow.

But I don't think that bears on his choice of burial and what it says about his character and feelings for the girls.

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes. Especially considering how that's common for people who actually are innocent and suffering a loss. They don't want to talk.

But let's not give any future murderers any ideas!!!

We're not giving any ideas to murderers, I'm not worried about that.

A father with a missing wife and children would want to use the media to plead for their safe return. If he was too distraught to talk at that point, it would stand out as strange. Why distraught? It could be that his wife simply went a friend's house and in anger didn't tell her husband. No reason to be so distraught at that point that you couldn't publicly ask for assistance in finding loved ones. The public would expect a display of being concerned and also being hopeful and forgiving and welcoming and confused and scared....hard to pull all of those emotions if at the same time you're covering the feeling of guilt. Almost impossible, actually, as we've seen in this case and others.

jmo

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

Quoting myself. Decided to look at this a little more. Anadarko uses Cartasite tracking. ROVR & ROVR SL: Decrease Fleet Management Costs | Cartasite

Note : it states Anadarko installed ROVR on their entire fleet.

Real time locations, speeds, etc...

MOO- on why he was fired and getting back home after NUA call:

1) The ROVR tracked him to the CERVI site - and he had not beeen dispatched to it.

2) he stated he blew through traffic lights. Cartasite states ROVR is enabled to control vehicles to posted speed limits. The only way for CW to get home quicker was to ignore stop lights.

Anadarko didn’t invest in this technology for fun. I’m pretty sure his vehicle was setting off all kinds of alarms.

And I am sure someone at Andarko was alerted to the odd route. And when LE called...
That is why the drone knew where to fly. They followed the route of CW Monday morning.

That type of tracking software is how the furniture delivery truck can call/ text you they’ll be at your house in 17 minutes. Real time tracking in real time traffic.

 

[kkdj]

BUT she couldn't have left without her/their stuff.

I don't think he had time to get rid of some of their stuff yet but I'll bet that was in his plan. The police just got called way too soon for him.

 

[Jennifer17]

It apparently ranges from black to yellow.

But I don't think that bears on his choice of burial and what it says about his character and feelings for the girls.

It must be a comfort to the people who loved those little girls that he chose a higher grade of crude oil to dump them in. If he did.

 

[Medstudies]

Just rambling off my previous post on the satellite tracking Anadarko uses on their fleet of vehicles: I wouldn’t be surprised if every trip he’s made in that truck could be found- trips to meet AP’s?

Granted, he is not on trial for cheating, but it could still provide insight into his double life.

Time will tell.

 

[gitana1]

If SW and the girls were kidnapped all of their things would have been left behind...

Are we certain there is no gate in the back yard??

Just my opinions and musings...

Good point! Also, many people have left all their belongings when they've taken off. Like Madeline Jones when she kidnapped her son.

But yeah, he might have planned to stage a kidnapping.

But I see the issue. If the flight delayed his plans, what was he going to do? Be on camera driving their bodies somewhere earlier? What time was the flight initially schedule for? 10?

If he killed her when she got home, because the girls were already dead, but then didn't leave for three hours, then what caused such sloppiness?

Was it panic? Was massacring his family more horrible and intense than he thought? Was he unable to think as straight as he should afterwards? I don't know. Dgfred makes some very good points.

 

[JudgeJudi]

The thing is, CW is not going to be able to make an arguable case that SW strangled the children unless he testifies. The jury would want to hear his explanation from his own lips. And he would be awful on cross examination.

I think his defense attorneys need to steer the case away from any defense that would require the client to testify. Ultimately, it is up to the defendant, not the attorneys, whether or not to testify in his own defense. But they would need to warn him of the dangers of testifying----that most criminal defendants who testify come out looking worse (i.e., more guilty) than if they had not testified at all. IMO. Especially after you put your babies in oil tanks.

I agree. However he's caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He's the only one who can attempt to explain to a jury what happened, especially as he's blaming SW. Unless there's a 'rogue' juror, I can't see how any jury would find him innocent after placing his babies in those tanks. If anything, a normal human being would want a beautiful funeral. Instead, he said he "dumped the girls inside". Dumped!!! Like some garbage. No words.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

Oh I see what you mean. That's a good point. You could be right.

However if he killed her at two I'm sure he wasn't just sitting there for hours doing nothing? He was probably trying to figure out where to put the bodies (maybe he had a different plan at first with more time). And he probably was trying to clean things up - maybe online searches, anything that could've shown a struggle. We don't know what the house looked like and what he had to deal with after the killings.

Also if he knew about the cameras across the street he might have had to wait until morning so it wouldn't look weird that he took of at 3:00 am the day his family disappeared.

Maybe there is rental car somewhere within running distance of the Watts residence just sitting... did anyone check to see if CW rented a car in the last month??

JMO

 

[Deleted member 182072]

Ross probably did not plan to kill the child, but simply, nude photos of an underage girl were of a higher priority than own kid strapped to the carseat in hot weather. It would be more like a teenager who forgets to feed his cat for days because he is busy playing computer games. He may even hear the cat meowing but in his mind, the game is of a higher priority. It represents extreme neglect of an obsessed person...."

SBM

Ross Harris didn't simply forget Cooper. He remembered everything else in great detail, even other customers inside the Chick-fil-A from that morning. What he chose to forget (or rather lied about) were things like who normally dropped his son off at daycare, who dropped Cooper off the morning before, his trip to Home Depot to buy light bulbs, his lunchtime car visit, his phone passcode, etc.

If CW's phone records are mostly retrievable, perhaps we'll even see texts similar to this:
Minute-by-minute updates in the Justin Ross Harris murder trial (Oct. 24)

"Harris tells one he is addicted to sex. He tells another he "hates being married sometimes, too." He tells another he misses being single. He tells another that "my wife should divorce me." He tells another "sometimes I want to be unmarried." He tells another, on May 19, 2014, "Wish I was single." That was a month before Cooper's death. He tells another, on May 23, "I settled down. Kinda regret it." He tells another on May 28, "I'm a bit miserable, too . . . No sex (in my relationship). You?" He tells another, on March 14, "I'm tired of living with my wife sometimes, lol." He tells another in January 2014, "I miss being single. ... I just want to (expletive) a lot of girls, drink a lot and have fun." He tells another in February, "You don't need a baby. It's not easy, and expensive. . . . I love my son, but that joker drains my paycheck." He tells another, in February 2014, "I have sex with strangers to block out a lot of my pain. ... I like it with strangers." He tells another "I have a sex addiction I've acted on. I kind of regret that."​

At CW's trial maybe we'll find out also that CW watched a video about how long it takes strangulation to kill someone just a few days before he murdered his family, just like RH watched that hot car video. Maybe CW even researched divorce just like RH did before he chose to murder. We'll see

 

[gitana1]

If SW and the girls were kidnapped all of their things would have been left behind...

Are we certain there is no gate in the back yard??

Just my opinions and musings...

I don't know. But he did talk about the back yard when he was I terviewed and how maybe someone took them out that way or they went out that way and how a road butts up to the back of the house.

Problem is there was no way out except the garage because everything was locked from the inside. He forgot that part.

 

[Medstudies]

And I am sure someone at Andarko was alerted to the odd route. And when LE called...
That is why the drone knew where to fly. They followed the route of CW Monday morning.

That type of tracking software is how the furniture delivery truck can call/ text you they’ll be at your house in 17 minutes. Real time tracking in real time traffic.

Reminds me, I had a delivery in the summer. I had the customary call “we will arrive in 20 minutes”. I got a text 5 minutes later with their actual location and a “we are advised there is a train stopped on the current route. we have been rerouted, we will arrive in 35 minutes.”

 

[gitana1]

...

Damn.

 

[ray9898]

Rigor Mortis would have set in and the body would be completely stiff, not much can be done except bury them, they can't be manoeuvred or carried any distance.
Even if the body could fit, it would be impossible after Rigor, it will become completely stiff within 4 hours.
This would apply to the little ones too and could be one of the factors determining when they died. I'm hoping the crude oil didn't effect this process and forensics can nail the time of death accurately.

If CW didn't know about Rigor Mortis, he does now.


Rigor normally appears within the body around two hours after the deceased has passed away.
Once the contracting of all the body's muscles has taken place this state of Rigor - technically referred to as the Rigid Stage - normally lasts anything from eight to twelve hours after which time the body is completely stiff; this fixed state lasts for up to another eighteen hours.
Contrary to common perception the process of Rigor Mortis actually does reverse and the body returns to a flaccid state; the muscles losing their tightness in the reverse of how they gained it: i.e.: those larger muscles that contracted last will lose their stiffness first and return to their pre-Rigor condition.

Rigor Mortis is a good means of indicating time of death as is normally visible within the first thirty-six to forty-eight hours after death; after which it leaves the body.

Rigor Mortis and Lividity

While that has some info it leaves out some very important details. While rigor may start in 2 hours it can take as long as 6 hours to start. In either case it always starts with the small muscles and slowly works it way to the large muscles over the next 4-6 hours which are responsible for most of the overall stiffness. A general rule is the body reaches maximum stiffness around 12 + hours after death.

He could have easily handled these bodies 2 or even 4 hours after death with little impact from it.